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Quite a successful day around here. And this post is far happier than the post that I left last night. : )
I have stayed on for the contest---to keep it running. I will abide by whatever is decided when watching the contest entry thread….…no more said since it would bring in that pesky history again. 8-o
When Whiskey and Tib announced that they were leaving, I spoke up because everyone was hurting. I’m glad the conversation after that post has proceeded as it has so the new won’t be saddled with the past.
Whiskey will be forever be remembered as the person who started the PreVet thread.
None of this would have been successful without the work of those who volunteered their time and I’m sure the new that are taking the helm will make it even better.
It’s been a pleasure to make suggestions during this time and until the transition is complete.
I will limit mine to the contest and I'm sure Whiskey and Tib will keep on helping until this is all gift wrapped.
Soon Whiskey and Tib will join in the ranks of participants in the PreVet thread. I don't think they plan on disappearing though and will hopefully pitch in if needed to keep the thread moving and help celebrate upcoming events. Even throw a suggestion in now and then.
Here is one from me for this upcoming vote for the contest (Sort of a right of passage): If Whiskey and Tib are willing to leave the final vote on the conditions of the contest to the New Committee, so am I.
Atty you are doing a great job as spokesperson during the transition. Good luck to you all!!!
I have stayed on for the contest---to keep it running. I will abide by whatever is decided when watching the contest entry thread….…no more said since it would bring in that pesky history again. 8-o
When Whiskey and Tib announced that they were leaving, I spoke up because everyone was hurting. I’m glad the conversation after that post has proceeded as it has so the new won’t be saddled with the past.
Whiskey will be forever be remembered as the person who started the PreVet thread.
None of this would have been successful without the work of those who volunteered their time and I’m sure the new that are taking the helm will make it even better.
It’s been a pleasure to make suggestions during this time and until the transition is complete.
I will limit mine to the contest and I'm sure Whiskey and Tib will keep on helping until this is all gift wrapped.
Soon Whiskey and Tib will join in the ranks of participants in the PreVet thread. I don't think they plan on disappearing though and will hopefully pitch in if needed to keep the thread moving and help celebrate upcoming events. Even throw a suggestion in now and then.
Here is one from me for this upcoming vote for the contest (Sort of a right of passage): If Whiskey and Tib are willing to leave the final vote on the conditions of the contest to the New Committee, so am I.
Atty you are doing a great job as spokesperson during the transition. Good luck to you all!!!
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JJ posted>It’s been a pleasure to make suggestions during this time and until the transition is complete.
I will limit mine to the contest and I'm sure Whiskey and Tib will keep on helping until this is all gift wrapped.
We are not leaving as you so put it, but are here reconsidering what we do as options for bettering Pre-vets are being discussed in here.
Don't write us off yet, I saw what you did there.....
I will limit mine to the contest and I'm sure Whiskey and Tib will keep on helping until this is all gift wrapped.
We are not leaving as you so put it, but are here reconsidering what we do as options for bettering Pre-vets are being discussed in here.
Don't write us off yet, I saw what you did there.....
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good morning! frannie - no worries 
before we move on to our discussion:
prevets, the thread, has never operated under the principle of ''final vote'' - it was always a group effort. if that principle had carried through to other business in january we'd not be here. some of us were not given a vote, period.
enough .......
before we move on to our discussion:
prevets, the thread, has never operated under the principle of ''final vote'' - it was always a group effort. if that principle had carried through to other business in january we'd not be here. some of us were not given a vote, period.
enough .......
our priority, atm, is having j0ker understand how it works now
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it. no strings attached ....
this is without controversy but most of us favor an additional requirement. namely, to have either the prevet or sponsoring vet stop by pvt briefly to let us know about their intentions. this would ensure we won't overlook any welcome thread and it can be added to our list.
2. avatar party - this entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contest and the grand prize. the prevet has to attend his turning at the exact, software-generated time. a failure to attend and post before and after the turning takes away the entry for the grand prize only.
this is our problem. people turn at all kinds of hours, day or night. and this rule has put substantial pressures on the team, feeling obligated to be online for the prevet. it also does not consider a prevet's obligations and circumstances in the rw.
this is where we stand. now my own personal opinion. to me, the highlight of a turning is watching the prevet's title change. without that, there's not much fun. i'd like any prevet rewarded, as before, with an entry to the grand prize drawing if he/she takes the time out to celebrate with us. but, for our and the prevet's sake, i'd like the flexibility to postpone a turning without penalty.
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it. no strings attached ....
this is without controversy but most of us favor an additional requirement. namely, to have either the prevet or sponsoring vet stop by pvt briefly to let us know about their intentions. this would ensure we won't overlook any welcome thread and it can be added to our list.
