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Potential Canada Post Strike????

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dr.spades

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If only the NDP were in power...

Unfortunately, that may be no longer a possibility with the recent retirement of two supreme court judges. A Conservative majority supreme court may soon happen and it sickens me thinking of what this might imply.

Sorry about the off-topic but this is more related to the mention of bill C-36

2 Supreme Court of Canada justices to retire - Politics - CBC News
 

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I'm going to side with the postal workers in this.

Canada Post continues to earn record profits. In fact, for more than 15 years in a row they have never lost money; in all that time, they've continuously made a profit. In 2010, their profits were almost $300 million. Yet instead of sharing any of this wealth with the people that made their profits possible, or (heaven forbid) even maintaining the status quo & letting the employees keep what little they have...

...they actually want huge concessions from their employees. How would you feel if you worked hard at a job that includes a lot of physical labour (carrying heavy mail, all over the city, day after day) - only to have your bosses come in & say the following:

"Hey there! Well, we made almost $300 million last year in profits, as the direct result of your labour. Now we don't want to give any of it to you, not one thin dime...and we're certainly going to give whopping bonuses to all of us here at the top. But we do want to cut your benefits, rights & pay to even less than you have now. Significant cuts, in fact. That alright with you?"

Those postal workers have every reason to say "um...no" to such baloney. This is one of those cases where a union is actually serving its intended, ideal purpose: to prevent the unfair exploitation of the workers.

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These people have a hard job, carrying all that mail all over the place day after day. They're good people. And they don't deserve to be exploited...which is clearly what the upper management would like to try & do.

Consider: there hasn't been a national postal strike since 1997. And yet during the last 4 years, while the most recent negotiated agreement was in place...the company has shown little interest in maintaining a good relationship with its employees. It has pushed to make working conditions more difficult than before. They've recently made changes to the sorting & carrying procedures that slow the system down & excessively burden our mail carriers. But despite this baloney...these good people still show up, do their job to the best of their ability, & often with a friendly smile.

Now that the last 4-year agreement is up, Canada Post is feeling greedy. Consider: letter-carrying postmen or postwomen make about $50k a year, on average. As of 2008, the CEO makes nearly half a million dollars, with allowances for a 33% bonus. That works out to potentially more than double what the Prime Minister of Canada makes in a year. And this pay rate has almost certainly risen: unfortunately, the actual figures have to be obtained through an Access to Information request...which are processed at a speed comparable to molasses in winter (& with as much cooperation & transparency as you'd expect from someone you have to legally force to tell you something...i.e. very little).

From 2005 through mid 2010, Moya Greene was the CEO of Canada Post. She now has a job with the UK's Royal Mail, with a "basic salary" of £500,000. That's $791,000 Canadian. Obscene. And it's fat cats like this, with record profits for the company in one hand, who want to squeeze the lowly workers & their families ever more tightly with the other. I think that so far, the union & its members are being far more gracious & patient towards Canada Post than it deserves.

If a strike happens, Canada Post is directly to blame - not your local postman or postwoman.

Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!
 

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actually fedex now charges an exhorbitant brokerage fee. it used to be just a gas surplus. I was a team driver for gs raqcing and shipped all my kits and such up fedex. just before xmas I was shipped a couple packages (2 different orders) from fg supply in cali by fedex. they didn't charge me the fees at the door, they sent me a letter after the fact to collect brokerage fees. quite high too. I wrote them back to say they were off their nut trying to charge me more money when both orders they screwed up and my package(s) did merry-go-round in cali. they picked up, took to warehouse, took back to shipper, took back to warehouse etc and it took over a month to get here and they wanted an additional $75.

now in the end I had to pay, because it's in the shipper's contract that if I don't pay, the shipper does. the shipper is someone I use a lot and I didn't want to screw them. now they have taken fedex ground off their international choices. I buy a lot of stuff from abroad. dhl i use to get my germany shipments here. and I get stuff here faster from germany than I do ontario (hobbytek vs advance hobby), almost twice as fast and I don't pay much more shipping. the parts are cheaper.
 

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I'm going to side with the postal workers in this.

Canada Post continues to earn record profits. In fact, for more than 15 years in a row they have never lost money; in all that time, they've continuously made a profit. In 2010, their profits were almost $300 million. Yet instead of sharing any of this wealth with the people that made their profits possible, or (heaven forbid) even maintaining the status quo & letting the employees keep what little they have...

