Penelope V2
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ribbon wires are mine and version 2 wires are vasillis wires somo. Also, version 2 wires are the ones without the insulation around the R wire when the version 1 had insulation
Woot woot!....
I am still twisting my nr-r-nr wires together, out of all the stuff I've bought and I still haven't bought a wire welder yet.... Need to get one ASAP!
I need to work on the knot people use... What is it called? Shepards knot or something?.... I hate twisting!
I am still twisting my nr-r-nr wires together, out of all the stuff I've bought and I still haven't bought a wire welder yet.... Need to get one ASAP!
I need to work on the knot people use... What is it called? Shepards knot or something?.... I hate twisting!
my silver wire always always snaps when knotting, so I'm still twisting. Building my own welder though. Parts are cheap and building is fun! Not done yet though.
I just got 50 pre-made wires from ebay (UK)
Should keep me going a while, if they are okay. Supposed to have been made for the Ithaka
But I have a few old redundant flash guns, so fancy making a zapper, for ribbon coils
Should keep me going a while, if they are okay. Supposed to have been made for the Ithaka
But I have a few old redundant flash guns, so fancy making a zapper, for ribbon coils
Any photos on the engravings on Penelope v2?
Still pondering whether to match my GGTB or Proteus ???
either one i'm still short of 2 atty for them.....damn should have brought 2 instead of one
Still pondering whether to match my GGTB or Proteus ???
either one i'm still short of 2 atty for them.....damn should have brought 2 instead of one
if you are quick enough then you can buy one when the stock hits my sellers's sites mit
You mentioned production this run will be 1200 Penelope V2's. Do you expect to make a 2nd run?
We cant really make a second run xtreme because copiers will copy it before my second run. Same happened with Ithaka and I still have stock of it. Not big but enough to prevent me of making new GG things
we really need a way to stop the copiers D4. Only forums can do something about it. These copiers are known because of forums. If they cant reach forums then they cant sell to anyone.
True copiers can't be stopped.
If forums block reading to only members, they will register and get to the threads. This is a reality that in life today. If you further need approval by someone to get to a specific area, nobody who approves will know if they are copiers or not. And even the "vouch" system isn't fool proof. I know of at least one member who has taken their mod and shipped it to a "company" to assist with cloning. It's not a secret as it was discussed elsewhere. I also know another that used knowledge to receive additional parts. How do you stop a leak from entering your house when it's already in your house?
One thing I will admit is if all modders went on "strike" and took a year off, TRUE copiers would stop. Those people are not innovative. They do not do research and development. They take one, measure and make a copy true down to the engraving.
As long as there are those that want something similar, and don't care if it's authentic, and don't want to spend the full amount, true copiers will exist.
If forums block reading to only members, they will register and get to the threads. This is a reality that in life today. If you further need approval by someone to get to a specific area, nobody who approves will know if they are copiers or not. And even the "vouch" system isn't fool proof. I know of at least one member who has taken their mod and shipped it to a "company" to assist with cloning. It's not a secret as it was discussed elsewhere. I also know another that used knowledge to receive additional parts. How do you stop a leak from entering your house when it's already in your house?
One thing I will admit is if all modders went on "strike" and took a year off, TRUE copiers would stop. Those people are not innovative. They do not do research and development. They take one, measure and make a copy true down to the engraving.
As long as there are those that want something similar, and don't care if it's authentic, and don't want to spend the full amount, true copiers will exist.
I agree Imeo but I think it's hard to do it that way, however I think modders should build their devices somehow so that the clone will perform less than half as good as the original so less people will buy them. I don't know how that could be done, perhaps have unique part/s that only you can make or a one piece PV which the electronics cannot be cloned. Taking the provari as an example, there are similar devices made in China but there is none that comes close to it's performance
Edit: I agree with Yankee too, even if there is a system for vouching and it does work cloners will offer 10x the price in the classifieds for the original.
Also I like the 'strike' idea, would be interesting to see what would happen, maybe a year would be a bit long though
Edit: I agree with Yankee too, even if there is a system for vouching and it does work cloners will offer 10x the price in the classifieds for the original.
Also I like the 'strike' idea, would be interesting to see what would happen, maybe a year would be a bit long though
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Only if the design will go mass production under modder supervise,let say 100,000 units,
Then it can reach price point that won't leave room for cloners.
If let say some big corp work with the modder and hit the market with new design
And big stock levels this will be affective.
Cloners cannot effectively copied Audi or Coca-cola or 3m or any other big numbers corp'.(effectively)
What happen with copiers of Provari is if they made it low cost it was not perform the same,
If they made it almost the same quality then the price will not be far from a genuine Provari,
So people will prefer the original.
Price point is the most effective key to eliminate cloners.
The small modders are like artist,it will always be profitable to clone them.
Just Look at known painters or the like,all of them are copied to this days.
No small high end modder can be safe because there is room enough for profits to cloners.
So a modder like artist will have the heart of is loyalist but the mass is out of reach.
On the other hand we know that if a modder will work with big corp' they won't agree to
Make all he wants because of economy considerations so in the end of day I say we are lucky
Of this situation,in a way:
We get (those that can afford to buy art designs) the best design with no limitation,
In a price we can pay,and yes the cloners have room to make a profits,and others to buy clone.
The way I prefer to look on this is from the full half of the glass.
We still have Imeo and we can support him and enjoy his designs.
The alternative is that he will consult big corp' that will cut some of the features of the device
For money reasons,and we get less feature in our device,is that better???
We had big tobaco company that cloners could not clone,so what?
Did day give us better designs??? You all know the answer.
I personally found this situation best of the alternatives as I see them for know.
Small modders try always to make something better because of cloners that clone them.
It can be worse.
So I better be happy with what I have then be angry because of what I could have.
Then it can reach price point that won't leave room for cloners.
If let say some big corp work with the modder and hit the market with new design
And big stock levels this will be affective.
Cloners cannot effectively copied Audi or Coca-cola or 3m or any other big numbers corp'.(effectively)
What happen with copiers of Provari is if they made it low cost it was not perform the same,
If they made it almost the same quality then the price will not be far from a genuine Provari,
So people will prefer the original.
Price point is the most effective key to eliminate cloners.
The small modders are like artist,it will always be profitable to clone them.
Just Look at known painters or the like,all of them are copied to this days.
No small high end modder can be safe because there is room enough for profits to cloners.
So a modder like artist will have the heart of is loyalist but the mass is out of reach.
On the other hand we know that if a modder will work with big corp' they won't agree to
Make all he wants because of economy considerations so in the end of day I say we are lucky
Of this situation,in a way:
We get (those that can afford to buy art designs) the best design with no limitation,
In a price we can pay,and yes the cloners have room to make a profits,and others to buy clone.
The way I prefer to look on this is from the full half of the glass.
We still have Imeo and we can support him and enjoy his designs.
The alternative is that he will consult big corp' that will cut some of the features of the device
For money reasons,and we get less feature in our device,is that better???
We had big tobaco company that cloners could not clone,so what?
Did day give us better designs??? You all know the answer.
I personally found this situation best of the alternatives as I see them for know.
Small modders try always to make something better because of cloners that clone them.
It can be worse.
So I better be happy with what I have then be angry because of what I could have.
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