Obvious, but totally beside the point. There was an entire separate point that you evidently missed.
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Obvious, but totally beside the point. There was an entire separate point that you evidently missed.
Because theMindISshut decided to make snarky remarks ridiculing veterans by implying that they vape in restaurants, when they never smoked in them before, just because they think they can. It was a case of narcissistic projection, as repeated again in a later post after I reminded him that many of us veterans were smoking in restaurants when he was still in his Underoos. I think it was the "Hehe..." that set my teeth on edge.
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I'm sure you aren't laughing but this seriously has me cracking up. Hehe... lmao.
On a separate note, I have shot most of my video. One more piece to shoot then editing and publishing, should be finished soon. And yeah, it is going to be 25 minutes, give or take.
I came across these yesterday they seem decent but I am new so I don't I was wondering what you all think of them so I can recommend them to others DoctorVapor's Channel - YouTube
I am subscribed to Dr. Vapor, I like his videos. I also subscribed to GrimmGreen and Pbusardo. Mainly for their juice reviews. I know what's what with hardware but I like to get other peoples' take on different juices.
The main issue with just starting out witch pertains to your post, is that most people just starting out will most likely never jump in, and opt for the higher dollar and or confusing support options, for the higher dollar pv's. I spent $600 and I ended up with a $200 pv in the end. Add another $120 of that for supporting options. But as you can see, saving by jumping in on what I ended up with, would have been a lot better in the long run. If you asked someone in the beginning how much it cost would u rather have heard "under $50", or $350? Just some insight.
I went through 3 setups before I ended up with the provari. I started with an 808 kit which was about $70 and another $30 for more prefilled cartridges. Then I picked up an ego kit for $45 plus another $20 on extra cartos. Then I picked up a roughstack for $45 and 2 batteries for $20 plus a charger for $15. Then I got the provari. So, I spent $250 on things but not all of it was a waste. I have a kick in my roughstack now and I am using it regularly. All of my big batteries are still being used. So in actuality, I spent $165 in stuff that I won't likely use again.
A $165 learning curve so that I won't die from cigarettes was a worthwhile investment in my eyes...
Edit: hmmm weird. I can't recall seeing the last line of you post. The post below is based on not seeing it.
You make it sound like you wasted that $165 on stuff you wont use again?
I'm assuming that you didn't buy the roughstack and provari right away.
Here's my take...
I invested about 180 bucks to get started with an 808 kit with extra batts, a PCC, a passthrough and heaps of cartos and juice.
I would have spent $180 on analogs in about 2 weeks.
A couple of months later i started spending money on a provari, ultramax, a boxmod (el cheapo), and an eGo 650. All this over the course of 6 months (months 3-8).
I'm back using my 808's again but that's not the point of the story. What I have spent on mods and accessories and all that crap is still less than what I would have spent on analogs. So I didn't waste my money because I used them for long enough to realise a saving compared to analog smoking.
This is why I have no problem with the concept of buying whatever kit you think you'll actually use, gaining that much needed experience, and having much more information about your personal vaping preferences and style on which to base any upgrade decision.
The ultramax and the provari were essentially pushed on me as the ultimate answer before I knew enough to ask the right questions. Sure, I used them, meh. But I used them long enough to justify the cost so it didn't bother me to just gift them.
And it goes without saying that this is the reason why I think it's a bad idea to recommend high end kits to newbies. Not everyone likes high voltage vaping and not every agrees on which is the best mod. It's a very personal thing, just like selecting the perfect pillow for someone else. Good luck getting that right.
If you use the devices for long enough to justify the cost, and actually learn something, it's not a waste.
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Just my thoughts...........
I think that some newbies come to the forum with the idea that PVs are a magic bullet. A lot of them come in, don't bother to read any of the stickies or basic info. They say that 50.00 is all they ever want to spend on this thing and they want it to work flawlessly the first time without buying anything more, and inspite of not having even basic knowledge of the different parts of a setup. They don't care that they've been spending 300.00 or 400.00 a month before they ever heard of PVs. It must be cheap, it must let them quit smoking without any effort, and it must work forever. They want us to recommend the perfect kit for them.
That's not going to happen. PVs ARE a magic bullet, HOWEVER, you have to be willing to invest some time, effort, and money to make it work. Listen to the vets. They are trying to help you and save you money.
