Pre-vet workshop thread

[AttyPops]

I was just surprised jj.

As far as inside or outside the welcome thread sub-forum... that's not what I was worried about. The question is "should participation in the PVT be a requirement for anything contest related?"

 

[jj2]

I was just surprised jj.

As far as inside or outside the welcome thread sub-forum... that's not what I was worried about. The question is "should participation in the PVT be a requirement for anything contest related?"

That I leave up to you guys.

 

[whiskey]

Now we are getting some where...I have some things to do...back later!

 

[AttyPops]

Yeah Whis. We have a consensus:

TomCatt is a cheapskate.

The other stuff is still open.

 

[TomCatt]

Yeah Whis. We have a consensus:

TomCatt is a cheapskate.

The other stuff is still open.

Not cheap skate, I was po'; me an' me bruthers had ta wear ma sister's hand-me-downs Weren't too bad, 'cept when we had to dress-up

 

[morri]

Yeah Whis. We have a consensus:

TomCatt is a cheapskate.

The other stuff is still open.

you forgot....... morri is still confused.

lolol

 

[tiburonfirst]

let's all remember we are 1/2 year through the contest

 

[AttyPops]

let's all remember we are 1/2 year through the contest

OK Tibby. We'll remember. Now...

What do we do about that? Hmmmmm?

 

[morri]

ok I have a couple of questions.

I understand that "the contest" is a big contest and a big deal.
I also understand that you can enter this contest in other ways. (?) like the mini contests.
so, the question I have is this...

If the restriction to be eligable for the big contest has been lifted if a non-vet who is about to turn, does not show up on time, etc....
Why does anything else need to be changed?

 

[morri]

I believe the part that I am having trouble understanding is the....opening of the thread part.

 

[AttyPops]

I don't know that it does. The timing thing was my biggest concern.

The other thing that is causing confusion is that at 1st, PVT participation was how you got into the contest... in other words...the contest was a PVT contest. Now, it's open (I think?), so .... IDK. I bunch of us dropped out of the whole contest thing a while back when we were told we couldn't make any changes and just had to deal with the confusion. Not to trudge up old stuff, but to clarify, we've been "out of it" too.

 

[AttyPops]

I believe the part that I am having trouble understanding is the....opening of the thread part.

Yeah. Which leads to this (in part):

...snip... The question is "should participation in the PVT be a requirement for anything contest related?"

We open the welcome threads for the pre-vets.... if they come to us for PVT celebrations and/or welcome thread. They could also have a buddy-vet open a thread for them, without participating in "our group" of PVT people/process.

 

[tiburonfirst]

OK Tibby. We'll remember. Now...

What do we do about that? Hmmmmm?

we tweak but don't abandon all previous requirements....

 

[morri]

They could also have a buddy-vet open a thread for them, without participating in "our group" of PVT people/process.

WHY? That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[tiburonfirst]

ok I have a couple of questions.

I understand that "the contest" is a big contest and a big deal.
I also understand that you can enter this contest in other ways. (?) like the mini contests.
so, the question I have is this...

If the restriction to be eligable for the big contest has been lifted if a non-vet who is about to turn, does not show up on time, etc....
Why does anything else need to be changed?

morri, the original idea behind the contest was to encourage participation in prevets .....

 

[AttyPops]

I didn't say it made sense. That's the way it is now (I think). "We" allowed others to open welcome threads outside of the PVT group. Water under the bridge.

I think.

There's probably some history to it that I'm not privy to.

What matters is: "Can it change? Should it?"

 

[jj2]

Yeah. Which leads to this (in part):


We open the welcome threads for the pre-vets.... if they come to us for PVT celebrations and/or welcome thread. They could also have a buddy-vet open a thread for them, without participating in "our group" of PVT people/process.

WHY? That makes no sense whatsoever.

The contest is for people who will turn Vet this year.
Prevet is for those who want to celebrate the event.

Just because they don't want to participate in the latter should not eliminate them from the first.

Next year, if there is another contest, I've suggested to jOker that the Vet opening the thread should be allowed to enter the contest too.
This opens it up to all Vets and gets rid of something that caused some ill feelings at the beginning. It probably still does.
But next year, if it happens, is a discussion for later.

 

[morri]

OK, let me sort this out for myself and then I am going to log for a bit.

1. I don't like the idea that if someone is late for their party, the will not be eligible for the contest entry. GLAD that is changed.

2. If I understand the forum at all, (and I might not) then I or anyone else could open a thread to celebrate anything. I could open one to celebrate what cool people we have at pre-vet. I fail to see what bearing that has on this forum and/or entry to the contest.

3.In my opinion, a pre-vet must still at least "show-up" for their turning or some time thereafter and accept the welcome to vet thread provided, in order to be eligible for the contest entry. Any parties they have outside of pre-vet should have nothing to do with what we do here.

anyway, that's how I see it. Because I know you all wanted to know my opinion.

morri

 

[Katya]

so, one last chime in....

I don't feel comfortable commenting on specific wording til we have agreement on what we want.

My opinion is that the reward of hanging out in pvt is meeting new people and celebrating. I think the turnees enjoy it on it's own merits. If it's not fun, and not sustainable on it's own merits then it can fade away. I've said this elsewhere before, but to me the two-tiered system, or even a PVT requirement feels like paying someone to play with us (and even as a kid i never enjoyed having to pay people to be my friend ) . That said, i do hear the concerns about having committee members there for a now-show turning, and i know it's been a problem. I don't really know the answer.

(ETA: wow i missed a bunch while i was typing....all valid concerns, especially the policing part- though there have only been 5-10 non-pvt or self-started welcome threads.)

Good morning, Committee! And congratulations! Things are looking up!

All good points. Really! And valid.

We will not agree on everything right off the bat, so let's not rush to change anything untill we've thought everything through and reached a consensus, which will take probably a couple of days. Let's do it right this time.

I have a few comments. I do agree with CES--let's keep it as simple as possible--we don't need to bribe anyone to come play with us. We're too awesome for that.

But we have to have rules in order to avoid total chaos.

1) It's OK for any vet to open any prevet's welcome thread, but it has to be in the New Vets welcoming section of the VIP--we don't want to look all over the place for those threads.

2) The prevet or the prevet's sponsoring vet have to introduce themselves in the PVT--briefly, if they are shy. Nobody needs to write an essay, but everyone is required to say" hi my name is so and so and I'm going to be a vet soon." We can take it from there. This way we will know that the person is eligible for the contest. This will also provide us an opportunity to chat them up and offer an avatar party, with or without a theme, at the time of their turning or at a time of their choosing.

I feel very strongly about 1 and 2.

The issue still to be decided is, if I understand it correctly, the eligibility for the mini contests and the grand contest. I'm for allowing everybody who completed 1 and 2 to be eligible for all contests, but I'm willing to go with the majority ruling. So if there is a vote, or something, in case we can't agree by acclamation, my vote goes to "let them all in if they completed 1 and 2 and have their thread opened."

Whew!

 

[morri]

The contest is for people who will turn Vet this year.
Prevet is for those who want to celebrate the event.

Just because they don't want to participate in the latter should not eliminate them from the first.

OK, but didn't Joker offer the pre-vets the chance for their party pre-vets to have an additional chance/entry to the contest as an incentive for people to come to our parties? And if so, then it should eliminate them from the first. right?

or..........maybe I am not understanding how it went. I was not here.