Petition, Claiming E-Cigarettes Cause Cancer

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

Google News Alert scooped up this interesting, if confused and confusing online petition:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/e-cigarettes-ban-causes-lung-cancer/

The title notwithstanding (which appears to argue that a ban on E-cigarettes would ultimately cause cancer, presumably by driving vapers back to smoking), a case history is presented in which 68-year old Bob Denham took up e-cigarettes, only to be diagnosed 10 months later with a laundry list of pulmonary afflictions, lung cancer receiving top billing.

In a letter to the FDA, the agency is asked "How in good faith of mind can you support this horrible cigarette, no regulations[?]...do something about the e-cigarette before you have a lot of deaths of wonderful people on your hands."

The absurdity that the FDA supports e-cigarettes aside, there's a logical elephant in the room: the alleged victim of e-cigarettes smoked for 50 years prior to taking up vaping.

 

[imbt01]

yeah....caught this.....the "alledged victim" has been an "avid" smoker for fifty years......do you think the last 50 years of smoking analog cigs had something to do with this? Well, duh!

 

[rothenbj]

By the same logic, had the Guy quit smoking using NRT that would have caused his cancer.

 

[James Wall]

50 years of smoking and he had "great" looking lungs? 1-3 months of e-cig use and he developed cancer? Alrighty then.

Hasn't there been recent research that suggests nicotine itself could increase the rapidity of a pre-existant cancer's metasis (sp)? I guess I could see the arguement that if he were vaping a nicotine containing liquid that the e-cig may have given something that was already there a jump start, but she seems to imply (even though she doesn't say) that the liquid he was vaping was supposed to be nicotine free.

 

[SonnyCrack]

Interesting..

 

[rothenbj]

50 years of smoking and he had "great" looking lungs? 1-3 months of e-cig use and he developed cancer? Alrighty then.

Hasn't there been recent research that suggests nicotine itself could increase the rapidity of a pre-existant cancer's metasis (sp)? I guess I could see the arguement that if he were vaping a nicotine containing liquid that the e-cig may have given something that was already there a jump start, but she seems to imply (even though she doesn't say) that the liquid he was vaping was supposed to be nicotine free.

She does say it was supposed to be nic free, "My husband a avid smoker of regular cigarettes smoked for 50 years, 10 months ago he changed to the e-cigarette, since there was suppose to be no nicotine or chemicals in ithe went to the doctor yearly for a chest xray of his lungs because he had sleep apnea, his lungs were clear when he started the e-cigarette." emphasis mine.

I would say that TW may want to alert their lawyers. I can't imagine in as little as 1-3 months these issues suddenly appeared from vaping, especially if there was no nicotine. Now had there been nicotine in the liquid perhaps the might be some speeding up of the process. Nicotine Speeds Lung Cancer.

However without studying the subject (they don't even provide a link to the study), it would be difficult to tell whether this is just a continuation of trying to find everything wrong with tobacco or whether there's something really there. This would also impact the continuation of the use of any nicotine (recreational or pharma). My guess would be that he was having issues, decided to try to get off cigarettes and it was a bit too late.

 

[Thulium]

He was trying to quit and stopped the traditional cigarettes and went on the e-cigarette approximately 9 months ago.His doctor said he had had this cancer around 6 to 8 months, We have records where he ordered the items off the internet, Totally Wicked and another e-cigarette, mostly Totally Wicked. Bob believes his problems came about by these e-cigarettes since he had great looking lungs before going on the e-cigarettes.

So, according to the authority vested in Bob, 50 years of smoking doesn't cause incurable lung cancer, but less than 3 months using an e-cigarette does. Oooooookay.

 

[Audio Weasel]

So, according to the authority vested in Bob, 50 years of smoking doesn't cause incurable lung cancer, but less than 3 months using an e-cigarette does. Oooooookay.

Seems to me that there's a number of us on this site that would be stone dead by now, if that were the case.

 

[Vocalek]

Seems to me that there's a number of us on this site that would be stone dead by now, if that were the case.

For someone who has been dead for two years, I smell pretty good.

 

[zoiDman]

Well they got 86 people to agree with Bob and his wife.

Wasn't it PT Barnum that said, There's a Sucker Born Every Day.

BTW - Did you notice the petition is closed? Guess they weren't having any more luck finding New Borns. I wonder how long it ran?

 

[mrjaguar]

oh wow. I am not going to email that millie woman, because I'm not sure I could type a polite letter. and if you don't have something nice to say, shaddup, right?? and I have NOTHING nice to say about that pile of dribble.

pat.

 

[Thulium]

Well they got 86 people to agree with Bob and his wife.

Wasn't it PT Barnum that said, There's a Sucker Born Every Day.

BTW - Did you notice the petition is closed? Guess they weren't having any more luck finding New Borns. I wonder how long it ran?

86...a bit shy of their goal of 1000!

 

[DLL9MM]

" We have records where he ordered the items off the internet, Totally Wicked and another e-cigarette, mostly Totally Wicked."

Interesting.

 

[Vocalek]

If I owned TW, I would be having my attorney contact them...

 

[zoiDman]

If I owned TW, I would be having my attorney contact them...

That might be why the petition was stopped.

 

[Kurt]

That might be why the petition was stopped.

good point! 50 years of smoking is not even implicated in the lung cancer. 2 months of vaping and WHAM, not just lung cancer, but well advanced lung cancer! Man, those Totally Wicked ecigs really do live up to their name!!

Someone should email her...I bet she'll sell those attys for cheap, and TW's Joye attys are always very good. Maybe the batts too, if its a Tornado.

Sorry, Warden, I broke....

 

[zoiDman]

Not sure what state poor old Bob was in when he kacked out due to 60 days worth of TW e-Liquid.

But in California, one wrongful death law suit is worth 50 years of smoking at an average of 5 bucks a pack. I would say that is the real motivation.

 

[rothenbj]

Let's be a bit empathetic. The guy was trying to get off the smokes and in that situation emotions probably got the better of common sense. I think about that statistic where the cancer rate is about twice as high for ex-smokers compared to smokers in the 2006 (I seem to recall) report from the CDC.

 

[Bdbodger]

Has no one stopped to consider the fact that smoking is not the only cause of lung cancer ? You breath 1000 polutants every day just going from your home to your job . Depending on what job you have you can be exposed to many more . In the NZ study of the ruyan ecig they mention that combustion is the main reason those cancer causing agents get released into the air . How many smokestacks and cars do you see each day . In the days when a lot of english people use to use coal for heating at times when there was thick fog the fog was killing people . The fog had a sort of pea soup color to it . To this day people still say that fog can be as thick as pea soup . In those days people had to stay indoors during thick fogs .

 

[zoiDman]

Let's be a bit empathetic. The guy was trying to get off the smokes and in that situation emotions probably got the better of common sense. I think about that statistic where the cancer rate is about twice as high for ex-smokers compared to smokers in the 2006 (I seem to recall) report from the CDC.

Empathy?

Some dude smokes cigarettes for 50 years, gets cancer and now wants to have the FDA Ban e-cigarettes so I can't use them.

Sorry. I'll save what little Empathy I have left for someone a bit more deserving.