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I wrapped a new tighter wick from the 400 that came with the Cobra, adding a few steps.

- I torched the mesh once when it was still flat without quenching. (Some say it rolls better for them when tempered once.)
- I boiled the mesh. (Probably extraneous when it's already been torched.)
- I folded a little bit of the end over on both ends to try to avoid little wires that might short.
- I rolled from one side for a bit, then unrolled and rolled from the opposite end so when I completed it, the outside of the wick had already been rolled in the direction it lies on the outside of the coil.

It probably took over an hour just rolling it, stopping, making it tighter, continue rolling, tighten, etc. Torched it without quenching. Then juiced it and torched it. I didn't measure the overall length. I can put a lighter to it and it will continue to burn, so it must be wicking OK.:thumb:

I've been using the Peter K method to wrap the coil. Use something the same size as your wick hole, like the end of a drill bit, drop it in where the wick will sit and wrap the coil around it, connect it to the screw and center post, remove the drill bit. (The benefit to using the drill bit is that it gives you a solid surface to wrap the coil, without worrying about disturbing the oxidation on the wick.) Check the ohms. Fire up the coil alone a couple of times. juice the coil and fire it up a couple of times. Drop the wick in, adjust coils. juice wick and coils and flame it.

The first coil I wrapped was about 2.5 Ohms. I was bringing it up slowly in voltage. It seemed to be doing well, but developed a hot spot near the top of the wick and popped. Aha.

When you roll the wick and tighten it, the top and bottom can become uneven and raggedy. This creates an environment for pokies or stray wires which can short. Not good for your coils.

If when you torch your completed wick, you see little flare ups in spots, it's probably a trouble area. So, I decided I needed to pull the wick up and make sure I avoid coiling near the top of the wick. I only want to coil on the comparatively smooth part of the wick.

Using the same wick, I made a new coil. After inserting the wick, I didn't just adjust the coils, I tightened the coil from both ends onto the wick. I wanted to be sure that I have really good contact of all coils on flat wicking surface. This new coil is measuring about 1 Ohm.:ohmy:

As you can imagine, even at the lowest setting on the Provari it's producing loads of vapor. I'd have to reduce my nic level to vape this full time. Unfortunately, I'm still not getting the great flavor that others describe.

If the flavor doesn't develop with this set up, I do have 500 mesh and 30 and 28 Kanthal on order to experiment with.
 
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I wrapped a new tighter wick from the 400 that came with the Cobra, adding a few steps.

- I torched the mesh once when it was still flat without quenching. (Some say it rolls better for them when tempered once.)
- I boiled the mesh. (Probably extraneous when it's already been torched.)
- I folded a little bit of the end over on both ends to try to avoid little wires that might short.
- I rolled from one side for a bit, then unrolled and rolled from the opposite end so when I completed it, the outside of the wick had already been rolled in the direction it lies on the outside of the coil.

It probably took over an hour just rolling it, stopping, making it tighter, continue rolling, tighten, etc. Torched it without quenching. Then juiced it and torched it. I didn't measure the overall length. I can put a lighter to it and it will continue to burn, so it must be wicking OK.:thumb:

I've been using the Peter K method to wrap the coil. Use something the same size as your wick hole, like the end of a drill bit, drop it in where the wick will sit and wrap the coil around it, connect it to the screw and center post, remove the drill bit. (The benefit to using the drill bit is that it gives you a solid surface to wrap the coil, without worrying about disturbing the oxidation on the wick.) Check the ohms. Fire up the coil alone a couple of times. Juice the coil and fire it up a couple of times. Drop the wick in, adjust coils. Juice wick and coils and flame it.

The first coil I wrapped was about 2.5 Ohms. I was bringing it up slowly in voltage. It seemed to be doing well, but developed a hot spot near the top of the wick and popped. Aha.

When you roll the wick and tighten it, the top and bottom can become uneven and raggedy. This creates an environment for pokies or stray wires which can short. Not good for your coils.