Veterans can't do everything for you. Make an effort, read the stickies, and read lots of threads. Watch You Tube, but please be selective in who you watch. Follow the recommendations of ECF members to find knowledgeable YT videos to watch. Not everyone on YT is knowledgeable, or has the best info on different PVs.
No, it won't all make sense to you right away. You have to persevere, read more, and listen. You didn't go in the first grade and come out with a college education. You have to put in the time and effort. It will be worth it and save you lots of money, time, and frustration in the long run.
This is the way things usually go..........
You will buy a slim ecig that for 90% of smokers will not satisfy them. It will cost you around 50.00, plus as many prefilled cartridges and extra batteries as you want to buy. You will have spent around 100.00 by now. You will be frustrated, and tempted to throw it out the window. However, it will give you a taste for vaping and show you that it is possible for you to quit smoking. The Volt is one of the best slim ecigs to start out with if that's the way you decide to go.
Next you will buy a Kgo, E-Power, or Ego and be happy for a time. It will cost you about 50.00 plus bits and pieces, and eliquid. Buy extra blank cartos and some eliquid. Start with a 80%PG/20%VG eliquid at either 12mg, 18mg, or 24mg. If the vendor does not tell you what the PG/VG percentage and nic mg is, go to another vendor. You will try lots of different eliquid until you find some you like. We can't help you with this as taste is subjective.
The most cost efficient way to start vaping is to start with the second option. You will want to try every carto, atty, and many other delivery systems. This will be expensive and may, or may not work for you. Stick with Boge single coil cartos until you have been vaping a couple of months so you will at least have a baseline to compare other things you might want to try later.
You may be very satisfied with the second option and never want to try any other PV. This is fine. It's a nice middle ground that works for a lot of people. At this point, you will only have to spend about 50.00 a month, probably less, on replacing disposable bits and pieces, and buying more eliquid.
Congratulations. All the hard work paid off, you are an ex-smoker, improving your health, and saving lots of money.
I think that some newbies come to the forum with the idea that PVs are a magic bullet. A lot of them come in, don't bother to read any of the stickies or basic info. They say that 50.00 is all they ever want to spend on this thing and they want it to work flawlessly the first time without buying anything more, and inspite of not having even basic knowledge of the different parts of a setup. They don't care that they've been spending 300.00 or 400.00 a month before they ever heard of PVs. It must be cheap, it must let them quit smoking without any effort, and it must work forever. They want us to recommend the perfect kit for them.
That's not going to happen. PVs ARE a magic bullet, HOWEVER, you have to be willing to invest some time, effort, and money to make it work. Listen to the vets. They are trying to help you and save you money.
Veterans can't do everything for you. Make an effort, read the stickies, and read lots of threads. Watch You Tube, but please be selective in who you watch. Follow the recommendations of ECF members to find knowledgeable YT videos to watch. Not everyone on YT is knowledgeable, or has the best info on different PVs.
No, it won't all make sense to you right away. You have to persevere, read more, and listen. You didn't go in the first grade and come out with a college education. You have to put in the time and effort. It will be worth it and save you lots of money, time, and frustration in the long run.
This is the way things usually go..........
You will buy a slim ecig that for 90% of smokers will not satisfy them. It will cost you around 50.00, plus as many prefilled cartridges and extra batteries as you want to buy. You will have spent around 100.00 by now. You will be frustrated, and tempted to throw it out the window. However, it will give you a taste for vaping and show you that it is possible for you to quit smoking. The Volt is one of the best slim ecigs to start out with if that's the way you decide to go.
Next you will buy a Kgo, E-Power, or Ego and be happy for a time. It will cost you about 50.00 plus bits and pieces, and eliquid. Buy extra blank cartos and some eliquid. Start with a 80%PG/20%VG eliquid at either 12mg, 18mg, or 24mg. If the vendor does not tell you what the PG/VG percentage and nic mg is, go to another vendor. You will try lots of different eliquid until you find some you like. We can't help you with this as taste is subjective.
The most cost efficient way to start vaping is to start with the second option. You will want to try every carto, atty, and many other delivery systems. This will be expensive and may, or may not work for you. Stick with Boge single coil cartos until you have been vaping a couple of months so you will at least have a baseline to compare other things you might want to try later.
You may be very satisfied with the second option and never want to try any other PV. This is fine. It's a nice middle ground that works for a lot of people. At this point, you will only have to spend about 50.00 a month, probably less, on replacing disposable bits and pieces, and buying more eliquid.
