Please stop sweating your hardware being banned.

[Mike Sheda]

I've spent far less on my vaping hardware and supplies in the last 6 months then i would have spent on cigarettes in the same timespan. The best part about my money spent is that it didn't got to any tobacco company and supported a small business when small business' need supporting. If i didnt have my PV i would be smoking analogs and i know that for a fact.


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True.. and except for the e-liq I have used, I still have things.... I could stop buying now and be set for quite awhile... I might not like all the e-liq I have... but I have enough to make it without spending anything more for quite a while.

 

[Steve803]

IMO we can all help by joining the CASAA. www.CASAA.org - I joined last month and subscribed to my preferred vendor on Facebook. Myfreedomsmokes.com posts links all the time to help connect people to CASAA all calls for supporting fights against local governments that are trying to ban e-cigs and vaping from their communities. I emailed Vero Beach last month when they were getting ready to vote to ban ecigs. Not saying my email was the deciding factor and i'm sure i wasn't the only one who made the effort. Everybody can help by joining the cause and sharing how vaping has changed your life.

http://blog.casaa.org/2013/08/vero-council-delays-vote-to-ban.html?m=1


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[Steve803]

Same here. I think i'm good for at least a year. I have everything including premixes, DIY juice and flavors, and wicking & coil material. I think i could rebuild my eGo-c batteries if push came to shove.

My biggest beef with all of this is that people want to take away the only thing that really works for me.


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[KjAthena]

well if worse comes to worse I can snail mail my orders for 0 nic juice and buy nic on the black market....Maybe I should order some nic to store in the freezer just in case.....My favorite vendors would have to send me catalogs(or flavor lists) and take mail orders and that may drive costs up a tad.

 

[Basnard]

At worse they could sell them with 510 flashlight heads.

 

[RBBR]

I joined CASAA yesterday( better late than never, give me a break, I'm new). I also ordered some rather large bottles and made some room in my freezer. I'm not willing to pay exhorbitant taxes on liquid, nor will BT see another dime from me.

 

[Mike Sheda]

well if worse comes to worse I can snail mail my orders for 0 nic juice and buy nic on the black market....Maybe I should order some nic to store in the freezer just in case.....My favorite vendors would have to send me catalogs(or flavor lists) and take mail orders and that may drive costs up a tad.

Not neccessarily... they could put their catalog online, and then just have you call them, or mail in an order... will just slow things down.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

This.

Bottom line is hardware can easily be obtained in the secondary market, ejuice not so much. If vaping got to the point where you had to get your ejuice (DIY supplies included) from the black market, a lot of us would simply leave. I am 100% sure I can get a mod or an eGo battery from the secondary market with almost zero issues. Then you want to get into enforcing the use of mods in public? lol, good luck with that. People seem to think cops have nothing better to do than walk around looking for you vaping an ecig, that's simply not logical at all.

Cops are the revenuers of the street, cops will cite and ticket most anything and everything they can, it is the revenue they are after, don't think any differently about it. Some things deserve summons, and others are the bad Nanny Laws...

 

[Pstarsr]

How did you guys get on cops and being hassled for having a mod?

All I have read is banning of online sales. Not laws prosecuting users, just controlling how it's purchased. Which from what im gathering is only the liquids. With nic.

Mods, batteries, atomizers, etc are not the part of the FDA realm as far as I know.

I now people that order cigars online. Can you order smokes too? I thought I heard you could. So how is liquid going to be treated different, I don't know. Plan for the worst hope for the best is good and all. But sucks as a way of going through life

*** edit *** just quickly searched "cigars online"

Thompson cigars, online store.

Disclaimer at the bottom of the web page

"Thompson Cigar - your most trusted source for cigars online and by catalog since 1915
Thompson Cigar does not sell tobacco or tobacco related products to anyone under the age of 19, nor do we sell cigarettes.
Thompson does not sell cigars to retailers of tobacco products nor does it otherwise sell or ship cigars on a wholesale basis. All cigars sold by Thompson are intended for personal consumption by its customers and resale thereof is strictly prohibited."

Why can't eliquid follow the same path?

From a cigarette online store I just found too

"The purchase of tobacco products by a minor under 18 years of age and the provision of tobacco products to a minor are prohibited by law. A minor unlawfully purchasing or using tobacco products is subject to criminal penalties. ©2003 All Rights Reserved"




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[stevegmu]

There may be age verification required, at some point. That's about it. Glasswares for smoking certain substances are freely sold online, home brew kits are sold online and tobacco is sold online; yet somehow online sales of e-nic, mods and e-cigarette devices are going to be banned? Never.

I just wish I sold e-supplies so I could make a killing off of the paranoia.

 

[RosaJ]

Sin taxes will be levied, vendors will have to get special licenses, which will in turn drive up the cost of everything ecig related. I think there will not be a ban but we'll definitely be paying more for our supplies.

 

[ScottP]

I love how this is considered a "sin" by politicians who are guilty of cheating on their wifes, sending lewd pictures of their privates to people, evading taxes, and general douche baggery to the American people.

 

[Jimmy VanZeno]

In Australia, we are not allowed to sell nicotine juice, we have to import it from overseas. We can purchase mods within Australia however all juice sold here is zero nic.

IF by some chance lets say both the EU and the USA ban online nicotine juice sales, then that dosent apply to the rest of the world. There are some great Nic Juice vendors in New Zealand and plenty of other places (eg China)....so whats the issue? Wouldnt the people of the USA and the EU just import their juice like we in Australia have to? My Juice takes around 10 days to get to me, unless I order from New Zealand, where it takes 2 days.

