Perhaps, A Better Way

[sailorman]

.... It's like those veteran vapers who now want to vape in restaurants because what they're doing is fantastic. They're not polluting the air. Even though they never smoked in restaurants all their lives. Hehe...

Some of us "veterans" are old enough that we do indeed remember when it was acceptable to smoke in restaurants. Some of us remember when we weren't even relegated to "smoking sections" in restaurants. Hehe...

If we veteran vapers want to vape in a restaurant, it's got nothing to do with whether it's "fantastic" or not. Hehe....

I, for one, have had no problem with vaping in restaurants, although I don't insist on it and don't care for crowded restaurants where the chances of someone objecting are highest. Once asked, the personnel have never objected. Bars that prohibit smoking have never objected either and some people don't remember ever smoking in a bar. Hehe...

If the day ever comes when it's no big deal to vape in a restaurant, you can thank us veterans for not stigmatizing vaping by sneaking around, hanging in the alley with the smokers, vaping in smoking areas or otherwise acting like we're smoking or doing something wrong. Hehe...

 

[pumasforpets]

Cheap 650mah eGo starter with a handful of pre-filled cartos. Costs less than a carton of smokes. If you're too stupid to use a kit that simple, you're already brain damaged from smoking and it's too late for you anyway. And I don't want to hear this "gotta look like a cigarette" nonsense. That's a myth Blu and the slick marketers have embedded in peoples' minds to sell their junk. It's like saying motorcycles have to look like bicycles or no new motorcyclist will try one.

I'm actually working on something of that nature to sell to friends/family in small numbers with a little instruction booklet. I'm wanting to make it as simple as possible so I'm looking at 650mAh eGo with mega DCCs and a zipper case. They're simple to fill and use with great performance and low start-up cost. Just trying to get others into vaping without the trial and error I went through....as I look at the table full of pvs, batteries, cartos and juice of which most is now useless to me after only 2 months

The reason I thought disposable is that's what got me interested to begin with.

 

[andyman97]

Good idea andyman 97 - my recommendation, though it may be a little more work, is that instead of creating one 15 minute video you might break it up into a series (similar to what mistressnomad did). Not sure i could have sat through 15 minutes and swimming in so much information. Shorter 4-5 minute vids might be useful. Either way - looking forward to them.

To be honest, I think I can squeeze everything into 10 minutes. I don't want to do this as a huge project, more of a quick e-cigs 101. I'm not trying to throw out tons of information, really just basics. What is an 808, what is an ego, what is a mod? What is a 510, what is a 306, what is a tank, what is a carto, what batteries are safe, etc. etc.

 

[rem700]

I spent hours reading and even more time waiting for the forum to load so I could read so maybe a faster website would help.
I started with a ego kit recommended from someone on a non ecig forum and then found ECF but having used a ego I had a base to which I could compare likes and dislikes so I atleast knew which direction I needed to go inorder to find my happy spot. I think that the ego/kgo is a good starting point for newbs so they atleast have some idea in what direction they need to go.

 

[rem700]

Perhaps touching on battery mah like 100mah per hour average, And a avg 510 is 200mah vs a 650mah ego so about three times the usable vape time.

 

[sailorman]

If someone is content in their smoking habit and don't really want to quit, they won't quit until they were ready. Someone that I am friends with has tried my provari with several different flavors. She loved the taste. She loved the hit. There was nothing negative she had to say about it and seemed genuinely interested in picking up a kit for herself. At her request, I emailed her a few links to try them out and that was months ago. Today, she told me she wasn't really interested in quitting. I wasn't angry or upset. I feel for her for health's sake, but she's just as free to smoke cigarettes as I was when I didn't want to quit.

Bottom line, she knows smoking is bad for her. She knows this is much better for her. She knows she can trust my experience to help her make an informed decision. She is choosing not to do it because she simply doesn't want to put the effort that goes into it.

Right. And when she decides she wants to quit, she's not going to go buy some disposable piece of junk, I'd wager.

When I quit, I didn't really care that much one way or the other. I was content in my smoking habit. I only tried a PV out of curiosity and because I was a research junkie with too much idle time on my hands. But I quit the very same day I got my first PV. But at least it was a decent little 510 kit. There's no way I'd have continued vaping if, instead, I'd have gotten a gas station analog mimic. Nonetheless, that kit ended up costing me over $100 in the first <3 months and was really a ridiculous waste of money. Had someone steered me away from it and toward, for example, an eGo, I'd have been forever grateful. And I might have continued vaping that eGo to this day.

If someone is more determined to quit than I was, I suspect they are perfectly capable of finding a decent kit. The problem is, with all the garbage mini-cigs out there, they are brainwashed into thinking they are acceptable representations of what a PV is all about. They're bombarded by ads trying to convince them that the best e-cigarette "looks and tastes just like a traditional cigarette". This isn't a concept anyone would necessarily believe inherently. It's a concept foisted upon them by million dollar ad campaigns to sell cheap junk. People don't insist that their nicotine inhalers look like cigarettes. They don't insist or expect their nicorette gum to come in little cigarette packs like candy cigarettes.