Congratulations. All the hard work paid off, you are an ex-smoker, improving your health, and saving lots of money.
If I would have bought the Provari first I would have been set except the extras. I thought the Provari would have been a at home only vape but I cant leave it here when I leave. So the other two mini's just sit in my collection box. I have tried to use them from time to time but its pointless now. Plus I just love the looks I get when I fill a restaurant with vapor.
I went with 21st century smoke first then on to the v-2. V-2 was only here for 18 days and I got my money back, but was still out of pocket for over $100 thanks to them. My dad bought v-2 and has stuck to it. He only bought a third battery. His collection of carts is nuts though, and instead of upgrading he is lowering his nic. I mix his juice and he actually had me mix one bottle of 0 nic on his last visit. Thats all good as long as he doesnt go back. He had a hart attack and 6 stints put in. He is only 51. Thats why I use ecigs.
I live in a small town and have helped to get about 15 people to switch permanently to e-cigs. I have found that there is for most people a necessary natural progression. When I first started giving away starter kits, A battery or two, a charger, some carto's and some e-liquid, I gave them either a 510 single battery DIY box mod or and ego. Believe it or not I had less success until I went and dug out my original kits of 510 style auto batteries. When I began to give those out people seemed to be able to naturally progress to a set up with a battery capable of lasting for hours longer - like an ego or tube/box mod. I basically act as a buffer for these folks and an information source until they decide to make the plunge. I am like the librarian of e-cigs with people checking in and checking out various types of e-cigs until they find what suites them. You were like me and bought mod after mod progressing up the mod food chain - perhaps you could try what I do for your friends and family that still smoke analogs.
Read the "stickies" follow the "advice". Do you really think the majority of people are going to participate or at the least read a forum like ECF?
Case in point a coworker heard me talking to a couple of others about my success in not smoking he immediately cornered me and I supplied him with an extra 5V Wow I had purchased at a vape meet. I sent him the link to ECF but his comment to me was "why reinvent the wheel?" Which to me meant he was leaving all the research to me and like an idiot I sent him all the addresses of my suppliers while I kept filling cartos for him.
Well, today he should have received all his supplies so we'll see how it goes. I'm glad he's cutting down on his "stinkies" but at the same time I guess I just feel like if I need to read and find out what's best why not him? ( at least we could both laugh about some of these threads)
I enjoy this forum and really it's the first where I have participated but let's face it some people are just not going to invest the time and effort.
I wish I was young again and knew all the answers.Hehe (that was the first and last time I will type those four letters in that order)
Guess I just feel grumpier than usual
Case in point a coworker heard me talking to a couple of others about my success in not smoking he immediately cornered me and I supplied him with an extra 5V Wow I had purchased at a vape meet. I sent him the link to ECF but his comment to me was "why reinvent the wheel?" Which to me meant he was leaving all the research to me and like an idiot I sent him all the addresses of my suppliers while I kept filling cartos for him.
Well, today he should have received all his supplies so we'll see how it goes. I'm glad he's cutting down on his "stinkies" but at the same time I guess I just feel like if I need to read and find out what's best why not him? ( at least we could both laugh about some of these threads)
I enjoy this forum and really it's the first where I have participated but let's face it some people are just not going to invest the time and effort.
I wish I was young again and knew all the answers.Hehe (that was the first and last time I will type those four letters in that order)
Guess I just feel grumpier than usual
I wouldn't call it a waste of money, again, that's money that got me off of cigarettes, well worth the expense. I bought everything in the sequence I described. Started with the 808, used that for a few weeks, picked up an ego, used that for awhile, then got the roughstack and some batteries about a month later, a month or so after that, I finally convinced my wife to let me get a provari.
But I definitely won't use the 808 or ego again unless I am stuck with no other option.
Exactly the point I made before. If it isn't important to you to figure out what is what, research, watch videos, ask questions, it obviously isn't that important to you. If you're seriously concerned about your health and genuinely want to give up the analogs, you will look further into it and take the time to learn and get onto a healthier alternative.
I'm a senior non-commissioned officer in the Army and have a lot of experience leading troops. If someone genuinely does not want to do something, you can NOT make them. Period. No point pulling your hair out over it. Accept it for what it is, let it roll off your back and move on to someone who wants and needs your help...