...they actually want huge concessions from their employees. How would you feel if you worked hard at a job that includes a lot of physical labour (carrying heavy mail, all over the city, day after day) - only to have your bosses come in & say the following:

Been there done that, went on stress leave, EI and now being sponsored to go to school. Unfortunately this is Canada. It happens everywhere. Retail is a big B when it comes to mismanagement of staff, taking advantage of employees, working them to death, for little money. I did it for 5 years and now am having to take a year off just to recoup. It is happening all over Canada in all sorts of jobs. I worked 30 days in a row. 14 hour days alot of times, having to come in on my days off, no stat holidays..heck I didn't even get 2 days off in a row! Cuz I was manager. One story out of millions. Nope, sorry I don't feel sorry for them. Labour board can't help them. Unions suck, if they don't like the way they are treated within the means of the law, then suck it up, and get out.
 

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Unions suck, if they don't like the way they are treated within the means of the law, then suck it up, and get out.

I could write 100 pages on self employment along the same lines. The vacation chapter would start with 30 days in a row at 14 hours a day of work. Which I'm sure would get trumped by someone who wants to work and has been out for work for a long time. None of this has anything to do with postal workers negotiating a fair contract.

Life isn't easy, we all work hard, but that isn't an excuse to knock another person in the same shoes as you. The "I work just as hard as a postie and make 5K a year less so they don't deserve more" attitude puts smiles on the faces of all the fat cats. As us little people fight each other, revoking our support of our fellow workers, the fat cats can do as they please and line their pockets. Profits have to go somewhere. the laziest worker deserves more than a rich shareholder who does nothing, but collects more than someone who is actually working, in dividends.

The productive way to deal with an issue like this, is to support you fellow worker. Support them get a better deal, a deal they deserve because the profits where make of their back. Then when they do get a better deal, you use that when you negotiate your salary and raises. Tell your boss you work as hard as a postal worker and want the same deal, if you don't get it, you'll go work for the post office. That approach is good for all workers, good for you and bad for the fat cats.

Remember the biggest negotiation and only negotiation tool you have to get a pay raise, is your ability to leave to another job at a greater rate of pay. Your employers' goal is to pay you least amount possible to keep you there, and be somewhat productive. If other's salaries are not going up, or even worse going down with less benefits, you can be darn sure yours is headed in the same direction..
 
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All I can say on that is good luck. The world doesn't work like that, not in Canada, not through the labour board, not even through occupational health and safety. The postal workers are getting greedy if you ask me. Management isn't breaking the laws. But they want more, everyone always wants more of somthing. Sorry but I have no sympathy here and I certainly am not going to agree to this strike. It's ridiculous.
 

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The shareholder of Canada Post is the government, profits from the company go to them.

Now if I ran my own company and made a 1 million profit after tax, that money is mine. I'm sure you will agree that money was made from my hard work and I should be able to spend it however I feel fit. If the government were to take the money from me so I wouldn't receive it, I'm again sure you would agree that is outright theft.

What we have at Canada Post is a group of people who have worked to achieve a profit of $281 million. Rather than this profit being divided between those that made it (like me at my business) there is a manager who decided to give it all away, to the government. Isn't that the same thing as my example above? The fruit of everyone's labor is given away…

The postal workers are not asking for the profits they made, they are simply asking to maintain the benefits they had, while creating that profit. Clearly the company can make money while paying its workers, so why shouldn't it continue to do so? The only answer to that question is, because the government is not happy making $281 million off the backs of their workers, they want MORE (GREED)and they want to take it out of the pockets of those who already are giving them a huge check.
 

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HMMMM....good point. I think the postal workers need to form their own govt..No but seriously, Canada Post has been around for eons, and this is not the first strike. This one they are talking about is for the betterment of the workers, and yes everyone should be able to keep their benefits. But in all actuality, they are only trying to piss people off by going on strike. I for one would rather the workers hire a lawyer, as a group, and keep working so we don't have to miss out on our boba's bounty that is coming to me shortly, or my ebay garb I bought for my cats, or even me sending cheques to you guys for underground products!
 

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You'll be happy to know that the workers want to strike much less than even you want them to.

Strikes are the last resort of negotiations, after the negotiators, arbitrators, lawyers all have exhausted all options.

An example where you would strike. Management will not budge. They offer what they offer and refuse to negotiate in good faith. That is when a strike occurs.

A strike is not a gun to anyone's head. If it were that powerful, the workers would be striking to make $100/hour and a 2 hour work week.. Things don't work that way.