2. avatar party - this entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contest and the grand prize. the prevet has to attend his turning at the exact, software-generated time. a failure to attend and post before and after the turning takes away the entry for the grand prize only.
this is our problem. people turn at all kinds of hours, day or night. and this rule has put substantial pressures on the team, feeling obligated to be online for the prevet. it also does not consider a prevet's obligations and circumstances in the rw.
this is where we stand. now my own personal opinion. to me, the highlight of a turning is watching the prevet's title change. without that, there's not much fun. i'd like any prevet rewarded, as before, with an entry to the grand prize drawing if he/she takes the time out to celebrate with us. but, for our and the prevet's sake, i'd like the flexibility to postpone a turning without penalty.
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that was mostly meant for j0ker, and for the team to consider. as was mentioned in april by j0ker, and with cause, it's never good to make drastic changes midstream.
i could live with that for the rest of the year, especially since we'll be working on sharing more of the logistics as a team after we bring this to a conclusion.
i could live with that for the rest of the year, especially since we'll be working on sharing more of the logistics as a team after we bring this to a conclusion.
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Tibs, that's an accurate summary of my understanding of the discussion and consensus so far.
If everyone else will comment only on your summary, without adding new ideas ATM, we might be able to count responses and find that we actually have a consensus (cause it's pretty much what several people have posted in the past few days).
(which makes my vote yes)
I'd be willing to accept the requirement of at least a fly-by in PVT.
I don't feel as strongly that the avi party requirement for the grand prize is necessary. However, I'd be willing to retain it AS LONG as there is flexibility to schedule the log-in/turning time without penalty.
If everyone else will comment only on your summary, without adding new ideas ATM, we might be able to count responses and find that we actually have a consensus (cause it's pretty much what several people have posted in the past few days).
(which makes my vote yes)
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Joker asked for two things:
1) A summary (cliff note) of how it works now.
2) A summary (cliff note) of how we want it to be.
IMO we need a 3rd note that explains how "turning" works and how we delay the turning if the pre-vet wants to schedule it for a particular time. It's the forum software's method of changing a person's status that causes confusion.
Tibby: I'd add:
0) the pre-vet has to find the PVT some way and post/say "hi" and this gets the conversation going.
Also there are two types of welcome threads... themed and unthemed (default theme from Meggers... )
Somewhere it has to say something like "Once they become a veteran, they go to the contest thread and post a link to their URL...."
1) A summary (cliff note) of how it works now.
2) A summary (cliff note) of how we want it to be.
IMO we need a 3rd note that explains how "turning" works and how we delay the turning if the pre-vet wants to schedule it for a particular time. It's the forum software's method of changing a person's status that causes confusion.
Tibby: I'd add:
0) the pre-vet has to find the PVT some way and post/say "hi" and this gets the conversation going.
Also there are two types of welcome threads... themed and unthemed (default theme from Meggers...
)Somewhere it has to say something like "Once they become a veteran, they go to the contest thread and post a link to their URL...."
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atty, i'm sure j0ker is familiar with the software. look at his remark as to a mod is needed to provide us with the exact times
Please give him what he asked for. Or get clarification of what he wants. Thanks!
Two cliff notes summarizing the process. The process includes the timing changes, however you want to work that in. Doesn't have to be a 3rd note.
What we have so far is a great start and a partial result. It will evolve into the response. So... good start Tibby!
Two cliff notes summarizing the process. The process includes the timing changes, however you want to work that in. Doesn't have to be a 3rd note.
What we have so far is a great start and a partial result. It will evolve into the response. So... good start Tibby!
our priority, atm, is having j0ker understand how it works now
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it. no strings attached ....
this is without controversy but most of us favor an additional requirement. namely, to have either the prevet or sponsoring vet stop by pvt briefly to let us know about their intentions. this would ensure we won't overlook any welcome thread and it can be added to our list.
2. avatar party - this entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contest and the grand prize. the prevet has to attend his turning at the exact, software-generated time. a failure to attend and post before and after the turning takes away the entry for the grand prize only.
this is our problem. people turn at all kinds of hours, day or night. and this rule has put substantial pressures on the team, feeling obligated to be online for the prevet. it also does not consider a prevet's obligations and circumstances in the rw.
this is where we stand. now my own personal opinion. to me, the highlight of a turning is watching the prevet's title change. without that, there's not much fun. i'd like any prevet rewarded, as before, with an entry to the grand prize drawing if he/she takes the time out to celebrate with us. but, for our and the prevet's sake, i'd like the flexibility to postpone a turning without penalty.
This is what we should be doing in here now.
So lets take a count on Tibs summary for J0ker and nothing else ATM
Please copy/Past with your vote, the following:
Yes-Whiskey
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it. no strings attached ....
this is without controversy but most of us favor an additional requirement. namely, to have either the prevet or sponsoring vet stop by pvt briefly to let us know about their intentions. this would ensure we won't overlook any welcome thread and it can be added to our list.