(EDIT: I want to clarify the paragraph above. I take my role as a leader seriously and this isn't to say that I don't provide my troops the leadership and support that I owe them but I will not neglect those who genuinely need my help in favor of a "problem" Soldier.)
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One must remember that each of us is different with a different mindset also. I first became acquainted with a smoke 51 ad and started to order one until I read the fine print and then went to google and got a result thaT I was shocked with. Perhaps i should not have been, but I was. At that point if anyone had told me that i needed something like an ego, I would have said yea just like I need a 50 caliber. But then, i hadn't yet had any time to do any research and was just starting well 5 min. into it.
Perhaps for some people you are correct but i certainly don't want to be driving around with something the size of the ego in my hand for it would really be uncomfortable for me, but then that is just me. i went away yesterday and was gone seven hours and my m pack did me an excellent job. Small, comfortable, satisfying and yet unobtrusive.him and him
You will have to pardon me if i say that your post appears agitated and if it is, that certainly was not my intention. i merely wanted to make things easy for people. I can only relate to what i went through and not how easy it was for someone else to grasp everything within just a few moments. Some have a hard time and I would imagine, some grasps everything readily and easily and for those individuals i am happy for them. oh, i try never to be a patronizing idiot but if i appear so you will have to pardon me, but since some have taken me to be a patronizing idiot this will be my last post here.
let's all just try to remember that we are all trying to promote vaping on a positive note
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Don't worry about it.
Extreme, inflexible and sometimes unreasonable point's of view are inevitable on public forums.
The fact that you mentioned that a cig style model could possibly be effective is too much for some to bear.
Like i said, don't worry about it. Watching someone blow their top when something doesn't fit into their neat little black and white box where they keep the rest of their reality can be entertaining.
i initially bought a blu and it worked for a few days but it didnt feel like enough. I then proceeded onto youtube and ECF to find an upgrade. Decided on the egoc, but to find out the tank atty deal was a mess in my experience. SO now im just using a dcc, its nice but im already looking at a provari. But in reality to each there own to get off analogs. Some may be happy with mall bought ones or the ego etc. I think personally the provari will be my last upgrade when i do eventually get one. I would consider a silver bullet or another HV mod but i would think i would end up wanting a VV mod. so ima just save the time and money and get a provari. just my 2 cents
This was ME,lol
Only after i had charged my 808 standards for the hundred thousanth time and wore out my 300 W converter in my deisel truck. I think i got tendenitis from switching batteries, I was charging two at a time.
Dont know how many pre-filled carts i went through
Still made it smoke free, 7 months on those 808's, so i dont regret it. I guess my biggest problem was realizing just how much i really smoked in a day....then finding out i needed much bigger hardware. Nic level help alot also. ECF has helped me sooo much, really has made my journey much easier, glad i found it before i burnt my rig down with all my chargers running 24/7!
And considering i was spending 4500-6500 $ a year on stinkies, i have plenty of room for error
My point is not that people with 5 minutes of research don't prefer a mini. I fully understand that that is the mindset that people goi into it with. I simply question the value of trying to perpetuate a mindset that is the result of nothing but marketing campaigns by Blu and his ilk.
I find it interesting that this is a sentiment almost exclusively held by beginners. Somehow, in a few months or so, the vast majority of vapers have a transformation and never expresses that reservation again. Maybe it's some sort of mutation that happens to them.
Sorry if I came off as agitated. I admit some frustration in hearing the same costly myths and misconceptions repeated over and over again as if they were immutable laws of nature. It was nothing personal aimed at you. You were not my vaping mentor. You didn't cost me to waste money by insisting that I must have my uninformed notions validated because I was too dense to comprehend the operation of anything that didn't mimic a cigarette. You, especially, didn't do that after having enough experience to know better.
My point being that there is no logical and valid reason that someone should be encouraged to start with an inferior performing, usually overpriced product that the vast majority of them will abandon within the first several months. They aren't saving money. They aren't being spared a steep learning curve. They aren't avoiding a physical challenge. They may be having some ill formed notion and marketing imposed preconceptions challenged, but they should be. Eventually, they will be anyway and there's no practical advantage to delaying the inevitable. In fact, the contrary is true. It is never advantageous to start something with inferior tools or inferior equipment, be it vaping or skiing or carpentry or anything. Beginning vapers aren't pre-school children who need to get familiar with their plastic hammers and screwdrivers before they're allowed to come near daddy's toolbox.
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