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[Caro123]

lessifer petition has almost a thousand signatures

Petition · U.S. Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, President of the United States: Reject the FDA's Deeming of Vapor Products as Tobacco Products · Change.org

 

[Matty316]

Signed.

I live in the UK so this doesn't directly effect me but anything I can do to help support peoples right to vape I'll do.

 

[dabbott416]

Signed, shared on University group wall, University vaping group wall, my own wall, twitter, and e-mailed to a few coworkers. Let's get as many as possible

 

[Marc411]

Lessifer, just my take on the petition. It was created with an effort to address the potential (pending) deeming regulation as it pertained to vaping. It addresses your concerns and the concerns of at least 30,000 other people. You should not consider changing the petition, it serves its purpose, is well written and focused on an important issue. Others may not agree which is their prerogative and everyone has the ability to create a petition suited to a more global agenda.

Don't get distracted by feedback that you may have not covered all THR products. Being targeted and focused seems like a good plan. Painting with a broad brush will/could water down the goal of addressing the specific issue of vaping.

A targeted effort may/should receive a direct review and response as it directly relates to the FDA's Deeming Regulation of Vapor Products.

Changing it now would make the 30,000 signatures invalid. Stay the course because nobody else stepped up to do what you have already done. Its good, I think its very good!

 

[Enta]

I signed the petition today. I joined ECF today so I could tell you in "virtual person" that I appreciate the efforts of all, especially Lessifer's!

 

[Lessifer]

I just love it when people criticize something without even reading it.
I'll paraphrase a few comments here, because I'm not going to waste more time going back for direct quotes.

"Maybe if they had 17,000 signatures it would be something to pay attention to"
We just hit 30,000.

"Petitioning the FDA won't accomplish anything"
Yes, I'm aware of that, which is why it's a petition to the Senate and House, those who can actually do something.

"Direct action like the CTA's from CASAA actually do something."
I agree, that's why I used the petition update system to spread that CTA to 27,000+ people, and tomorrow I'll send it out again to over 30,000.

 

[OlderNDirt]

I signed way back, haven't posted but followed the thread, but just had to take a moment to say GREAT JOB ALL!

Happy 30k and hope it keeps going!

Oh, and great pics and vids.

 

[philoshop]

Anyone who is unhappy with the petition is free to ignore it, and free to then write one of their own.
The only thing that 'needs to be changed' is the government's position on vaping.

 

[Lessifer]

So, apparently I missed a whole discussion of the petition, well online vape petitions since I didn't see any specific references to this one, on the CASAA members fb group. I wasn't aware there was a CASAA members fb group that is different from the CASAA media page. I had seen Carl Phillips mock petition asking vapers to stop signing vape petitions before. It's a lot of the same "petitions don't influence the decision makers" and "give people a false sense of doing something worthwhile."

It still leaves me with the same questions:
What are we doing to actively fight the deeming regulations?
Supporting HR2058 will help mitigate the results of the deeming, but I don't see it as opposing the deeming itself. I almost see it as "you're right, it's tobacco, but at least give us the same chances you gave all of the other tobacco companies." That is not how I feel, though it would be better than nothing.
Why do people see petitions as just a petition, and not the social media awareness tool that they can be?
Even if someone does nothing else vape activism related and they ONLY sign and share the petition, if someone else that they share it with decides to do more, like join CASAA and respond to a CTA, isn't that a net gain?
How do we reach those non-vapers/non-smokers that might actually support our cause if they knew more?

I don't know, I'm not giving up, I believe the petition can do good and I thank all of you who continue to support it.

 

[Marc411]

Les,

For what it's worth the petition unifies a lot of people to a single voice. I think it has impact where the individual letters to representatives is fragmented and easily "lost" in the paperwork shuffle. At the very least it will have to be noticed and as the signatures grow it will create a better chance for us to get noticed and warrant a response.

I believe that its well written and the first instance where someone has created a unified voice.

 

[Lessifer]

31,260

I plugged this as much as possible, but for some reason this isn't getting tons of signatures quickly - and you would think the vaping crowd at least would most certainly be jumping on this bandwagon to sign as it is in our best interest..

The need 100,000 is signatures from all I know about petitions.. hopefully we can figure out how to get more people signing..

although, since I signed the other day 250 more have signed.. so I guess its getting there, slowly but surely!

It grows in fits and spurts. One day 100 people sign, the next 1000, then back to 100. The important thing is that we're letting people know there is a fight coming, and there are ways to get involved, beyond the petition. The petition is more an announcement than anything else, a way to spread information and keep spreading it.

The way it becomes effective is by people doing just what you did. Signing and then sharing, with everyone, vaper or not. If they're your friend, they care about you, some will care enough to help. Some may care enough to write emails/letters to legislators. It's the power of social media activism. The media isn't how you affect change, it's how you gather the troops.

 

[Vapez]

Signed!

 

[Nightly_Paradox]

I signed up on the petition

 

[Lessifer]

Late afternoon bump

 

[KattMamma]

I just bought www . vapingpetition . com - it redirects to the petition at change.org (if you're not seeing it, give it a few minutes - I literally just bought it a minute ago). It expires in a year, but I highly doubt we'll need it that long.

NOTE : I only got this to help out with printed materials, I strongly suggest everyone continue using the change.org link for online stuff because it is so recognizable. And you don't have to use this domain for printed stuff, it's just an option for a lot shorter (and easier to remember) link to put on fliers and business cards - if you want to.

If you're really short on space (business cards?) you can also drop the www and just put vapingpetition.com - that's the main reason I bought it, I plan to print business cards and leave them at nearby vape shops.

Edit - it's so hard to put a domain in a post these days without it changing it!! I had to add in spaces.

 

[motordude]

19334.
I think I know what is happening.
I told my mother about this petition and she went to the beauty parlor yesterday.
Enough said.

 

[philoshop]

I've printed up a stack of cards with the shorter URL to take to a wedding tomorrow.
With one of the guests bringing a couple of bottles of primo bourbon up from Kentucky with him it'll be a race whether the cards or the bearer is passed out first.
I'll do ya'll proud!

 

[FlamingoTutu]

19,640

It would be wonderful to pass 20,000 by the time Lessifer gets out of rehab, I mean back.

Don’t anybody go starting rumors, rehab part was a joke.

Maybe we need some of Caramel's cheerleaders.

Caramel! Help.

 

[BLKDOLL]

I signed it. And I tweeted it & shared it on FB.

 

[DingerCPA]

Just got an email - an FDA workshop indicated that "Second hand vapor" is a non-issue. Bystanders had biomarkers 5000 times less than those of actual vapers. Also, "People who solely use vapor products show NONE of the biomarkers associated with tobacco or tobacco related diseases, in a study done by one of the presenters, aside from nicotine."

KEEP THE PETITION ROLLING!!!!!!