Pediatricians say no e-cigs

[SquirrilahFish]

(per)version of the truth, all those people that died over the years so we could be free, if they could only see the outcome! we would probally all be speaking french, you two Canada!
It breaks my heart on so many levels, so hard to be patriotic at times lke these

 

[LadyDivine]

This may be just me but... I think every store that sells condoms needs to sell e-cigs. Something that I haven't heard spoken about much is the way e-cigs could potentially keep someone from STARTING smoking. Now, if you think about this...if someone decides they want to start smoking, let's face it, they're going to start. Say for instance the e-cig was just as available as the real thing... well then, they would have a choice. Choose the death stick with all these horrible side effects OR... the e-cig which has almost no drawbacks and don't have to be addicting. What would you choose?

 

[MrKai]

This may be just me but... I think every store that sells condoms needs to sell e-cigs.

The problem is many proponents of e-Cigs want the whole ball of wax from Day Zero and wax nostalgic for a world we no longer live in; the proven course of action for social acceptance is 1. time and 2. the proverbial olive branch. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the "well, if you must" approach works well and (relatively) quickly if it is approached with *tempered radicalism* mixed with contrition:

"Smoking is a known health hazard and the best way to avoid these health dangers is abstinence...and if you are smoking cigarettes quitting now is your best option, but if you must smoke, use an 'electronic cigarette' or 'personal vaporizer'"

This wording should be very, very familiar. It has been used many times for other things and it works.

I want to do things and persue avenues that are known to work to sway public opinion and get what we want: a smoke-free, vaptatious* lifestyle.

How 'bout you?

-K

*or snus-tastic one, if that is how you roll, like say TropicalBob et al. It's all good

 

[Data4]

General ranty, somewhat obvious statement follows...

It's not about health. It's not about safety. It's about control, period. The idiots running the government want to control the behavior of the people. For some reason, the act of putting a cylindrical object to the lips, drawing in, and exhaling a smoke-like substance is offensive to these people. Remove the smell, toxins, and overall danger, and the act is still deplorable. Worse, the propaganda espoused by these people has brainwashed the masses of dumbasses into kneejerk reactions. Case in point: I was vaping outside a store the other day, in an area reserved for smokers. There was no one smoking there at the time. As I happily puffed on my 510, this jackass with his nose ten feet in the air walks by and puts on an Oscar-worthy coughing fit while shooting me a dirty look. I returned the dirty look and proceeded to press the blue LED against my eyelid, while mimicking the sound of sizzling flesh. I wanted to repeatedly hit him as hard as I could, but good manners and a desire to not be charged with assault stayed my hand.

The world is going to ****.

/end rant.

 

[sherid]

General ranty, somewhat obvious statement follows...

It's not about health. It's not about safety. It's about control, period. The idiots running the government want to control the behavior of the people. For some reason, the act of putting a cylindrical object to the lips, drawing in, and exhaling a smoke-like substance is offensive to these people. Remove the smell, toxins, and overall danger, and the act is still deplorable. Worse, the propaganda espoused by these people has brainwashed the masses of dumbasses into kneejerk reactions. Case in point: I was vaping outside a store the other day, in an area reserved for smokers. There was no one smoking there at the time. As I happily puffed on my 510, this jackass with his nose ten feet in the air walks by and puts on an Oscar-worthy coughing fit while shooting me a dirty look. I returned the dirty look and proceeded to press the blue LED against my eyelid, while mimicking the sound of sizzling flesh. I wanted to repeatedly hit him as hard as I could, but good manners and a desire to not be charged with assault stayed my hand.

The world is going to ****.

/end rant.

You are so right. The fake cough is especially obnoxious. I applaud your reaction to it.

 

[MaDPimP]

Interesting article. I understand the point of view of this but still. I would love to know the basis of evidence they used to include Ecigs in this matter.

Probably the same evidence they used against candy cigs, flavored cigarettes (except menthol of course) and cigars which is bull****, unproven, and wildly exagerated claims that have been trumped up by the FDA and ASHhats over at ASH and other anti-smoking groups which has been disproven time and time again....

