is the government going to be able to mess with hardware??

[ad356]

i know this has probably been posted before but i was wondering if the government will be able to ban or regulate hardware. i know batteries are probably safe but do i have worry about other vaping hardware. are they going to try and mess with viva nova tanks, coils, and other tank systems? are they going to screw with the PV itself? i have a provari but i think i might buy a mechanical mod; like the smoktech bolt that my wife uses. i just bought 3 500ML bottles of 60 MG nicotine base from wizard labs, it might take them a couple of weeks to fill the order but i have more then enough to hold me over until then. i just want to be prepared if the poop hits the fan. im hoping then when the FDA prepares its "deeming regulation" that a decent judge will shoot them down yet again... but when it comes to our government, greed and money i cant count on that.

so what else do i need to stock up on? whatever i stock up on, i will eventually use it; if things do get bad i will at least be prepared.

 

[Orobas]

I'm of the opinion that it'll be like the hardware for other things, it will probably still be available. Getting a couple of rebuildables just in case won't hurt, though.

 

[Reaper0329]

I wouldn't think the hardware would be at risk. I'd be much more concerned about the juice getting targeted.

 

[tc1]

No. Hardware can always be marketed as something different to get around laws and guidelines.

Ecigs would just be marketed as "oil diffusers" or some other schtick. Happens in other industries all the time.

 

[Sikko]

They don't seem to go after the vaporizers for other things so I don't think the hardware will be a target other than possibly the cigalikes even that is stretching it.

 

[supertrunker]

Only thing they can attack or tax is the nic liquid. They have no remit to do anything else.
They cannot ban batteries - wire - or cotton without irritating every electrical engineer, granny and iPhone user in the country.

Will they regulate and tax the liquid? maybe. But the rest?? lol - people can make a mod from a box of mints and a table lamp!

T

 

[Baditude]

From what I've read, when the FDA banned e-cig products a few years ago it put most vendors out of business. Supplies were confiscated in customs. Remember that most of this stuff comes from China. Things like cartomizers, clearomizers, vivi nova tanks, and other juice carrying devices might be hard to find or to obtain. Probably a good idea to have a rebuildable or two and learn how to use it.

My biggest fear will be not being able to find nicotine e-liquid. It seems like that is the component that the FDA would be most concerned about as far as safety issues. They will either ban it or severely regulate and tax it.

There are counties here in the US where e-cigs have been recently banned. I've not read of how local vapors have dealt with this or if the local governments have been actively enforcing it or not.

With nicotine e-liquids being banned in Canada, I've read of customs enforcing the ban. Some of it gets through undetected, but who wants to take that risk?

 

[Rocketpunk]

Baditude, I trust you implicitly, and you just scared me... I'm going to buy a crap ton of nic REAL soon...

 

[grandmato5]

Its hard to gauge whats gonna happen with the hardware side of vaping without seeing exactly what the proposed regulations say. No doubt there were be stuff that flys under the FDA's radar as long as it's not specified for ecig use. There's also the question of IF the FDA has authority to regulate anything other then nic juice or cartomizers containing nic juice. We do know that regulating hardware was part of their plan when they attempted to ban ecigs in 2009 so I expect hardware to be part of whatever proposed regulations they come up.

All the APV's and RA's that we can make or rebuild ourselves shouldn't be a huge problem to obtain but all the things made in China that need to go through customs to get here could become difficult although not totally unobtainable.

Preparing for the worst while hoping for the best isnt a bad idea IMO. Just choose carefully so that if your hardware needs are still easily obtainable they will all be used by you in the future and you wont have wasted money by being cautious.

 

[Ryedan]

From what I've read, when the FDA banned e-cig products a few years ago it put most vendors out of business. Supplies were confiscated in customs.

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With nicotine e-liquids being banned in Canada, I've read of customs enforcing the ban. Some of it gets through undetected, but who wants to take that risk?

Our so called 'ban' on nic liquids in Canada is not strong enough to make it illegal to import nic. Canada Customs does occasionally stop a shipment and we end up sending it back to the supplier. I am pretty sure that if someone took Canada Customs and/or Health Canada to court they would win this fight, but no-one has yet felt strongly enough about it to spend that kind of money.

This is a similar but much less restrictive situation to what happened in the US when the FDA did its thing a few years ago and a court challenge did settle that one.

Governments have many different avenues they can pursue to encourage or discourage something including taxation, restrictive regulations, protecting our children, protecting consumers' health, protecting innocent bystanders and probably a host of other things I know nothing about. I think there could be restrictions attempted on vaping hardware but I doubt it would be restrictive enough to make it hard to get PVs for long. Having some backup will not hurt and as the OP said, it will all be used in the long run. It can also be re-sold if desired. Seems like a win-win situation to me.

 

[rockymtnrobin]

From what I've read, when the FDA banned e-cig products a few years ago it put most vendors out of business. Supplies were confiscated in customs. Remember that most of this stuff comes from China. Things like cartomizers, clearomizers, vivi nova tanks, and other juice carrying devices might be hard to find or to obtain. Probably a good idea to have a rebuildable or two and learn how to use it.

My biggest fear will be not being able to find nicotine e-liquid. It seems like that is the component that the FDA would be most concerned about as far as safety issues. They will either ban it or severely regulate and tax it.

There are counties here in the US where e-cigs have been recently banned. I've not read of how local vapors have dealt with this or if the local governments have been actively enforcing it or not.

With nicotine e-liquids being banned in Canada, I've read of customs enforcing the ban. Some of it gets through undetected, but who wants to take that risk?

I have to agree with Baditude that's what I read around here.

 

[tj99959]

Truth is we have no idea what the FDA might come up with. They may apply Chapter XI as it is, or they may revise it in some form to apply to e-cigs. We won't know until they do it. The e-cig industry was still in it's infancy in Feb of 2007, so it has the potential of being a disaster. If they turn the clock back to 2007, you had better learn how to do the tea bag modification. Lets just hope that cooler heads prevail.

 

[scalewiz]

Hardware should never be a problem. You give me some cotton yarn and some resistance wire and I guarantee you I can find a way to heat it up and vaporize something! The only problem may be nicotine. They will go after prefilled and ready-made e-juice first, since that's what is offered to most consumers. When you see that happen, it may be time to begin stocking up on nicotine. Those of us who DIY are a small portion of the market, so they will attack us last.

 

[rockymtnrobin]

Truth is we have no idea what the FDA might come up with. They may apply Chapter XI as it is, or they may revise it in some form to apply to e-cigs. We won't know until they do it. The e-cig industry was still in it's infancy in Feb of 2007, so it has the potential of being a disaster. If they turn the clock back to 2007, you had better learn how to do the tea bag modification. Lets just hope that cooler heads prevail.

Bill Godshall posted that the FDA is send a report to Congress on Monday. Also there is a link to read what power the FDA has.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...port-congress-monday-will-include-e-cigs.html

 

[Uncle Willie]

There is always a possibility that commercially available hardware could be effected .. under the concept of drug delivery device .. probably unlikely any time soon, but still a possibility ..