Please DO vap where you can't smoke!!!
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I'm going to assume that you're addressing me ... and I'm going to try to stay away from what appears to be bait.
I don't bend people to my will. Intelligent, healthy people cannot be bent to anyone's will.
I don't see a compromise here, and I don't believe one is necessary. Agreeing to disagree is sufficient. Just because I don't think this issue worthy of compromise doesn't make me "pushy, selfish, and unwilling to engage in productive communication", so I hope that was not what you intended to imply.
I don't step on anyone's toes in order to vape, in fact quite the opposite. Why, oh why, can't it be accepted that vaping in public in places where smoking is banned isn't necessarily someone being an .......
Jan
Am I reading this correctly?
Are you saying that people who vap in public are the reason Big Tobacco and the Gov't are talking about banning PV's?
Doesn't have anything to do with the taxes that gov.'t receives from tobacco sales, profits Big Tobacco makes in selling cigarettes, or Lobbyists?
It has to do with " people... being so obstinant, mak(ing) people feel like we were being intrusive, if we dont vape where people are not allowed to smoke"
Am I reading your post or understanding it correctly?
I have to say, I do vap in public, and here in Los Angeles, NOBODY CARES!!!
I can't think of ANYONE who has complained about my public vaping, in Los Angeles or anywhere else, so far. People who object to vaping where smoking isn't allowed make statements like "why by pushy, why antagonize other people"...
From MY experiences (and I admit, other people's experiences, in other parts of the country/world may be different) has been NOBODY CARES! They are NOT bothered that I am vaping! (and I AM considerate...)
I've also read quite a few posts from others, basically saying the same thing.
One person says that "She goes to the womans restrooms to vap (where, I assume, it's also NOT ALLOWED TO SMOKE), and that she's been approached by people curious and interested in vaping! Wow. Imagine that.
Maybe if she vaped in pubic (NOT blowing plumes of vaper in peoples faces, or being obnoxious....), she'd experience the same response?
I know that, here in Los Angeles, I do.
I have to say one last thing...
I happened to have asked my wife, herself a "smoke nazi" (and I love her dearly), how many people she's seen in Los Angeles/Beverly Hills/Glendale...wherever, vaping.
One. Count 'em, ONE person she's seen vaping, in the six months since I started to vap.
So any talk about legislation to kill vaping due to "obnoxious, pushy vapers who insist on vaping in public" is nonsense.
Unless there are bars or restaurants in New York, Chicago, Detroit or some other part of the country FILLED with people vaping away in public?
Have people seen this? Seriously. I'd love to hear that I'm wrong, that Los Angeles is unique, and that people are vaping all over!
Vaping is being threatened by legislation to ban it for one reason, and one reason only...$$$.
I happened to have asked my wife, herself a "smoke nazi" (and I love her dearly), how many people she's seen in Los Angeles/Beverly Hills/Glendale...wherever, vaping.
One. Count 'em, ONE person she's seen vaping, in the six months since I started to vap.
So any talk about legislation to kill vaping due to "obnoxious, pushy vapers who insist on vaping in public" is nonsense.
Unless there are bars or restaurants in New York, Chicago, Detroit or some other part of the country FILLED with people vaping away in public?
Have people seen this? Seriously. I'd love to hear that I'm wrong, that Los Angeles is unique, and that people are vaping all over!
Vaping is being threatened by legislation to ban it for one reason, and one reason only...$$$.
If you have to think if it is acceptable or not, it probably isn't. I dont smoke in businesses/restaurants/gas stations etc etc because I feel it is attention seeking. It screams LOOK AT ME IM VAPING NICOTINE, I HOPE YOU ASK ME WHAT THE HELL I AM DOING SO I CAN GO INTO MY WELL PREPARED SPEECH. Besides, since i started vaping my cravings have gone down so much that I never feel that I need nicotine (and im vaping 36mg).