If when you torch your completed wick, you see little flare ups in spots, it's probably a trouble area. So, I decided I needed to pull the wick up and make sure I avoid coiling near the top of the wick. I only want to coil on the comparatively smooth part of the wick.

Using the same wick, I made a new coil. After inserting the wick, I didn't just adjust the coils, I tightened the coil from both ends onto the wick. I wanted to be sure that I have really good contact of all coils on flat wicking surface. This new coil is measuring about 1 Ohm.:ohmy:

As you can imagine, even at the lowest setting on the Provari it's producing loads of vapor. I'd have to reduce my nic level to vape this full time. Unfortunately, I'm still not getting the great flavor that others describe.

If the flavor doesn't develop with this set up, I do have 500 mesh and 30 and 28 Kanthal on order to experiment with.

Well written up. A lot of the flavor will come with "seasoning" and breaking in the wick. As I vapes mine last night, I was getting a lot better flavor at hour 3 than in first hour.
With mine, I'm still lacking on a ton of vapor.
What I don't like about the cobra is that top nut. It makes just about half of the wick not usable. Sure it wicks, but if you could squeeze out another wrap or two, I think there would be improvement. I may see if I have a couple of small generic nuts I could thread on there to gain some more room.
 

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Good point on the top nut. It would help to have more height for coiling.

Yeah. I have some brass and SS nuts, but haven't looked to see what size it would need. I'll have to check tonight. I'm still trying to figure out why they made that top nut so damn tall. I did very little research on the cobra before ordering. I have read how good it is and how people love it. But when I opened it up, that's the first thing I noticed. That cut half the height off.
 

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The DIDs are tempermental. Once you learn the tricks, you work with them, but until then, it's a lot of bleeping on the house. NOT recommended for a house with small impressionable children in it. Just sayin :)

Is that right? I kinda had a feeling about that. The DID was my first Genesis style atomizer and I had a really frustrating time with it building a coil. I thought it was operator error when I couldn't get going. After all that frustrating time with it I can easily get a coil going on any Genesis style atomizer now, LOL.
 

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Is that right? I kinda had a feeling about that. The DID was my first Genesis style atomizer and I had a really frustrating time with it building a coil. I thought it was operator error when I couldn't get going. After all that frustrating time with it I can easily get a coil going on any Genesis style atomizer now, LOL.

Oh my first week with the DID tested my patience to the max. I almost tested its durability against a brick wall several times. And the words that came out of my mouth? Lets just say my wife would only look at me as if to say "you PAID for that aggravation?"

It's behaved ever since I "cracked the code" and I've coiled just about any other genny with little to no problems. I just know the quirks that work for me and I accept that it's fickle and I need those workarounds. Every now and then, I get a bad coil night only to discover that I'm doing something different than it likes. Smh. Go back to proven and true, and it works.
(I'm working on a solid wick for that tonight, but I won't write about that here)
 

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Is that right? I kinda had a feeling about that. The DID was my first Genesis style atomizer and I had a really frustrating time with it building a coil. I thought it was operator error when I couldn't get going. After all that frustrating time with it I can easily get a coil going on any Genesis style atomizer now, LOL.

I'm betting it's the DID also because I've made some many coil setups and have the same problems every time. I'll bet I don't have this problem when I get the mini scuba gen (If I ever get it) :mad: Been waiting 5 months now.
 

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I'm betting it's the DID also because I've made some many coil setups and have the same problems every time. I'll bet I don't have this problem when I get the mini scuba gen (If I ever get it) :mad: Been waiting 5 months now.

I bet you don't have a problem if you drop it out the window either. Well, you'll have different problems.
 

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I've actually had pretty good luck with the ChiDs/DUDs. Those are the gennies I have had the least issues with, overall, though it still took me a while to get them down at first even though they weren't my first experience with this type of setup.


