Please stop sweating your hardware being banned.

[ScottP]

It seems like nearly every day some new story, article, or blog triggers hundreds of posts about people worried about their hardware being scarce or even unavailable due to either a total ban or an online sales ban. Then comes all of the follow up posts about learning to build your own mech mod, stocking up on backups and batteries, toppers, coils, and wicks and such.

Yet I seriously do not know why people are worried about bans on hardware or think that they could even possibly happen. The hardware that pretty much everyone on ECF uses is neither a Food nor a Drug and therefore is out of reach for the "Food and Drug" Administration. In fact, NO government agency has the authority to regulate the hardware that we use. It would require a bill from congress, passed in both houses then signed by the president to ban the hardware that we use. The ONLY hardware that the FDA could even think about regulating are prefilled disposables and prefilled cartos. It is ONLY the nic juice that they can regulate and devices sold with it already in them. Even though the stuff in "funny cigarettes" is illegal...at least for now, you have ALWAYS been able to purchase hardware used in it's consumption such as water pipes....even online.

So really if you feel the need to stock up then the only thing that needs to be worried about is the nic juice. really there is no need to sweat the hardware. As long as people are buying it, it will still be sold.

 

[Steve803]

It seems like nearly every day some new story, article, or blog triggers hundreds of posts about people worried about their hardware being scarce or even unavailable due to either a total ban or an online sales ban. Then comes all of the follow up posts about learning to build your own mech mod, stocking up on backups and batteries, toppers, coils, and wicks and such.

Yet I seriously do not know why people are worried about bans on hardware or think that they could even possibly happen. The hardware that pretty much everyone on ECF uses is neither a Food nor a Drug and therefore is out of reach for the "Food and Drug" Administration. In fact, NO government agency has the authority to regulate the hardware that we use. It would require a bill from congress, passed in both houses then signed by the president to ban the hardware that we use. The ONLY hardware that the FDA could even think about regulating are prefilled disposables and prefilled cartos. It is ONLY the nic juice that they can regulate and devices sold with it already in them. Even though the stuff in "funny cigarettes" is illegal...at least for now, you have ALWAYS been able to purchase hardware used in it's consumption such as water pipes....even online.

So really if you feel the need to stock up then the only thing that needs to be worried about is the nic juice. really there is no need to sweat the hardware. As long as people are buying it, it will still be sold.

The attorney general in florida has been trying her hardest to have the hardware banned in florida. She has put every type of smoking device on her hit list, electronic and analog. Even menthol and flavors, siting peoples fears that kids will buy and use any and all of it.

The fear is real and i think justified as our law makers continue push to have laws passed without our acceptance or approval. The Blumberg ideology seems to be the ones in power and they are forcing their views on the masses. I taped aspirins to my cats knees and she still got pregnant. Gosh how did that happen. Lol


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[Myrany]

I sincerely hope you are right. I really do.

I just have to wonder though how many of the domestic vape shops would go out of business without internet sales or ejuice sales. It is a sobering thought.

You are of course free to handle things as you choose. For myself I make my own juice and am getting a fair supply of mechs and rebuildables. Even if they can't ban hardware who is to say they wont try and effectively shut down our ability to get such things while it works it way through court. Without ecigs I am back to smoking simple as that. I am not willing to risk it.

 

[Uncle Willie]

You might want to check with Tommy Chong on that ..

 

[tj99959]

There will be some pretty weird looking flashlights hit the shelves next month

 

[AgentAnia]

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Be prepared to work, to fight, for the outcome you believe in.

One the federal level, I'm concerned mainly with how the FDA might screw up our access to e-liquid as we know it. There are workarounds to that, though. (I don't think draconian regulations will hold up in court.) What I'm more concerned with is how state and local governments can totally screw up the business of vaping and our access to supplies. This appears to be where the ANTZ are concentrating their efforts these days, and I believe this is where we need to be vigilent.

 

[State O' Flux]

The attorney general in florida...

"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help".

 

[Bob Chill]

Hardware is the least of our worries. Nic juice is the choke. Get rid of free flowing bottled juice and hardware is rendered useless for those without an insurance policy in their freezer.

If you can't get rid of glass "tobacco" pipes you can't get rid of a pro-tank and tube mod. And there will never be a law passed than bans vaping home made zero nic juice.

One small thing in our favor is that $2B/yr industries don't go quietly. If the FDA actually does something this fall the final decision will be made in subsequent court cases. The FDA already lost one biggie in 09. They won't take any chances this time. IMO- regulations will be targeted at low hanging fruit. Hardware is a huge grey area and far from low hanging fruit.

 

[tanzmitpalmer]

The attorney general in florida has been trying her hardest to have the hardware banned in florida. She has put every type of smoking device on her hit list, electronic and analog. Even menthol and flavors, siting peoples fears that kids will buy and use any and all of it.

The fear is real and i think justified as our law makers continue push to have laws passed without our acceptance or approval. The Blumberg ideology seems to be the ones in power and they are forcing their views on the masses. I taped aspirins to my cats knees and she still got pregnant. Gosh how did that happen. Lol


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Oh Florida. Why are you so... Florida?

I thought, though, that the devices ARE banned for purposes other than tobacco use. Which is still threatening, to be honest. Catch a particularly surly officer on a particularly bad day who doesn't want to hear your rational conversation, and you've got yourself in a not so fun situation.

