PHOENiX™ 808 Bottom Coil and Top Coil with 808 Connection are NOW AVAILABLE in both OHMS!

[dannoman]

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[badkolo]

oh snap, just like we promised, you asked and we delivered, 808 fanatics here you go.

 

[cthompson116]

Awesome!. No primer I assume.

 

[badkolo]

dry coil area

 

[aktionze]

I would really love to try these Phoenixes.
However, I was wondering if someone could help me to choose which ohm should I get and I know it depends on people's preferences but which works better: Top coil or Bottom Coil?

 

[melloyello]

for a 3.7v device, use the lower ohm. the bottom coil wicks well out of the box is you have 70pg/30vg or runnier juice. havent tried the top coil but im guessing its about the same as fluxos.

 

[Xaria]

Thanks for the 808 lovin'. Order placed.


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[aktionze]

Thank you for your answer, melloyello.
According to the website, it says 3.7 volts for "battery rated voltage" so I believe it is 3.7v device.
Ohm makes me really confusing when it comes to choosing a cartomizer, but now I understand lower ohm (2.4 - 2.6 ohm) works better than higher ohm (2.6 - 2.8 ohm).

I have used and am using fluxoes before and it works wonderfully. However, I was wondering if Top coil Phoenixes are different and since I have never used bottom coil, I also was wondering if it works better (performance, vapor production, better taste, etc)

for a 3.7v device, use the lower ohm. the bottom coil wicks well out of the box is you have 70pg/30vg or runnier juice. havent tried the top coil but im guessing its about the same as fluxos.

 

[rdsok]

Thank you for your answer, melloyello.
According to the website, it says 3.7 volts for "battery rated voltage" so I believe it is 3.7v device.
Ohm makes me really confusing when it comes to choosing a cartomizer, but now I understand lower ohm (2.4 - 2.6 ohm) works better than higher ohm (2.6 - 2.8 ohm).

I have used and am using fluxoes before and it works wonderfully. However, I was wondering if Top coil Phoenixes are different and since I have never used bottom coil, I also was wondering if it works better (performance, vapor production, better taste, etc)

The lower ohm atty/carto/clearo aren't better per se... what you were being told is that at the voltage you are using they are likely to be better on average, but everyone will differ slightly and you may find that you prefer a different power level. Ultimately what wattage ( power ) you like is what is important and that is what the combination of voltage and ohms tells you.

The following numbers should show you a bit on how voltage and ohms can vary and actually end up with the same wattage output.

A 2.4 ohm coil on 3.7v will produce 5.704 watts of power at the coil
and a 2.6 ohm coil on 3.851v will produce the same 5.704 watts
and a 2.8 ohm coil on 3.996v will produce the same 5.704 watts

Now let's work the numbers a different way... I'll keep the voltage the same and only change the ohms...

The 2.4 ohm coil on 3.7v will produce 5.704 watts of power on the coil as I mentioned earlier..
The 2.6 ohm coil on 3.7v will produce 5.265 watts at the coil
The 2.8 ohm coil on 3.7v will produce 4.889 watts at the coil.

Now for a bit more on this... There are several types of PV's ( personal vaporizers )... some are unregulated and some are regulated. The regulated ones also have a few types... some regulate to a fixed voltage ( an eGo as an example which is 3.3 or 3.4v ), some have a variable voltage ( Lavatube, Provari as two examples ) and some have variable wattage ( Darwin and the Kick as examples ). The most common are the unregulated ones that just run directly off of the battery. and these are often refered to 3.7v mods since that is what their lithium battery ( if they use that type ) are refered to. A fully charged 3.7v lithium battery is actually at 4.2v and when they are empty... they are at around 3.3v.

If your PV is unregulated... then when it is fully charged you will have more power at the coil ( higher wattage ) and as it drains it gets weaker and a lower wattage when nearly depleted.

I hope that wasn't too much info... but I do think it is important to understand it so you get the best vape you can.

 

[KDude]

Got these today. Been using the 510s on various devices, but this is the perfect on the move vape for me. Now if only someone came out with a mini size 808 battery with longer life. I'm using standard size. Looks a little Audrey Hepburn-ish (and I'm a guy)

 

[paddymx]

.......

Now let's work the numbers a different way... I'll keep the voltage the same and only change the ohms...

The 2.4 ohm coil on 3.7v will produce 5.704 watts of power on the coil as I mentioned earlier..
The 2.6 ohm coil on 3.7v will produce 5.265 watts at the coil
The 2.8 ohm coil on 3.7v will produce 4.889 watts at the coil.

Now for a bit more on this... There are several types of PV's ...

I hope that wasn't too much info... but I do think it is important to understand it so you get the best vape you can.

Very helpful. Just got my Fluxomizer's CE2...808 @ 2.4 ohm.I'm using the regulated Volt 78mm batteries. When talking to Volt they said their 78mm's were 1.5-2.2 ohms and their x2's were 2.5-3 ohm. When I first placed my order I ordered the FLüXomizer™ CE2 SUPREME CLEAR 808 REG 1ml 2.8-3.0 ohm but as I am using the 78mm's(1.5-2.2 ohms ) I thought I had ordered the wrong ones. Thought the higher ohms meant more resistance therefore more current draw, more heat. Thought I might damage the batteries. So I changed my order to the FLüXomizer™ CE2 SUPREME CLEAR 808 REG 1ml 2.4-2.6 ohm. My thinking...still not a match (1.5-2.2 ohms ) but at least closer and perhaps less damage. Now I said that so I could say this:

Based on your figures, its not an issue of damage but rather heat(vapor) and current draw(battery life). So my worries were for not?

So the higher the ohms the cooler the vape and the lower battery draw? Am I reading this right?