Ya know life was almost easier when i still smoked... at least then i could get satisfaction off blowing hits of foul smelling smoke in their faces.... now i get nothing but an avalanche of BS for quiting succesfully... and even if we made ... flavored juice it disapitates so damn fast i wouldnt even get the same satisfaction of tormenting them with it..... oh well f' em im going to keep vaping whether baby docs want me to or not.

On a side not, what kind of child who is still seing a pediatrician can pony up the $60 some odd dollars to buy an e-cig? I remember when i was happy to have like $5....

 

[MaDPimP]

Case in point: I was vaping outside a store the other day, in an area reserved for smokers. There was no one smoking there at the time. As I happily puffed on my 510, this jackass with his nose ten feet in the air walks by and puts on an Oscar-worthy coughing fit while shooting me a dirty look. I returned the dirty look and proceeded to press the blue LED against my eyelid, while mimicking the sound of sizzling flesh. I wanted to repeatedly hit him as hard as I could, but good manners and a desire to not be charged with assault stayed my hand.

The world is going to ****.

/end rant.

ROFLMFAO!!!!! you should have kicked his shin to let him know you were hardcore and meant business lol

 

[JustMeAgain]

I returned the dirty look and proceeded to press the blue LED against my eyelid, while mimicking the sound of sizzling flesh.

OMG that is hilarious. I so want a chance to do that.

<<< goes off to practice in the mirror and work on sizzling sounds. Considers throwing in some gagging sounds to add to effect.

Speaking of cigarettes in pharmacies, exactly when did it become ok to tell a store owner what they can or cannot sell there? Obviously if it's alcohol, they have to have a liquor license, but it wasn't so long ago that the owner of a store decided what to sell, I'm not sure when this came about, I guess I missed the memo, but now it's like ppl talk about these new 'rules' like it's an accepted fact, which I guess is what I just realized.

Next up: Convenience stores can't sell alcohol b/c there's gas sold there, and it could leave to drinking and driving.

 

[Vocalek]

At the bottom of the story, you can click on a group of stars to rate the story. There are two categories, Patient/Public and Health Professional. This story linked to from the original post got 3.5 stars from Patient/Public and 5 stars from Health Professionals. Contrast with this other story, where the ratings are just about reversed:

How Cigarettes Calm You Down

Oh, to see the current results, you have to click on one of the stars. I clicked 1 star for the first story and 5 for this last one.

 

[deewal]

These type of groups, American Academy of Pediatrics and all the rest of them have GOT to keep coming out with New Crusades or they lose the Grants and Funding which keeps them in jobs.
Times are getting hard out there so find a Cause fast if you want to keep your job. Kid's and Health are always good for Headlines. They don't give a toss for them really. As long as they've got a job they'll spew out any crap. I truly am begining to Hate these hypocritical self seeking .......s.
I was bought up to believe you Americans just Shot people you don't like.
When are people gonna Stand Up and say Enough ?
Where's John Wayne gone ?
We are getting closer and closer to a Dictatorship here in Britain and your close behind. Best to fight and die than to go out with a whimper. At least take One of the .......s with you.

 

[lemoyneiv]

Next up: Convenience stores can't sell alcohol b/c there's gas sold there, and it could leave to drinking and driving.

There are already states that do this. Ever looked at Pennsylvania's liquor laws?

 

[misterME]

There are already states that do this. Ever looked at Pennsylvania's liquor laws?

Heh...Contrast that with states here in the south where you can buy your liquor at a drive-thru--yes, I said it, a drive-thru. If that doesn't promote drinking and driving, I don't know what does...

 

[OutWest]

Yep. Some of those drive thrus even serve mixed drinks in a cup, but it has a lid on it so that it's not technically an open container.

 

[jigtg]

It says "The term “tobacco” includes all smoked and smokeless forms." in their policy statement. Lovely how vague that is. They forgot to mention that cigarettes should be banned as well.

 

[Mist_Of_Joye]

Sounds like a "communique" issued by Goebles himself...Lol. Was Hitler in the meeting too?