 

[Lombaowski]

Hardware is the least of our worries. Nic juice is the choke. Get rid of free flowing bottled juice and hardware is rendered useless for those without an insurance policy in their freezer.
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This.

Bottom line is hardware can easily be obtained in the secondary market, ejuice not so much. If vaping got to the point where you had to get your ejuice (DIY supplies included) from the black market, a lot of us would simply leave. I am 100% sure I can get a mod or an eGo battery from the secondary market with almost zero issues. Then you want to get into enforcing the use of mods in public? lol, good luck with that. People seem to think cops have nothing better to do than walk around looking for you vaping an ecig, that's simply not logical at all.

 

[Klatuso]

I don't post much but I'll put my 2 cents in here. There is alot of unreasonable thinking on this issue that is fed by fear of the government. I think we can all agree that some regulation is good. This stuff shouldn't be sold to minors and a list of ingredients would be helpful, perhaps warning labels of some kind. Probably our juice will be taxed...everything else is. But this "the government is coming for our mods!" Stuff, sorry...hype and silliness.

 

[the_vape_nerd]

I very much agree and this thread is very much needed.

What we need is some of our brilliant modding geeks to get to work on the issue. If you effers can make a .27 ohm coil and not kill yourselves in the process then you can come up with some easy DIY method of nic extraction for us.

Put down the electronics for a minute and put yer chemistry hats on already.

 

[Steve803]

Oh Florida. Why are you so... Florida?

I thought, though, that the devices ARE banned for purposes other than tobacco use. Which is still threatening, to be honest. Catch a particularly surly officer on a particularly bad day who doesn't want to hear your rational conversation, and you've got yourself in a not so fun situation.

They have been banned for use in anything but tobacco since the early 80's but the new push is to get them banned altogether. It only took her a couple of weeks to get [edit - that other stuff] outlawed and she is on a roll to make just about anything that makes people feel good, banned.


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[Iffy]

The attorney general in florida has been trying her hardest to have the hardware banned in florida. She has put every type of smoking device on her hit list. Even menthol and flavors, siting peoples fears that kids will buy and use any and all of it.

I would appreciate a link or two substantiating your comment. TIA!

 

[ScottP]

I don't post much but I'll put my 2 cents in here. There is alot of unreasonable thinking on this issue that is fed by fear of the government. I think we can all agree that some regulation is good. This stuff shouldn't be sold to minors and a list of ingredients would be helpful, perhaps warning labels of some kind. Probably our juice will be taxed...everything else is. But this "the government is coming for our mods!" Stuff, sorry...hype and silliness.

I don't mind the age limit but taxation beyond normal sales tax is NOT acceptable. But if you buy juice from a reputable vendor like Mt Baker Vapor, you do get the warning label, the ingredient list:

 

[ScottP]

I very much agree and this thread is very much needed.

What we need is some of our brilliant modding geeks to get to work on the issue. If you effers can make a .27 ohm coil and not kill yourselves in the process then you can come up with some easy DIY method of nic extraction for us.

Put down the electronics for a minute and put yer chemistry hats on already.

While I agree with you that a good extraction method is needed, you can't ask Electrical or Mechanical Engineers to do the work of a Chemical Engineer.

 

[Steve803]

I would appreciate a link or two substantiating your comment. TIA!

Here you go. They are already banned Gov Scott has already signed the bill and went into effect July 1st.
http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20130626/FSVIEW/130626013/Bill-bans-bongs-pipes-Florida

http://www.dailypaul.com/288914/insane-....-pipe-ban-signed-by-fl-governor-2-posessions-felony

http://www.policymic.com/mobile/art...orrific-bill-making-it-a-felony-to-own-a-pipe

Although the ban does not apply to tobacco use apparently you have to buy tobacco as part of the purchase. The intent is to limit the sale of all pipes.


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[Alchemy]

It seems like nearly every day some new story, article, or blog triggers hundreds of posts about people worried about their hardware being scarce or even unavailable due to either a total ban or an online sales ban. Then comes all of the follow up posts about learning to build your own mech mod, stocking up on backups and batteries, toppers, coils, and wicks and such.

Yet I seriously do not know why people are worried about bans on hardware or think that they could even possibly happen. The hardware that pretty much everyone on ECF uses is neither a Food nor a Drug and therefore is out of reach for the "Food and Drug" Administration. In fact, NO government agency has the authority to regulate the hardware that we use. It would require a bill from congress, passed in both houses then signed by the president to ban the hardware that we use. The ONLY hardware that the FDA could even think about regulating are prefilled disposables and prefilled cartos. It is ONLY the nic juice that they can regulate and devices sold with it already in them. Even though the stuff in "funny cigarettes" is illegal...at least for now, you have ALWAYS been able to purchase hardware used in it's consumption such as water pipes....even online.

So really if you feel the need to stock up then the only thing that needs to be worried about is the nic juice. really there is no need to sweat the hardware. As long as people are buying it, it will still be sold.

Good point. I didn't think of it this way.

 

[Bob Chill]

The bill didn't pass as advertised. Head shops comply by putting up signage to this extent and not sell anything to a customer who states they are going to use it for illegal purposes.

Not saying it isn't a terrible piece of legislation in any form because it is. It has no teeth though.

 

[dr g]

There could be quite a bit of regulation put on our hardware without an out and out ban. The loss of online sales could be a huge one.