Thats the best news in this thread yet. Sounds like most people vaping in your area are smart enough to realize they don't need to do it in public. I have been vaping 9 months and I have never seen anyone in my area, and I get out a lot.
actually, it doesn't scream it only calmly suggests "i'm going about my business and am not doing anything wrong" the way most sensible people would do it. and would only scream anything if some idiot was walking up to ppl blowing it in their faces etc. but then i figure that'd scream more " I'M AN ... AND AM TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING" all my public vaping responses if anyone noticed have been positive, like "good for you for quitting" or just yesterday "i just ordered my uncle one of those last week" etc. not 1ce have i gotten so much as a dirty look. That's wholly the reason i don't see any sense in the alarmist attitude.
u'r right, it couldn't b that there are maybe a million vapers in a couuntry of billions could it?
it will get more prevalant, and hopefully most will have enough sense not to be an alarmist about it trying to hide it. but if it makes u feel better about u'rself to hide it like u'r doing something sneaky more power to u. it'll keep u from actually doing anything really stupid.
Probably the strangest comment I've read in this thread so far.
I thought it was right on the $
Couldn't it just be that people vap in restaurants, bars, etc. because they like to vap? If I vap in an empty restaurant, or in a dark movie... it's because I'm an attention .....?
I vap where I'm AllOWED TO VAP. If any restaurant, or movie theater posted a sign saying "No Vaping"... I wouldn't vap.
I'd much rather be able to vap during a two hour movie, and not have to have cravings, then either go outside to vap, or simply be uncomfortable. It is NOT for attention! I don't vap at home for attention, I don't vap in my car for attention... why would you assume people who vap where it is allowed do it for attention?
Strange... (and as I've mentioned, nobody else, non-vapers, have yet to complain or come up to me and ask me to stop. They are totally uninterested and/or unconcerned in my vaping...)
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If someone's wearing a Colts t-shirt & hat in public would you assume that too is inappropriate "attention seeking" aimed at getting strangers to come up and ask them about the Colts??
IDK... just seemed like a strange statement to me.
I fear the more vaping is done in public places to make a statement, the more we are shooting ourselves in the foot. As we all know by now, the anti's don't care about all the great things they do for us, and the more they see folks vaping in places we can't smoke the more ...... and aggressive they'll get on trying to stop us from doing it at all. Although vaping is much less harmful, if not harmless to others around us, it can still be very annoying or distracting to folks and disrespectful. If you really can't go two hours during a movie, or or go out to eat without your nic fix, then go to the bathroom and do it in privacy and don't stir the pot. We are treading on thin ice as they say, and I just don't think we should be jumping up and down on it!
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Right on. I am guessing most of the people who are adamant about doing it until told to shut it down are overparented, entitled Gen Y'ers. Not saying all Gen Y-ers are like that, but a lot of the people I work with are. No one ever told these kids you gotta keep your head down, work hard and wait your turn. They think they are the center of the universe and no one's ever put a foot up their @$$ yet to let them know they aren't. That's my generational rant
Again, I have to respectfully disagree. I don't vape in public to make a statement; I vape in public because I vape. It's something that I do. I'm not doing it for attention ... and quite frankly those with this mindset remind me a bit too much of some of my immediate family that are more concerned with what others 'think' than what is truly right and just.
We are on thin ice, but not of our own making. The FDA/BT/BP have a blow torch pointed at that ice melting it from under our feet. And if we don't stand up and politely and courteously garner public knowledge and attention to that fact we won't be able to shut the torch down ... then we drown.
Just my honest opinion,
Jan
Well, to each his own; whatever blows your hair back. I still like to pretend that we do live in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Right on. I am guessing most of the people who are adamant about doing it until told to shut it down are overparented, entitled Gen Y'ers. Not saying all Gen Y-ers are like that, but a lot of the people I work with are. No one ever told these kids you gotta keep your head down, work hard and wait your turn. They think they are the center of the universe and no one's ever put a foot up their @$$ yet to let them know they aren't. That's my generational rant
Odd ... we are of the same generation and again I wholeheartedly disagree.
and that's ok, I respect your opinion. That's the difference between a discussion and each of us just wanting to say how WE feel.
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