 

[Angela]

Has anyone considered the possibility that the reason that PVs are getting such a knee-jerk anti reaction from some quarters is simply because it is so much safer than smoking?

A bit like the war that raged for years against contraceptives being easily available (ie if sex is made 'safe' then those who wouldn't have prevously indulged would become rampant!)

 

[rothenbj]

This is a pretty radical proposal. Last paragraph nails e-cigs.http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/167985.php

I believe it's about time to also seal up those cozy fireplaces that so many homes use, whether or not the children are there.

http://reliableanswers.com/seasonal/burning_wood.asp

Burning wood may be humanity's oldest way of generating heat — and in the home it definitely creates a nice ambience. But it has its downside. According to the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection, wood smoke "contains toxic carbon monoxide, smog-causing nitrogen oxides, soot, fine particles, and a range of other chemicals and gases that can cause or worsen serious health problems, particularly among children, pregnant women, and people with breathing difficulties."
The Children's Health Environmental Coalition (CHEC) concurs, citing a raft of studies that show how children living in wood-burning households experience "higher rates of lung inflammation, breathing difficulties, pneumonia, and other respiratory diseases."

Of course, this position is often quoted by the pellet stove industry. I'm not sure how much safer these may be if brought up under the scrutiny of our government. After all, they are made from the same material as firewood. At least with E-cigs, the 6000 add ins and tar are removed and the known carcinogens are drastically reduced.

 

[rothenbj]

They don't want you to replace cigs with anything. They don't want anyone using any cig -- e or otherwise. It's quit or die for these hard-cores. For these folks, they don't want any child to ever start down Tobacco Road. We did. Our bad. The road is coming to a dead end.

I think it's time for us all to quit...... Just so we won't die. I wish I were like those good folks that aren't going to. I just haven't met one yet.

 

[rothenbj]

Maybe all of the tobacco farmers can switch to the other smokeable leafy plant which seems to get less restricted day to day and is becoming more accepted by the medical community for treatment of all kinds of maladies. Not that it would treat my malady. Think I'll get banned for hinting at *it*? I'm speaking strictly of medically approved usage.

That wouldn't be wise since smoking the weed has some of the same ramifications as smoking cigs.

What are the long-term dangers of smoking marijuana?

• Studies shows that the potential chemical –THC, present in marijuana adversely affect human brain and mental health.
• Regular use of marijuana shows the same respiratory problems as cigarette smoking. Persistent coughing, symptoms of bronchitis and more frequent chest colds are possible symptoms.
• Studies shows that long-term use of marijuana suppresses the production of hormones that help regulate the reproductive system both in men and women.
• Highly increases the risk of heart attack in regular users.
• Smoking marijuana on regular basis increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck.
• It has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because of the various carcinogens present in it.
• It may badly affect the immune system’s ability to fight disease.
• Chronic marijuana use causes high levels of depression, anxiety.

The above quoted from Dangers of Smoking Marijuana

Surprised the ATF hasn't invaded Cali yet.

 

[TropicalBob]

There might be something to that. IF -- and it's a big if as far as I'm concerned -- e-cigs really catch on, and begin replacing tobacco cigarette smoking, then the anti's will go crazy. The perception alone will drive them nuts. They do not want to look out over a grassy park playground and see people sucking in and exhaling vapor or smoke. Period. There is no compromise for perceptions.

So even if the e-cig is proven "safer", it will never be home free for widespread use in public. It will forever be tied to addiction, and the negatives that creates in people's minds. The pendulum swung on nicotine addiction -- and it's not acceptable now in the way it was when I was younger. Today, cigs, cigars, pipes and chew are decidedly un-cool, thanks to decades of pounding propaganda.

How do you know a person is using nicotine gum? You don't. Wearing a patch? You don't. Smoking a real or vaporizing product? Easy and unacceptable to those who are ganging up on e-cigarettes. Public use bans are going to become common everywhere.

E-smoking will be regulated into either illegality or invisibility. I prefer the latter.