A strike is more often a sign of poor management, rather greedy workers.

Take for example GM auto workers. In their last contract they took drastic cuts to both pay and benefits. Why didn't they just strike? Its because you can't get blood from a stone, if the company isn't making money it isn't reasonable to ask for more money and a strike will do nothing in that case. A strike is only used when you have a greedy company, making a greedy profit off their workers work, unwilling to negotiate.
 

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I just had some stuff come in from the USA and the duty was astronomical. UPS seems to own the USA when it comes to shipping. I paid for $32 worth of stuff and the duty was 25.11 and the shipping was $9. was worth more then the dang product. It is non vape related product but still, ship it ground mail man.
 

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Just an FYI, as far as I understand, if the package is in the system, and they decide to strike, that package will be delivered as normal. If however the package arives in the postal system AFTER the strike, it will NOT move until the strike is over, and you can be sure that there will be a HUGE backlog if they do strike!

So if you are getting stuff, do it NOW before the stike is official.
 

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Well Canada Post is not exactly known to do some smart things around here. First they closed the local sorting stations so if I mail a letter to go two or three streets away, it travels to London to get sorted and then sent back here. It usually takes longer to get local mail then out of town stuff. (4 to 5 days for that letter, BTW)

then two years ago they sent us a letter explaining that with the shifting population they would be consolidating some routes. So our morning delivery will be in the afternoon. "Shifting population?" Where? We still have the same amount of houses in the area and the same vacancy rate. Same thing with the area they consolidated us with. I think it was a stupid excuse to just combine the routes. The one good thing that happened is that we got a really nice mailman out of it. :)

I did put an order in for some juice to have just to be on the safe side. Been through some long strikes in the past.
 

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I can't remember the last time I've taken the side of a union on contract disputes, it's not that I'm against them but I guess my philosophy is more free market than most people. This is especially the case when it comes to postal workers who hold the Canadian people hostage every few years. If they are only paying their CEO half a million, that's total chicken feed for a job this big, it's also chicken feed for our PM as well, you get what you pay for. Talk of the workers divvying up the company's profits is also nonsense, in any business the owners get to keep that, although in this case since it's owned by the government they should reduce their prices so that they aren't for profit and we as the public should be benefiting here.

Having said all that, if what's being said on here is true, and to be honest I'm not up on the issues here to say too much, then I can't blame postal workers for being upset and not wanting to agree to cuts in times of prosperity for the company. Even if the company was losing money, they need to raise their rates before they contemplate doing something like this. I believe this behavior is called being an Indian giver.
 

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Been there done that, went on stress leave...

...Unions suck, if they don't like the way they are treated within the means of the law, then suck it up, and get out.

How can you say "suck it up, and get out" after having taken "stress leave"? Is that not the opposite?
 

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I just had some stuff come in from the USA and the duty was astronomical. UPS seems to own the USA when it comes to shipping. I paid for $32 worth of stuff and the duty was 25.11 and the shipping was $9. was worth more then the dang product. It is non vape related product but still, ship it ground mail man.


That is so odd. I have a PO box number that my stuff is shipped to, and I order across the border and overseas all the time. I have not paid once for duty! Not once! Not kidding either. They always seem to mark it as a gift or somthing.

I have never had to pay any duty either! A couple of times I've noticed that shipments were marked "gift" and other times as "merchandise" accompanied by an exemption code.
 

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I deal with like 5 different unions where I work, and I also see all the leave of absences. I’m pretty jaded when it comes to “stress leaves” and the like. Doctor’s will sign off on anything. Not that I ever judge an individual for their leave. It’s just the trend I find discouraging. When 10% of your workforce is on leave at any given time, you can’t help but feel something is rotten with the system.

And FYI, “stress” is never a valid reason for a leave of absence. We all experience stress. The term is “anxiety.”
 

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I deal with like 5 different unions where I work, and I also see all the leave of absences. I’m pretty jaded when it comes to “stress leaves” and the like. Doctor’s will sign off on anything. Not that I ever judge an individual for their leave. It’s just the trend I find discouraging. When 10% of your workforce is on leave at any given time, you can’t help but feel something is rotten with the system.

And FYI, “stress” is never a valid reason for a leave of absence. We all experience stress. The term is “anxiety.”

My girlfriend's office is in their busiest season, and are run off their feet because they can't fire someone, or hire a different employee, because someone went on "stress leave".

So now everyone else is going to be even more overworked and even more stressed because one girl couldn't suck it up and get out.
 
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