The marketing weasels deliberately foist onto the public that the best e-cigarettes look like cigarettes. They mislead people right from the get-go in order to maximize their profits selling the cheapest junk they can get away with. That, and that alone is the reason most people start with analog mimics. And the cheap junk part is why 95% of them soon quit using that junk out of frustration with poor performance, or when they wake up and become aware of the alternatives. Of course by that time, the marketing weasels have already done their job.

 

[Bradder]

Gotcha andyman07- her first one was a bit longer with the type overview (101) you mention and it was, imo, great. She then had several short "break out" videos providing a little more detail on general sub-topics (510 series, 808 series, carts, cartos, etc.). Misunderstood your content, but it does sound as if it would be really valuable -- and still looking forward to seeing it and recommending it to newer people. Let us know how it goes.

 

[andyman97]

Perhaps touching on battery mah like 100mah per hour average, And a avg 510 is 200mah vs a 650mah ego so about three times the usable vape time.

Definitely plan to cover that. The issue with trying to cover vape time is that it is so subjective. There is no good way to predict how much time someone will get with a battery. My younger brother's 1100 mah kgo lasts him for days between charges. I get just shy of a day out of my IMR 1100 mah in a provari or with the kick. But I do intend to address it in general terms and how resistance can have an effect.

 

[andyman97]

Gotcha - her first one was a bit longer with the type overview (101) you mention and it was, imo, great. She then had several short "break out" videos providing a little more detail on general sub-topics (510 series, 801 series, carts, cartos, etc.). Misunderstood your content, but it does sound as if it would be really valuable -- and still looking forward to seeing it and recommending it to newer people. Let us know how it goes.

That's part of the problem, in my eyes. A lot of people don't want to watch 5-5 minute videos that are somewhat spread out. Too much information and too much detail will lose an audience. If you can be concise, to the point, quick and painless, you give someone an idea of what is involved. From there, the can look for what will suit them. If you show them an 808 starter kit, take a puff, explain that it has a low mah rating, doesn't last as long, requires frequent refills, but looks like a real cig, fits easily in the pocket, etc., etc., then you show them an ego and quickly go through pros and cons, then move on to mods and go through pros and cons. Then you quickly explain 510, 808, 901, ego battery connections and what is different about them, explain you have different adapters, etc. Then you move on to battery safety, so on and so forth. It doesn't have to be as complicated as it seems.

By moving quickly through information and only including absolutely basic and pertinent information, you give the audience a sample of what is out there so they can make an informed decision on what they can live with to start out, and research models, differences, more specifics. For example, rather than asking, what e-cig should I try, you already know what's good and bad about the different types, you can at least say, I've decided on this "type" and research what companies offer variants of that type. It makes sorting through the information much easier if you know you want an 808 or you know you want an ego or a VV or a VV ego.

Again, my intent isn't to turn everyone into scholars on PV's, just to give them a good start on what to look for.

 

[andyman97]

EDIT - Nevermind

 

[theWayISshut]

If the day ever comes when it's no big deal to vape in a restaurant, you can thank us veterans for not stigmatizing vaping by sneaking around, hanging in the alley with the smokers, vaping in smoking areas or otherwise acting like we're smoking or doing something wrong. Hehe...

Not me, bro. I'm in my third smoke-free month. On the fifth, vaping will be a thing of the past for me as well. See, I see toxic habits like smoking, drinking, doing drugs as personal problems. (I smoked for 9 years.) I don't feel the need to show the world that I no longer smoke. The world doesn't owe me anything. Fact that I'm able to even substitute a habit that is hazardous to my health to something safer at home or in the car, where the craving is strongest, is good enough for me. I'm thankful for it. It's great feeling that I no longer crave for toxic smokes that do damage to my lungs. That in itself my friend is fantastic! Hehe...

 

[damanel]

Ok so I am new to PV I have owned a blu vap kit that was 1stgen the 3 piece style I didn't really like it no throat hit and not enough vapor but my dad has now gotten the encore kit from our local smoke shop and since then I have been doing a lot of research and have been reading thread after thread and am now more confused then I was before I started delving into the world of PVs I would be very interested in more videos about the different vaps out there. there are so many different combinations that even with this site and the great info that the vet have given its still hard for me to even start to narrow down what would be a good starting point for me

and on another note the mentoring program or at least individuals who would be willing to give 1 on 1 advice is a great Idea even thou as said that most people usually don't find this site till "its to late" be then it is never to late to get more info on way to save money will bettering the quality of life for you and those around you. and if someone would be willing to help the few of us out there that do research before we get into something that could end up costing us a lot of money in the end it would be greatly appreciated by me and the many others who are willing to learn from those who have the knowledge and experience in things that to the unenlightened seem to be to much information for use to sift through that a lot of people just give up and stick with the easier analog way of smoking

and to end this long post I just want to say Thank you to all of you who have already taken so much of your time out of your life to post and try to help us all in trying to better our lives

 

[ancient11]

The thing about a best e-cig page is that the hardware changes so rapidly, it would take A LOT of manpower to keep it current. But.. it sounds like a great idea nonetheless. I would be in for something like that.

