Pre-vet workshop thread

[Katya]

OK. So it's not a "2nd grand prize". It's a different (additional) drawing with a small prize for attending avatar parties. An "Avatar Party participant" drawing. The Grand Prize is open to everyone with the welcome thread created prior to turning per whatever rules that I'm not sure I want to try to duplicate here.

You'll still have the same eligibility complaints on the AP-Drawing. What if they were late? How open is it? How about people in the 1st 6 months. So we have to settle those issues.

As whiskey pointed out, you'll never make everybody happy. We were supposed to come up with new rules because we couldn't cope very well with the old ones. This is a nice start, IMO. We can iron out some wrinkles later on, but let's not overthink things too much....

Anyway, I cast my vote..

Take it away.

I can't think anymore... Gotta get some sleep.

 

[AttyPops]

I cast my vote a few pages back.

So we did't go with Tibby's "what if they show up but didn't schedule a party?" solution? Like Ever did it.
That's OK. I just wanted to be sure. Also I think we may have to talk about wording just a touch. However for the general idea, my vote was (to repeat) a YES.

I reiterate I'd rather have a "bonus entry" into the already very open G.P. contest as a "carrot" for Avatar Party Attendance. Simple. Still have to identify them, but we have to identify them for the AP-Drawing/Bonus-Drawing too.

 

[CES]

Atty, the current parameters for the bonus drawing follows what the majority of those who indicated a preference preferred. that is attendance at avi party, which is defined as and attendance at the moment of (scheduled or rescheduled) turning. there no penalties for rescheduling turning times. ( i personally interpret the latter to mean that however the committee works it with the individual in questions is fine- the time limit for rescheduling relates to the ability of the turnee to remain logged off for that given time period.)

(BTW , i also interpret turning in 2012 literally- that the title shows up in 2012 whether the person joined in 2011 and meets the time criteria and post criteria in 2012, r whether the person joined in 2008 and meets the post criteria in 2012. I'm not throwing this up for discussion atm- it's a side issue that probably needs to be clarified, but not till after we have the basics down. I just but wanted to get it in for the record, since i'd seen other posts talking about this aspect. )

 

[CES]

I cast my vote a few pages back.

So we did't go with Tibby's "what if they show up but didn't schedule a party?" solution? Like Ever did it.
That's OK. I just wanted to be sure. Also I think we may have to talk about wording just a touch. However for the general idea, my vote was (to repeat) a YES.

I reiterate I'd rather have a "bonus entry" into the already very open G.P. contest as a "carrot" for Avatar Party Attendance. Simple. Still have to identify them, but we have to identify them for the AP-Drawing/Bonus-Drawing too.

got it. so you're good with it as is, but prefer what I've been identifying as the backup option si?

 

[CES]

Sleep well katya!

thank all y'all for hanging in there with this. we still need to hear from Fran, Starry and Morri (and MarkFM, and anyone else who has a comment) about the bonus contest option that is currently on the table.

Time for me to get ready to work.


y'all

 

[AttyPops]

As whiskey pointed out, you'll never make everybody happy. We were supposed to come up with new rules because we couldn't cope very well with the old ones. This is a nice start, IMO. We can iron out some wrinkles later on, but let's not overthink things too much....

Anyway, I cast my vote..

Take it away.

I can't think anymore... Gotta get some sleep.

With all due respect.... I'm not over thinking it. I'm asking a valid question... how did that solve the problem? You still have the same set of problems... just called them "Bonus Entry" rather than "Grand Prize".

Sure the G.P. is now very open. Good. Any points of contention have just moved to the Bonus Drawing. I'm not against the bonus drawing. However we need to solve the problems. Just saying "You can't make everyone happy" could have been said about 100 pages back regarding the G.P.

I guess what I'm saying... we're here because we had problems with the way it was. We opened up the grand prize quite a bit. Good. (We haven't really discussed any issues with the monthly prize eligibility...if any).
But instead of leaving it at that, we created a Bonus Drawing that has the same problems that we started with. It's tied to Avatar Parties and timing. Or did we solve all those issues?

So... get some sleep. Maybe I'm just stupid and don't understand. The bonus drawing still requires us to be up a 3:00 a.m. and for them to be there at the turning (or reschedule and not log in), and for jj to have to make all those "you were or wern't on time" decisions and marking threads...and...and...what about exceptions...and...and...

 

[FranC]

I go with the flow here.....Have no time............

 

[Katya]

Thanks, Atty and CES.

I am strongly in agreement with Mark's argument that a bonus drawing sounds much more attractine than a bonus entry. If we want to make them feel special, they should have their own drawing--if a t all possible. Extra entry sounds just... unappealing...

I'm about to crash...

 

[FranC]

OK to make myself clear. Tib and I have agreement so whatever she decides is good with me. Gotta go....BBL

 

[Katya]

With all due respect.... I'm not over thinking it. I'm asking a valid question... how did that solve the problem? You still have the same set of problems... just called them "Bonus Entry" rather than "Grand Prize".

Sure the G.P. is now very open. Good. Any points of contention have just moved to the Bonus Drawing. I'm not against the bonus drawing. However we need to solve the problems. Just saying "You can't make everyone happy" could have been said about 100 pages back regarding the G.P.

I guess what I'm saying... we're here because we had problems with the way it was. We opened up the grand prize quite a bit. Good. (We haven't really discussed any issues with the monthly prize eligibility...if any).
But instead of leaving it at that, we created a Bonus Drawing that has the same problems that we started with. It's tied to Avatar Parties and timing. Or did we solve all those issues?

