PLEASE stop recommending RBAs and RDAs to beginners in the Newbie Forum

[BillyWJ]

This to me is as irresponsible as a B&M worker building a coil on an IGO on an unprotected mech and sending the customer off with no advice, education or the proper set up.

RDAs and RBAs are great. We know this. But they are NOT for people just starting out, and what's worse is not giving newbies links to how to USE these safely. They're also a considerable investment in time and money to learn to use them effectively, let the new vapors deal with the transition from smoking without dealing with ohms, coils, wicks, and all of the other issues involved.

Some vapers may never graduate to this level of gear, anyway. Let them find them on their own - Egos and tanks and spinners are PERFECT for beginners, there is no need to jump to advanced gear, where there are REAL dangers to deal with, and are not easy for everyone to deal with - you might be able to recoil and wick your kayfun while driving and talking on the phone, but not everyone will be able to.

 

[CosmicCatalyst]

I agree with you here. Rebuildables shouldn't be on a beginners radar along with mechs. I would refer anyone wanting to get a setup above an ego and tank to come here and read all the safety guidelines and see the steep learning curve. Starting with a VV ego and tank you can really get experience with how things work, and even rebuil coils if you have a protank or similar to see if you can really invest the effort to learn RBAs.

 

[boog]

anybody can learn, just because they are new doesn't mean they are ......ed.

a short isn't going to blow your head off

 

[BillyWJ]

anybody can learn, just because they are new doesn't mean they are ......ed.

a short isn't going to blow your head off

A bad battery, however, will. Thanks for your input.

 

[beckdg]

straddling on the border of the fine agree/disagree line, i'm going to have to step a toe on the disagree side.

simply because it really depends on the person.

one of my original (my starter kit) atomizers was an igo-l. i'm very glad it was something i started with put me ahead of the curve and helped me decide what direction i want to go a few times. though, i also started with a viv-nova and a protank thanks to the same advice that sent me to the igo-l.

though, i do agree that without someone seeming to already be heading in that direction or having displayed a decent grasp of the concept or willingness to learn prior to blind experimentation, it would be best to err on the side of caution.

 

[RubyRuby]

As a relative beginner myself, I would like to add that if my first research into vaping had directed me in that direction I would still be smoking. Not only is that stuff confusing & intimidating, there are actually some of us that just aren't interested! If I had been given the impression that I needed to understand ohms law (?) in order to make the switch, I would have stopped right there.

 

[mare ze dotes]

I agree. But It happens. This is a forum. Some people have more common sense than others, in the way that they realize the audience to which they speak. I am over a year in and my idea of rebuilding is changing out the premade wick heads. And that is still a chore to me.

 

[boog]

A bad battery, however, will. Thanks for your input.

I've seen more reports of eGos blowing up than sub ohmers

 

[BillyWJ]

I've seen more reports of eGos blowing up than sub ohmers

Thanks for your input.

 

[alkaiser]

i'm happy i started off with mechs and rdas

building coils, ohms law, battery safety is not a hard concept. i researched and learned what i needed in an hour or 2.

some people make it sound like it's rocket science

 

[tj99959]

anybody can learn, just because they are new doesn't mean they are ......ed.

a short isn't going to blow your head off

But it not only can .... it has in the past.

Without basic knowledge of battery safety, and ohms law RBA's should in fact be left alone.
No, it isn't rocket science, but it's science none the less.

 

[vapero]

I believe that if people ask they are ready to try it, I don't see people recommending rbas to others asking questions on clearos.
I started asking when I thought I wanted an upgrade, and I got the answers I needed, if instead of those answers people told me just to stick with what I had probably I would never got what I have now.

edit: sorry I just saw a thread from a guy that was asking advice about evods and another guy told hib about rdas and coils etc.. that is bad really

 

[rob33]

Billy, a customer comes in who is 2-3 pack smoker what you going to sell him?

 

[suspectK]

If someone asks what the best tank is..I tell them, but I always recommend carto tanks or simple clearomizers, like an iclear30.

If someone asks what I'm using.. I tell them...with inclusion of what I started with and graduated up toward that direction with.

If someone asks what vaporizer and atomizer I'd choose to take with me in an apocalyptic situation...I tell them.

..and twists/spinners are so 5 minutes ago. My vv3.0 doesn't adjust my settings in my pocket. not to mention, I know a few people that almost completely turned away from vaping because of kanger quality control BS.

 

[umarbutt610]

I know I am new but theoratically i have done a lot of research and feel comfortable. On top of that, i have a colleague who has been into this for two years and have been kind enough to help me with first couple of rebuilds when i get my kayfun and chi you mod.

Sent from Android

 

[boog]

But it not only can .... it has in the past.

are you talking about the guy that charged non-rechargeable batteries?

 

[BillyWJ]

straddling on the border of the fine agree/disagree line, i'm going to have to step a toe on the disagree side.

simply because it really depends on the person.

one of my original (my starter kit) atomizers was an igo-l. i'm very glad it was something i started with put me ahead of the curve and helped me decide what direction i want to go a few times. though, i also started with a viv-nova and a protank thanks to the same advice that sent me to the igo-l.

though, i do agree that without someone seeming to already be heading in that direction or having displayed a decent grasp of the concept or willingness to learn prior to blind experimentation, it would be best to err on the side of caution.

That's my point - if someone has been posting for a while, shows they know the basics, have left the newbie forum and started digging into the others, and show/have a willingness to listen and read up on what they're doing, great - some of us have a better grasp of tools and making stuff, so it's not hard. Others, however, many of whom don't know even what an ohm is, it's a disaster waiting to happen - and being dissatisfied with the product, because they can't get it to work right.

Okay, it's analogy time. Suppose someone posts "Hey, I'd like to learn how to ride a motorcycle!". Not knowing anything about them, would you:

A. Recommend a motorcycling school, and a smaller cc bike to learn with

or

B. a 1300cc Harley custom with all the options, delivered to their door with no safety or handling instructions?


On top of that - if you are going to recommend an RBA or RDA to someone with no experience with ecig technology at all, have the decency and curtesy and common sense to link them to the blog posts and articles explaining what they are, how they work, how to use them, and how much they cost.

 

[Sucker_dad]

A bad battery, however, will. Thanks for your input.

Uhm , no it won't. If were going to be trying to get good information out there, can we please stop telling people that batteries are going to blow their heads off. Batteries will go into thermal runaway and start venting before an explosion occurs. At that an explosion would be very rare in any case. I see this mentioned several times on this forum and it does not happen like that. I don't completely disagree that rda's can be unsafe but I have no issue with suggesting them as they were to me when I first started. I was also informed about batteries and the dangers (real and mythical) of them. Thanks for YOUR input.

 

[BillyWJ]

Billy, a customer comes in who is 2-3 pack smoker what you going to sell him?

At the very least, a couple Vision spinners and a carto tank, or ProTank 2, or Evod, or iClear, or if they really want an Ego setup, one of the better quality starter kits, with a few words about backups and needing more than one battery. Worked perfectly well for me, and I was a 2-pack a day smoker. It's the 24mg juice that made a difference, I quit smoking just fine without an RDA.

 

[doots]

For those of us that started off with little 510 cigalikes 5 years ago I would agree whole heartedly with the OP that beginners need an ego and a carto or clearo.. Safety should always come first. This is for their safety. The argument that 'each person' is different and has a different learning curve just seems to me to not apply here.. Of course, this just my opinion. Shorts can cause much damage as us older members have seen and remember of cigs blowing up in peoples faces.. Not too pretty..