The hardware changes daily but the beginner's concept dose not and that concept is what needs to be addressed. The fact that he can buy the small ecigs for travel(which is where his mind is and it is hard for him to grasp the ego or provari) and then just pick up a $45.00 kgo for every day vape so he dosen't have to change cartomizers out so often and recharge batteries so often. He dosen't have to buy a Pravari, Buzz Pro, Inferno, Magma and (my favorite) Lava Tube like I did, in fact he should be cautioned to not to until he becomes well acquainted with the e-liquids and cartomizers .

 

[imsoenthused]

See, I see toxic habits like smoking, drinking, doing drugs as personal problems.

See, I see moralistic judgments of the choices others have made which have no impact on the person doing the judging as personal problems.

 

[ambition]

See, I see moralistic judgments of the choices others have made which have no impact on the person doing the judging as personal problems.

No judgement there. Lol.

Anyway, how did this get from helping noobs to vaping in restaurants?

 

[pumasforpets]

No judgement there. Lol.

Anyway, how did this get from helping noobs to vaping in restaurants?

Perhaps osmosis!

 

[sailorman]

Not me, bro. I'm in my third smoke-free month. On the fifth, vaping will be a thing of the past for me as well. See, I see toxic habits like smoking, drinking, doing drugs as personal problems. (I smoked for 9 years.) I don't feel the need to show the world that I no longer smoke. The world doesn't owe me anything. Fact that I'm able to even substitute a habit that is hazardous to my health to something safer at home or in the car, where the craving is strongest, is good enough for me. I'm thankful for it. It's great feeling that I no longer crave for toxic smokes that do damage to my lungs. That in itself my friend is fantastic! Hehe...

Well good on you. You got yours and that's good enough. I'm not unfamiliar with that mentality. Hehe...

And I understand how people with that mentality may think that vaping in public is no more than satisfying a narcissistic need to show the world you no longer smoke. After all, everything is all about you and what you want. So what other motive could possibly exist, right? Hehe...

Of course you'll be satisfied if everyone is relegated to hiding in their cars to vape, because it's good enough for you, and what works for you is the measure of the value of all things.. Hehe..

Thankful? To "it"? Try being thankful there are people who don't feel like you; people who attempt to ensure not only you, but others that will come long after you, can do what you did, even if those others don't care to or cannot do it exactly like you did it. Hehe...

Oh, but excuse me. I almost forgot. You have no interest or concern about that, because you got yours. And, after all, that's what life is all about and that's all that ever matters. Hehe....

Yes, there are more toxic personal problems than smoking, drinking, etc. Hehe...

And in the future, don't ever, ever refer to me as your "friend" or "Bro".

 

[go_player]

You have to have the balls to return things you don't want. Yeah, I would pay a lot to quit smoking. yeah, I will pay much less once i figure out I can get what I want for less.

 

[go_player]

sailorman: Chill. Yeah, of course some people who have had a hard time quitting in the past are happy that they are no longer smoking. Good for them. Let's just all be friends, bro.

Best
T

 

[sailorman]

The hardware changes daily but the beginner's concept dose not and that concept is what needs to be addressed. The fact that he can buy the small ecigs for travel(which is where his mind is and it is hard for him to grasp the ego or provari) and then just pick up a $45.00 kgo for every day vape so he dosen't have to change cartomizers out so often and recharge batteries so often. He dosen't have to buy a Pravari, Buzz Pro, Inferno, Magma and (my favorite) Lava Tube like I did, in fact he should be cautioned to not to until he becomes well acquainted with the e-liquids and cartomizers .

Hard to grasp the eGo? The Provari maybe, but the eGo? The beginners concept is what they heard in the media. Most of it is 100% wrong. Just because they're beginners doesn't mean they're stupid and need to have all their misperceptions pandered to. That's a patronizing attitude that does them a disservice and causes them to waste a lot of money and effort. Their mind has likely been told that a cartridge = a pack of cigarettes. Will you try to find some giant 5ml. carto because that's the concept they started with?

The same beginner that buys that $45 kgo is perfectly capable of grasping every thing he needs to know about it, and how to use it with basic cartomizers, within minutes.

If he has no specific need for a mini-ecig, why presume that one those will serve any of his needs whatsoever? Why complicate the issue with an e-cig that he's going to have to worry about charging every hour, carrying 5 batteries to survive a day away from a charger or a USB port.

Is it really that much harder for a newb to figure out which side of a carto to stick in his mouth if it doesn't look like a cigarette? I don't think so. Are newbs incapable of physically handling something the size of a Sharpie marker? How much has the basic eGo or it's technology changed? If mini-ecigs didn't exist, if they weren't an option, what role would that leave you with your "that's where his mind is" theory.

If I was a newb and my "mentor" encouraged me to get a mini-cig as my first e-cig because "that concept is in your newbie mind" or "That's where your mind is", I might be dumb enough to fall for it. But it wouldn't take long before I realized he was a patronizing idiot. People don't seek out advice in order to keep "where there mind is" where it is. That's not learning, that's affirmation. Teachers and mentors don't do affirmation. Salespeople do affirmation.