I could have gotten the higher ohm's with no damage but a cooler vape and less battery draw, right??

I'm sooo confused

P.S. Not using the Phoenix but I hope my question is still valid

 

[rdsok]

Based on your figures, its not an issue of damage but rather heat(vapor) and current draw(battery life). So my worries were for not?

So the higher the ohms the cooler the vape and the lower battery draw? Am I reading this right?

I could have gotten the higher ohm's with no damage but a cooler vape and less battery draw, right??

I'm sooo confused

Damage can be an issue but depends on what current the battery is able to provide or withstand. In the situation you mentioned, since they are made to use/support lower resistance vaporizers ( ie carto/atty/clearo etc )... You should be fine because you are not increasing the amount of current drain on the batteries.

You seem to have understood it right... lower resistance = higher power and current drain therefore a warmer vape... higher resist = lower power and current drain and therefore a cooler vape. Also remember that you don't get something for nothing and if you increase the resistance of the brand/model vaporizer you are using... you will also get less vapor and the flavor will be affected some as well.

 

[paddymx]

You seem to have understood it right... Also remember that you don't get something for nothing and if you increase the resistance of the brand/model vaporizer you are using... you will also get less vapor and the flavor will be affected some as well.

Thanks ..now a follow up. "brand/model vaporizer you are using". Are you talking the device (CE2/atty/etc.or battery?

EDIT : never mind just re-read your post. Your talking CE2/atty's etc.

 

[rdsok]

To quote from the paragraph just before the one you quoted from...

vaporizers ( ie carto/atty/clearo etc )...

lol rofl

 

[paddymx]

To quote from the paragraph just before the one you quoted from...



lol rofl

As you were sending, I was typing (editing).

 

[paddymx]

Damage can be an issue but depends on what current the battery is able to provide or withstand. In the situation you mentioned, since they are made to use/support lower resistance vaporizers ( ie carto/atty/clearo etc )... You should be fine because you are not increasing the amount of current drain on the batteries.

You seem to have understood it right... lower resistance = higher power and current drain therefore a warmer vape... higher resist = lower power and current drain and therefore a cooler vape. Also remember that you don't get something for nothing and if you increase the resistance of the brand/model vaporizer you are using... you will also get less vapor and the flavor will be affected some as well.

Perhaps off topic, but, I consider this a generic aspect. You said there would be trade offs and since I am considering another purchase and I could use a little more info. Even at my 3.7v,2.4 ohms, I'm not getting that much heat. I know everything is subjective, but, what are the flavor trade offs(relative to your preferences) at the higher ohms? More or less flavor? Probably less but one can hope. I'm cool with being cooler Could I counteract the vapor loss with more VG? Does the lower wattage impact the burn thus generating less flavor/vapor which may or may not be addressed by increasing the flavor %.
Just trying to get a handle on this.

TNX

 

[kaptkobe]

It's pretty simple once you know the math.

Divide volts by ohms, this gives you the amps.

Multiply volts by amps, this gives you watts.

Wattage is the power (heat or vape) that you feel.

For instance

3.7 volts divided by 2.4 ohms = 1.54 amps.

3.7 volts x 1.54 amps = 5.7 watts of power.

I've heard that 8 watts is the preferred vape but it's subjective, I prefer 3.7 - 3.8 for most juices in the Phoenix top coil.

 

[paddymx]

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Now what are the differences in the top vs bottom units. I would think the top would produce a hotter vapor and vice versa? Anything else?

 

[badkolo]

they work differently all together, even the hits are different becuase of the airflow and how juice is introduced to the coil, while some thing the bc may be cooler, and it is, its not much cooler, the 2.4 to 2.6 bc phoenix can deliver a warm vape, it might not be warm like a ce2 but warm enough .

usualy the top coil will give you a harder, hotter hit but that all depends on the voltage your using and the resitance(ohm the carto is and now with many PV's you can adjust the voltage to change the warmth at will

if your using a 2.6 top coil at 4 to 4.2 volts and ita little to warm, then you could crank it down to 3.7 or 3.8

so it also depends on your setup as well., I find the BC phoenix, both xl and 3ml to be winners in my book, i like the top coil as well becuase i always have, so thats just what i like, but you would need to try both and figure out which vapes best for you and not others.

 

[rdsok]

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Perhaps off topic, but, I consider this a generic aspect. You said there would be trade offs and since I am considering another purchase and I could use a little more info. Even at my 3.7v,2.4 ohms, I'm not getting that much heat. I know everything is subjective, but, what are the flavor trade offs(relative to your preferences) at the higher ohms? More or less flavor? Probably less but one can hope. I'm cool with being cooler Could I counteract the vapor loss with more VG? Does the lower wattage impact the burn thus generating less flavor/vapor which may or may not be addressed by increasing the flavor %.
Just trying to get a handle on this.

TNX

The trade off's I was refering to was in the amount of vapor... less power ( wattage ) means less vapor and more power equates to more vapor. Said in another way... if the coil is hotter ( more power ), it can vaporize more liquid which in turn creates more vapor but it does this by using more juice quicker also...

The above info is fairly easy because it is just using math to help explain the power side of things and physics to explain why there is more or less vapor...

Flavor doesn't work the same way... it is subjective and only depends on a persons preferences or expectations... An example, which I'm a bit reluctant to go into but I will since it sort of seems logical but still some people may have different preferences for... A fruit juice is likely to be enjoyed more with a cooler vape than a warmer one... or perhaps a rich coffee flavor would seem better with a warmer vape... Still I must say you can't quantify flavor with just numbers or physics... Flavor will always be unable to be pinned down since everyone will have differences of opinions.