2. avatar party - this entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contest and the grand prize. the prevet has to attend his turning at the exact, software-generated time. a failure to attend and post before and after the turning takes away the entry for the grand prize only.
this is our problem. people turn at all kinds of hours, day or night. and this rule has put substantial pressures on the team, feeling obligated to be online for the prevet. it also does not consider a prevet's obligations and circumstances in the rw.
this is where we stand. now my own personal opinion. to me, the highlight of a turning is watching the prevet's title change. without that, there's not much fun. i'd like any prevet rewarded, as before, with an entry to the grand prize drawing if he/she takes the time out to celebrate with us. but, for our and the prevet's sake, i'd like the flexibility to postpone a turning without penalty.
This is what we should be doing in here now.
So lets take a count on Tibs summary for J0ker and nothing else ATM
Please copy/Past with your vote, the following:
Yes-Whiskey
our priority, atm, is having j0ker understand how it works now
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it. no strings attached ....
this is without controversy but most of us favor an additional requirement. namely, to have either the prevet or sponsoring vet stop by pvt briefly to let us know about their intentions. this would ensure we won't overlook any welcome thread and it can be added to our list.
2. avatar party - this entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contest and the grand prize. the prevet has to attend his turning at the exact, software-generated time. a failure to attend and post before and after the turning takes away the entry for the grand prize only.
this is our problem. people turn at all kinds of hours, day or night. and this rule has put substantial pressures on the team, feeling obligated to be online for the prevet. it also does not consider a prevet's obligations and circumstances in the rw.
there is, and always has been, an easy solution to this. if a prevet, or our team, cannot be online at the software-predicted turning time, the turning can be postponed by the prevet by not logging into ecf until everybody is in place to celebrate.
this is where we stand as of now.
now my own personal opinion. to me, the highlight of a turning is watching the prevet's title change. without that, there's not much fun. i'd like any prevet rewarded, as before, with an entry to the grand prize drawing if he/she takes the time out to celebrate with us. but, for our and the prevet's sake, i'd like the flexibility to postpone a turning without penalty.
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it. no strings attached ....
this is without controversy but most of us favor an additional requirement. namely, to have either the prevet or sponsoring vet stop by pvt briefly to let us know about their intentions. this would ensure we won't overlook any welcome thread and it can be added to our list.
2. avatar party - this entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contest and the grand prize. the prevet has to attend his turning at the exact, software-generated time. a failure to attend and post before and after the turning takes away the entry for the grand prize only.
this is our problem. people turn at all kinds of hours, day or night. and this rule has put substantial pressures on the team, feeling obligated to be online for the prevet. it also does not consider a prevet's obligations and circumstances in the rw.
there is, and always has been, an easy solution to this. if a prevet, or our team, cannot be online at the software-predicted turning time, the turning can be postponed by the prevet by not logging into ecf until everybody is in place to celebrate.
this is where we stand as of now.
now my own personal opinion. to me, the highlight of a turning is watching the prevet's title change. without that, there's not much fun. i'd like any prevet rewarded, as before, with an entry to the grand prize drawing if he/she takes the time out to celebrate with us. but, for our and the prevet's sake, i'd like the flexibility to postpone a turning without penalty.
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Please give him what he asked for. Or get clarification of what he wants. Thanks!
Two cliff notes summarizing the process. The process includes the timing changes, however you want to work that in. Doesn't have to be a 3rd note.
What we have so far is a great start and a partial result. It will evolve into the response. So... good start Tibby!
done - see above
how it works now....
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )
2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time that they joined, any deviations from the original timing results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.
IMO, it's not very different from what we're going toward.
(summary of Tibs 1&2)
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. The proposed change is that we require it to come through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT
2. currently under discussion is whether we retain this: avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, but with flexibility to schedule the turning time without penalty
what it appears to be coming down to is the primary thing that we've asked all along- flexibility to postpone the turning time. However, we need people to comment on the proposed changes so that we can tell j0ker what we want
(tibs, you posted your summary while i was typing mine, and i used 7 fingers to type)
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )
2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time that they joined, any deviations from the original timing results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.
IMO, it's not very different from what we're going toward.
(summary of Tibs 1&2)
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. The proposed change is that we require it to come through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT
2. currently under discussion is whether we retain this: avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, but with flexibility to schedule the turning time without penalty
what it appears to be coming down to is the primary thing that we've asked all along- flexibility to postpone the turning time. However, we need people to comment on the proposed changes so that we can tell j0ker what we want
(tibs, you posted your summary while i was typing mine, and i used 7 fingers to type)
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