Finally got the Cobra set up and working, now in the break-in period. I went straight to dual wicks and had to try three times to get it without popping coils (which isn't bad considering my half-assed oxidation job). First tried Zen's method of wrapping the coil onto the wick while it's in the atty . . . popped both coils at the same time :laugh: Next I tried the Petar K method and failed so miserably I'm not even going to describe it :facepalm: Finally, I did the paper trick like I usually do and wrapped my coils before putting them in the tank, 6/5 wrap on solid 400 wicks for a total resistance of about 1 ohm and it's working great :thumbs:

Wow the draw on this thing is tight! I have used things before where people complained of a tight draw and found them to be just right for my taste, but this is unbelievably tight. I can get used to it, I'm finding it to be not so bad if I adjust my normal draw style to compensate, but it'll take a while to fully acclimate.

Anyway, so far so good and I have high hopes that after I get used to it I'll really dig it. I'll get a pic of my setup posted later
 

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Here's my dual wicks. Sorry for the uber-flash . . .

Vapes great with the air hole positioned right between them

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Got shipping notice on my sandblasted tank yesterday, so if I'm lucky I'll have some cool new glass this weekend :)
 

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Wow the draw on this thing is tight! I have used things before where people complained of a tight draw and found them to be just right for my taste, but this is unbelievably tight. I can get used to it, I'm finding it to be not so bad if I adjust my normal draw style to compensate, but it'll take a while to fully acclimate.

Anyway, so far so good and I have high hopes that after I get used to it I'll really dig it. I'll get a pic of my setup posted later

Did you remove the fill screw?

I think I'll need to learn to take to a longer slower draw on this thing too. Then again, when it does hit well, it about knocks me over, and I am not nic sensitive at all.

I have got some #500 mesh here that I will try next time, I just had the included supplies handy so chose to use those this time.

Jealous. I finally have a coil / wick set up that is letting some flavor through, but I think the 400 wicking isn't really keeping up with my chain vaping habits. I have to use it intermittently or I get the dreaded burnt ash flavor. Yuck! I'm really happy with the flavor now when it IS working well, so that's great news.

I ordered 500 from the UK Mesh Company. People are saying 2 weeks, and it may be worse to the midwest now with NY all torn up. I'm also in the #500 mesh coop, but it's not off the ground yet, and once it goes live there's a four week lead-time.

I think I would get more satisfaction throwing it against a brick wall. :mad:

Sorry it's giving you fits. :(
 

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Here's my dual wicks. Sorry for the uber-flash . . .

Vapes great with the air hole positioned right between them

2lwvrya.jpg


Got shipping notice on my sandblasted tank yesterday, so if I'm lucky I'll have some cool new glass this weekend :)

What type if coil/wick setup you got going on? Is that solid or have a hole?
 

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Jealous. I finally have a coil / wick set up that is letting some flavor through, but I think the 400 wicking isn't really keeping up with my chain vaping habits. I have to use it intermittently or I get the dreaded burnt ash flavor. Yuck! I'm really happy with the flavor now when it IS working well, so that's great news.

This is exactly what happens to me. No flavor or 1 or 2 good hits and then burnt. I can't wait to try the 500 mesh. I'm not touching this sucker again until I get the 500.
 

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Foggy, yeah I've got the fill screw removed. I can't quite chain vape on it, but then again I never have been able to with genisis attys, though it is wicking pretty well so far. And my Mesh Co order took about 5 days to arrive, so if you're lucky it may get to you sooner than you expect ;-)

Yankee, those wicks are solid or pretty darn close to it. #400 mesh and a 6/5 coil wrap on each. Resistance has gone up to 1.2 ohms after a little use. I just had to try a dual wick, but I may just stick with one for my next build. We'll see how this setup is after a couple days
 

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Oh the joys of genesis. :facepalm:

Joys my .... I need to find THE setup for the cobra. I have taken great time in trying several setups for each genny I have. Solid worked GREAT all night last night and ALL DAY today. It choked on me on my way home. Ad I haven't been able to get it wicking since.
Now. Back to the drawing board for this device. Smh
I jinxed it. I just bragged how great it was working.
 
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