So... get some sleep. Maybe I'm just stupid and don't understand. The bonus drawing still requires us to be up a 3:00 a.m. and for them to be there at the turning (or reschedule and not log in), and for jj to have to make all those "you were or wern't on time" decisions and marking threads...and...and...what about exceptions...and...and...

Atty--if you read back--we touched on all those points.

Everyone with a welcome thread is eligible for both the grand and the monthlies--so there are lots of opportunities to win something--for everybody who participates.

And since the proposed bonus drawing is really just gravy--because everybody has all those contests they can enter--the pressures of administering the avatar parties and the fear that someone deserving a chance will be excluded are eliminated. I said that repeatedly--it's pure gravy, it's a bonus chance to win an extra prize just for playing with us. All they need to do to qualify is to turn in front of our eyes and be present at that time--they can arrange the time as they wish--as long as they turn with us, they are good. And if they miss their chance, no biggie--they have the other contests.

jj's duties do not change one bit--why would that constitute a hardship for her now? She's been doing fine until now... Why would that be a problem, all of a sudden??? As a matter fact, she'd have less to do now; since all threads are eligible for the monthlies and the grand prize, she would only need to mark the turnings--less work, not more.

 

[tiburonfirst]

OK, so this is what we need a simple up and down vote for. I think.

So far we have:

Yeas

CES, Whiskey, Tom, Katya

Nays

???

what, my vote didn't count???????????????????????????

 

[CES]

With all due respect.... I'm not over thinking it. I'm asking a valid question... how did that solve the problem? You still have the same set of problems... just called them "Bonus Entry" rather than "Grand Prize".

Sure the G.P. is now very open. Good. Any points of contention have just moved to the Bonus Drawing. I'm not against the bonus drawing. However we need to solve the problems. Just saying "You can't make everyone happy" could have been said about 100 pages back regarding the G.P.

I guess what I'm saying... we're here because we had problems with the way it was. We opened up the grand prize quite a bit. Good. (We haven't really discussed any issues with the monthly prize eligibility...if any).
But instead of leaving it at that, we created a Bonus Drawing that has the same problems that we started with. It's tied to Avatar Parties and timing. Or did we solve all those issues?

So... get some sleep. Maybe I'm just stupid and don't understand. The bonus drawing still requires us to be up a 3:00 a.m. and for them to be there at the turning (or reschedule and not log in), and for jj to have to make all those "you were or wern't on time" decisions and marking threads...and...and...what about exceptions...and...and...

I get your points Atty.

I think we did come to a consensus on welcome threads....that is : The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT. Threads must be started prior to turning and cannot be self-started. We're very close to also agreeing that all welcome threads that meet those criteria are eligible for the GP drawing.

You're not wrong about the problems with the GP drawing moving to the bonus drawing...it's a compromise that makes the potential complain pool smaller is all.

Currently, of people indicating a preference. 3 want to require presence at the moment of turning, 2 are willing to give 15 minute leeway. others didn't indicate a preference, (i didn't indicate one cause i was voting that there be no avi party requirement) . However, everyone agreed that the parties could be rescheduled without penalty. Yeah, its still a PIA to reschedule... but beats being up at 3am.

 

[CES]

what, my vote didn't count???????????????????????????

I have it now...didn't then
current vote count for: all eligible welcome threads entered in monthly AND GP drawings, special bonus drawing for those who attended (scheduled or rescheduled) avatar parties (specifics of "attended" timing to be determined)

Yes: CES, Katya, Whiskey, TomCatt, Tibs, Atty (though he prefers the second choice option) (tibs is voting Fran's proxy, so that's a yes for Fran)

 

[tiburonfirst]

OK to make myself clear. Tib and I have agreement so whatever she decides is good with me. Gotta go....BBL

 

[tiburonfirst]

atty - this is just a little extra for those who hang with us. everybody gets into the monthly drawings and the year end grand prize drawings.

i believe j0ker said he had so many donations he might come up with some more categories himself.

 

[tiburonfirst]

off topic - @ mark - no reply yet

back to cleaning i go - laterzzzz!

 

[CES]

OK, so.....

this is the basics of what we have unless there are strenuous objections from those who haven't had a chance to chime in yet.


what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet an entry in the monthly contests and the year –end grand prize drawing. Eligible threads will started in the new vets forum prior to turning. The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT. Threads must be started prior to turning and cannot be self-started

2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing.

(in practice this means that threads marked -- are eligible for the GP drawing, only ++ (or threads are eligible for the bonus drawing)

(if joker can't add a bonus drawing, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice option).

Vote count:
Yes:
CES, Katya, Whiskey, TomCatt, Tibs, Atty (though he prefers the second choice option) (Tibs is voting Fran’s proxy so that’s a Yes vote for Fran)

No: none so far

and now I'm really off to do the work that i actually get paid for

 

[AttyPops]

I get your points Atty. ... snip...
You're not wrong about the problems with the GP drawing moving to the bonus drawing...it's a compromise that makes the potential complain[t] pool smaller is all.

Still ya CES....

 

[tiburonfirst]

we are awaiting nat, morri and starry

now i'm really gone!

 

[Katya]

what, my vote didn't count???????????????????????????

Didn't want to be presumptuous...

Back to edit my post--and since Fran says she votes with you, I'm adding her to the list...

Never mind...

Thanks, CES!

y'all