Petition the administration to recognize e-cigarettes
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Yep, almost 40 signatures in the 8 hours since I signed. Not bad.
I'm going to agree with others that this particular petition could be worded much better, or even completely re-conceived. However, let's take it a step at a time and see how far we can get with this one. Some of it may sound far-fetched or weak, but it's not as ridiculous as outlawing a safe alternative to an addictive, carcinogenic product, and I don't think any of us would put that past our politicians. In the end, anything that gets the attention of the right people can't be a bad thing. If we manage to meet the quota on this petition and get a negative response, we'll come back with something more refined. And if we can't get 5000 people interested, then we'll take a different approach and try again. This seems like a good test of the waters before we decide on a more definitive course.
Perhaps we should start coming up with an alternative plan of attack right now. I think we need to consider the following points, for starters:
1) We (vapers) want PVs to remain available as an alternative to tobacco products. What are our primary reasons (i.e., do we have any reasons apart from the fact that it is safer than cigarettes, etc.)?
2) Other than the possibility of allowing nicotine e-liquid to be taxed, what interest would the government have in not outlawing it? Even if there is truth in the statement about saving healthcare money, surely that would be at least partly offset by the decrease in the amount of tobacco tax money.
3) If the consensus turns out to involve government regulation and taxation of e-liquid and/or other vaping products, how can we maintain our enjoyment of "cool-looking" devices and flavored liquids? We can't forget that tobacco regulation expanded to the abolition of "flavored" cigarettes (I was a fan of Camel Crema back in the day).
These are off the top of my head after a long day of administering databases and fighting a sinus cold, so please add, reject, criticize, or correct anything I've said. Thoughts, anyone?
LOL...as I was typing this, I received my first e-mail offer from Marlboro since I quit smoking. Couldn't delete it fast enough.
I'm going to agree with others that this particular petition could be worded much better, or even completely re-conceived. However, let's take it a step at a time and see how far we can get with this one. Some of it may sound far-fetched or weak, but it's not as ridiculous as outlawing a safe alternative to an addictive, carcinogenic product, and I don't think any of us would put that past our politicians. In the end, anything that gets the attention of the right people can't be a bad thing. If we manage to meet the quota on this petition and get a negative response, we'll come back with something more refined. And if we can't get 5000 people interested, then we'll take a different approach and try again. This seems like a good test of the waters before we decide on a more definitive course.
Perhaps we should start coming up with an alternative plan of attack right now. I think we need to consider the following points, for starters:
1) We (vapers) want PVs to remain available as an alternative to tobacco products. What are our primary reasons (i.e., do we have any reasons apart from the fact that it is safer than cigarettes, etc.)?
2) Other than the possibility of allowing nicotine e-liquid to be taxed, what interest would the government have in not outlawing it? Even if there is truth in the statement about saving healthcare money, surely that would be at least partly offset by the decrease in the amount of tobacco tax money.
3) If the consensus turns out to involve government regulation and taxation of e-liquid and/or other vaping products, how can we maintain our enjoyment of "cool-looking" devices and flavored liquids? We can't forget that tobacco regulation expanded to the abolition of "flavored" cigarettes (I was a fan of Camel Crema back in the day).
These are off the top of my head after a long day of administering databases and fighting a sinus cold, so please add, reject, criticize, or correct anything I've said. Thoughts, anyone?
LOL...as I was typing this, I received my first e-mail offer from Marlboro since I quit smoking. Couldn't delete it fast enough.
#699! did it earlier this morning, We need 5000! the 27th is my birthday 
its a sign I tell ya!
its a sign I tell ya!
I'm signing it now... just waiting for the email.
Same here. Awesome find smokingevolved - thanks for taking the initiative!
I was happy to do it. The reason I focused on job creation/deficit reduction was to make the petition relevant to others who might not be so passionate about vaping. It's an unfortunate reality that the employment situation in this country is the worst it's been in a long time, and this is an issue that everybody can get behind. If we play up the larger economic and societal benefits of vaping, I think we'll see a much more welcome response.
Need to get this out. There are far too many of us on the ECF for this to fail. Number 792!
I definitely agree with the reasoning behind this focus. And there may very well be a solid case for it. Again, trying to gain support for something like this is just a matter of finding the right appeals. So I think this is a great way to find out where we stand, if nothing else.
If the job creation angle turns out to be a major point of interest, the next step would be a more detailed, compelling argument for the prospective growth of the industry in the US. We would need some solid data showing the trends over the last couple of years (total sales, job creation, etc.) to show that there is potential for a major industry.
I don't know if this made it to the newbie thread, but it would be good to be placed there. I tried a few days ago but for some reason I can't post there. I'm sure many who post there don't make it out to other parts of ECF.
Signed #836
We may get their attention with the petition, but I still think the only way they'll notice is if it will bring in revenue. I'm also contacting my Congresspeople, maybe they'll notice too, but I'm not at all optimistic. Better than doing nothing I guess. We've got a long haul ahead of us I'm afraid.
they sent me a dead link to confirm my account. I will try again. Thanks for doing the petition!
Ok, got it done! #922
Ok, got it done! #922
I'll sign it tonight after work but we need to spread the word. I never seen this topic a friend just copied the link or otherwise I would have never seen it.
Facebook, Twitter, Other sections of ECF, other vape forums we need to reach 5,000 signatures.
Facebook, Twitter, Other sections of ECF, other vape forums we need to reach 5,000 signatures.
I tried several times to get an account, but I just couldn't get it to work.
I refreshed for new words to put in.
I closed the site and went back in.
I used all of the links given by Roly.
will try again later.
IMHO, when the tobacco companies have lost more than they are gaining , by more people flat out quitting or moving to E-Cigs, they will jump in.
I'm truly surprised they haven't already. Couldn't they make $ by expanding thier company by making tobacco juices, since they have the tobacco already??!!
I refreshed for new words to put in.
I closed the site and went back in.
I used all of the links given by Roly.
will try again later.
IMHO, when the tobacco companies have lost more than they are gaining , by more people flat out quitting or moving to E-Cigs, they will jump in.
I'm truly surprised they haven't already. Couldn't they make $ by expanding thier company by making tobacco juices, since they have the tobacco already??!!
RJ Reynolds had two reps at Vapefest. The tobacco companies are paying close attention.
I don't know if I'd be completely opposed to BT getting involved or not. If they took the right position on it, they could really help the overall vaping cause, and make some good money in the process. They have the bank accounts to actually fund studies on safety and such. And advertising dollars to really get the word out to the public at large.
As long as they don't try to shut out other juice vendors and lock down the market, I wouldn't have any problems with them getting a piece of the pie. When vaping goes mainstream, that's going to be a pretty big pie.
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