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Potential Canada Post Strike????

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rolandpibb

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Yeah but it’s tough to judge one person. For all we know that person’s daughter recently died in a car accident. Then again maybe they’re just lazy and are at home eating Cheetohs and watching Rachael Ray.

True. However, I don't agree with the method. If you're "stressed out", find a new job. Don't leave your fellow employees to pick up your slack.
 

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Doctor’s will sign off on anything.

I'll let you in on the whole doctor note thing, as explained to me by a doctor friend.

Doctors get fed up having their time wasted playing "attendance officer" for companies. Most short time sickness that you might require a note for are not sickness that require the attention of the doctor. Both the doctor and the patient know this, the sole purpose of the visit is to get a note, hence the doctor is forced to be the attendance officer.

The solution to this for this doctor is he write a note saying "Mr. Smith came to me complaining that he is sick. He said his head hurt.." Basically all he is doing is writing down everything the patient told him, without offering his own opinion. Most companies are stupid enough to accept this, making the joke on them.

Attendance issue are a company problem, not the problem of a doctor in are already stretched thin Health Care System.
 

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Talk of the workers divvying up the company's profits is also nonsense, in any business the owners get to keep that.

Why is that nonsense? The person who did the work reaps the rewards, makes sense to me.

They way the system is now, I can buy shares in a company, and without lifting a finger or putting one foot in the door, I more entitled to the profits more than the person who actually worked to make the profit? Does that really make sense? That is a better system? Maybe to Buffet..

You are going to say, well you invested your money, you deserve your dividends. Well the worker has invested their life, I'd say that trumps money.

Truth is there needs to be a balance between to two. Decent companies that you want to work for like Google, IBM ect already know this. They offer profit sharing, stock purchase options while paying a competitive salary even at the expense of the bottom line. Leach companies like Walmart don't, its all about the bottom line no matter the cost.

Where does Canada Post fall? At one time in the past it was at the respectable end of the scale. Where is it now? I can't say, but you can see the direction it is headed.
 

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the only people nowadays that win in a strike is the union rep cuz they are the only ones to make money. the worker may take years to make back what they lost in wages, which is about the time the new contract is up

Then they only have themselves to blame for voting for a strike when there isn't enough to gain. They also have themselves to blame for electing an idiot for a union rep.
 

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the only people nowadays that win in a strike is the union rep cuz they are the only ones to make money. the worker may take years to make back what they lost in wages, which is about the time the new contract is up

And those reps often spin the truth in order to get the employees worked up. The workers almost never actually understand the issues at hand. And as a corporate employee, you're pretty much not allowed to speak to the employees directly regarding the issues. It's all done through the union. It's that sort of disconnect that spawns low morale. The workers get half truths and are expected to make serious decisions concerning their employment.

I'm not anti-union though. They have their place. It's just that it's sometimes quite an exploitive situation. Making mountains out of mole hills, so to speak.
 

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And as a corporate employee, you're pretty much not allowed to speak to the employees directly regarding the issues. It's all done through the union. It's that sort of disconnect that spawns low morale. The workers get half truths and are expected to make serious decisions concerning their employment..

I can see your point. Manangement is always the voice of truth and looking out for the works best interest. Yeah right.. ;)
 

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oh I understand unions well. I have been a member, and at one point I was shop steward. Unions have their place, or maybe had, but at times it protects the wrong people. I know we couldn't fire guys that needed to be gone (drunk on jobsites etc). I've been in a company that offered the employees more money (higher than the union jobs were paying) just to keep them out.
 

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oh I understand unions well. I have been a member, and at one point I was shop steward. Unions have their place, or maybe had, but at times it protects the wrong people. I know we couldn't fire guys that needed to be gone (drunk on jobsites etc). I've been in a company that offered the employees more money (higher than the union jobs were paying) just to keep them out.

That's about the only thing I can think of that I can point the finger at and say "I don't think that's right" about unions. Why would you not be allowed to can a drunk? Working in a trade with a drunk guy on your crew could very well mean your life.. I don't understand under what basis they are protected, I guess. You fail a piss test = fired seems pretty straightforward to me.

Other than that, I'm glad unions exist. Ever read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle"? What a horrible experience it would have been, working back then..
 

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That's about the only thing I can think of that I can point the finger at and say "I don't think that's right" about unions. Why would you not be allowed to can a drunk? Working in a trade with a drunk guy on your crew could very well mean your life.. I don't understand under what basis they are protected, I guess. You fail a piss test = fired seems pretty straightforward to me.

Other than that, I'm glad unions exist. Ever read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle"? What a horrible experience it would have been, working back then..

But alcoholism is a disease.

Yeah, the only disease you can get yelled at for having.
 

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I know we couldn't fire guys that needed to be gone (drunk on jobsites etc). I've been in a company that offered the employees more money (higher than the union jobs were paying) just to keep them out.

It is a complete fallacy a union member cannot be fired.

If someone is neglectful in their job, and the company can prove it, they can be fired, union or not.

Union member get fired everyday.

The one thing the union offer is protection, so the company MUST support its termination of the employee and not do it on a whim. Non union workers don't have this right as they don't have the power to defend themselves.

Drinking on the job.. Question is why.. If the working conditions are so bad it drove someone to drinking, doesn't the company hold some responsibility? Issue like that must be looked into before terminating an employee.

Union members are fired every day.
 

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yup, we just had to move them to a new site. they got 3 strikes, then a reprimand, then a temp dismissal without pay, then you could fire them.

wow dude, I give you props and you call me a liar... nice guy. but truth is I did the job and have been in the situation, so you make that statement based on opinion
 
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