Unless your Governments put a total ban on the importation of nicotine juice, then hey, welcome to my world. You will survive. I do just fine.

Not quite sure I understand what all the fuss is about to be honest.

 

[DasBluCig]

I love how this is considered a "sin" by politicians who are guilty of cheating on their wifes, sending lewd pictures of their privates to people, evading taxes, and general douche baggery to the American people.

Just the type of behavior that's made the greatest nation on Earth....a laughing stock to many!!

 

[pesky_human]

It seems like nearly every day some new story, article, or blog triggers hundreds of posts about people worried about their hardware being scarce or even unavailable due to either a total ban or an online sales ban. Then comes all of the follow up posts about learning to build your own mech mod, stocking up on backups and batteries, toppers, coils, and wicks and such.

Yet I seriously do not know why people are worried about bans on hardware or think that they could even possibly happen. The hardware that pretty much everyone on ECF uses is neither a Food nor a Drug and therefore is out of reach for the "Food and Drug" Administration. In fact, NO government agency has the authority to regulate the hardware that we use. It would require a bill from congress, passed in both houses then signed by the president to ban the hardware that we use. The ONLY hardware that the FDA could even think about regulating are prefilled disposables and prefilled cartos. It is ONLY the nic juice that they can regulate and devices sold with it already in them. Even though the stuff in "funny cigarettes" is illegal...at least for now, you have ALWAYS been able to purchase hardware used in it's consumption such as water pipes....even online.

So really if you feel the need to stock up then the only thing that needs to be worried about is the nic juice. really there is no need to sweat the hardware. As long as people are buying it, it will still be sold.

Thanks for writing this. Real talk. There is a lot of alarmist sentiment on both sides of the "e-cig" debate right now, and a little logic and clear thinking is appreciated.

Aside from the connection and lack of a lightbulb, the mechanics of most mods are a battery holder, a spring, and a bit of electronics if we are talking about a regulated mod. Same as a flashlight. And yeah, I have seen the 510 flashlight attachment. Crafting a sufficiently narrow hardware ban legislation without affecting a host of other industries would be next to impossible, and for better or worse, the fact that the vaping industry is in its infancy right now is good, because the political climate doesn't make any legislation likely to pass in the foreseeable future. Congress and the President couldn't pass a bill confirming that the sky is blue and water is wet. They sure as hell aren't going to start trying to pass a bill that is nuanced enough to effectively ban PVs while still allowing the manufacture of electric toothbrushes.

Thanks again for putting this out there. It's the Wild West right now, and the involvement of the enemy, big tobacco, muddies the waters, but your state,net is 100% on point.


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[Steve803]

In Australia, we are not allowed to sell nicotine juice, we have to import it from overseas. We can purchase mods within Australia however all juice sold here is zero nic.

IF by some chance lets say both the EU and the USA ban online nicotine juice sales, then that dosent apply to the rest of the world. There are some great Nic Juice vendors in New Zealand and plenty of other places (eg China)....so whats the issue? Wouldnt the people of the USA and the EU just import their juice like we in Australia have to? My Juice takes around 10 days to get to me, unless I order from New Zealand, where it takes 2 days.

Unless your Governments put a total ban on the importation of nicotine juice, then hey, welcome to my world. You will survive. I do just fine.

Not quite sure I understand what all the fuss is about to be honest.

For me it is about freedoms we claim to have and think we should have. I'm sure we will all find a way to continue to purchase what we want even if its from overseas vendors.

It might be selfish on my part but i don't want uptight ill informed lawmakers and health-nuts telling me what to do with my body, knowing full well that water-vapor doesn't have anything close to the same health issues as tobacco. They haven't had much issue with me slowly killing myself for almost 40yrs and taking my money why do they now have a problem with me trying to save my own life?


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[Bob Chill]

I side with Steve on this one. The thought of having to jump through hoops and slide things in across the borders chaps my you know what to no end. Not to mention it's ripe for fraud and abuse. So my juice never arrives from Northern Scobobia. Who can I even complain to?

I personally don't have much of a problem with the costs doubling or even tripling. I didn't join the vapeworld to save money. I joined to save my life. My life is worth more than 50 cents a ml. Robbing my freedom of choice is the issue I can't swallow. Prefilled cartos and disposables is not an acceptable world.

 

[DarthSnoopyFish]

I remember reading here on ECF (don't ask me what thread) one rather prominent vape shop owner pointing out that internet sales made up the vast majority of his sales. If that hold true across the board then I suspect many B & Ms would end up going out of business because the loss of internet sales would take their income down to a non viable level.

Think about this for a minute. I the sale of ecig supplies and juices were banned online. Then all the e-cig users in his area would be forced to visit his storefront. They wouldn't be able to order their stuff online anymore. So really, he may miss out on his online sales, but he may just get a lot of more foot traffic.

 

[Ken_A]

Think about this for a minute. I the sale of ecig supplies and juices were banned online. Then all the e-cig users in his area would be forced to visit his storefront. They wouldn't be able to order their stuff online anymore. So really, he may miss out on his online sales, but he may just get a lot of more foot traffic.

slight mis-conception there... Online sales cover the whole earth. I doubt very seriously if I'm going to truck all the way to mt. Baker WA. To get my juice. I just don't have enough vacation to make a 7 day drive or even a costly plane trip worth my time.

 

[WCSR]

You make a trip to the Mt. Baker part of Washington...and you might not go back home. That place is f'in gorgeous.