Pre-vet workshop thread

[AttyPops]

In the last sentence of the 1st paragraph, the "I" in "as far as I know" should be changed to a "we". Don't want to randomly switch into 1st person singular.

"I think it's defined as" should be "we think..." in the "biggest issues" part.

Also, "I assume there is some form of grievance process" should be "We", or the sentence eliminated. (Doesn't provide any input).

I don't know that the summary was really intended for "formal submission to j0ker". It was a summary in this thread. However, I don't have problems including it as long as everyone reviews it thoroughly. I don't want to bias anything with the summary... it was just my way of organizing what I was hearing from the group.

The 1st sentence... change it to:
"The pre-vet thread (PVT) is for people that have not turned but will turn soon."

What about the "joined in 2011" that I saw you guys talking about before? I don't think it applies (I don't remember if we threw a party for anyone that scheduled one that didn't join in 2011 ... like for low post count people) but I'm not sure.

I'm beginning to like the "Operation Yellow Bird" option more and more.... find a way to include everyone. Or maybe we can create a "Post-Vet Thread" (not abbreviated PVT tho!) so that they could party with us too if they already turned. As explained, doesn't affect the contest as the contest people choose to define it.... they can still open it up or not... as they define the contest and don't necessarily tie it to us.

 

[AttyPops]

Not done yet jj. But see a few posts above and please comment....including my proposed changes. As far as "seeing" it... it's right there on the same page my dear!

 

[CES]

Atty, go ahead and edit it to be correct- I posted it without quotes to hand off to you. since i knew there was stuff you wanted to add, but wasn't sure what it was.

I agree that a a subforum is an option..but i was thinking of a workshop subforum, and leave the actual PVT thread in general. I'd rather go to google docs than move the PVT thread to a subforum. IMO it would be redundant to have individual celebration threads on a subforum outside the vets, and individual threads in the new vets welcome forum.

 

[tiburonfirst]

In the last sentence of the 1st paragraph, the "I" in "as far as I know" should be changed to a "we". Don't want to randomly switch into 1st person singular.

"I think it's defined as" should be "we think..." in the "biggest issues" part.

Also, "I assume there is some form of grievance process" should be "We", or the sentence eliminated. (Doesn't provide any input).

I don't know that the summary was really intended for "formal submission to j0ker". It was a summary in this thread. However, I don't have problems including it as long as everyone reviews it thoroughly. I don't want to bias anything with the summary... it was just my way of organizing what I was hearing from the group.

The 1st sentence... change it to:
"The pre-vet thread (PVT) is for people that have not turned but will turn soon."

What about the "joined in 2011" that I saw you guys talking about before? I don't think it applies (I don't remember if we threw a party for anyone that scheduled one that didn't join in 2011 ... like for low post count people) but I'm not sure.

nope - turning in 2012 is all that's needed. we had quite a few low count peeps showing up, lol - shoe and meggers being the most notorious .....

and i'm off!

 

[AttyPops]

I didn't say move the thread CES!

 

[AttyPops]

We have to either eliminate the "mechanics needed" comment, or fill it in. And jj needs to fill that part in (at least for what she does).

Why do I have to edit it when I spent all the time typing it?

 

[AttyPops]

Tibby. You dropped off "Operation Yellow Bird"! Gasp!

 

[CES]

cause i keep getting it wrong?

I didn't think you said anything about moving the thread- i just wanted to be very clear.

 

[CES]

Ok, with Attys edits from above.....(but did not add joined in 2011)


all we need is a single person to PM joker, with a link to say, hey, take a look at this, this is what we came up with.


Summary so far

The pre-vet thread (PVT) is for people that have not turned will turn soon. Hence "PRE-vet". It was that way before there was a contest. It's still that way. We do often post congrats messages if someone pops in after turning (like a polite "congrats to you!") but we don't schedule any parties or, as far as we know, open any PVT welcome threads for them.

That's why we're writing this up this way.... it's from a pre-vet perspective.
If you want to "open the contest to anyone that turns in that month" go ahead. We cannot comment on what you do with the contest. We can comment on what we do with pre-vets and how it may relate to the contest... giving our opinions.

So, you could decide to open up the contest by using something other than a pre-vet welcome-thread. However, our pre-vet welcome threads are used for our purposes within the thread.

There are others that open their own welcome threads. Still others have threads opened by other vets. (we think). OK. jj2 accepts those (with conditions, IDK). I'm not sure we need to comment on it much. We have, as points of discussion, considered how we could make welcome threads after the fact and/or hold an avatar party after the fact. Out of fairness to those we have already turned down in the last 5/6 months....we'd like to keep PRE-vet thread creation (by us, by request of the pre-vet) as "prior to turning" for what we do.

However that doesn't limit the contest... unless you tie it to our process exclusively. So if you want to open it up ...fine by us.

Things that created the most problems for us:
Grand Prize entry requiring pre-vet presence at a particular turning time (I think it's defined as earliest-possible-turning-time = 365 days after their join date/time at the next 25 minutes after the hour)...and it could not be rescheduled.

We've suggested that Grand Prize not be tied to avatar parties. An end-of-year bonus drawing is an additional "perk" for those that attend an avatar party in the PVT. It's a small incentive to encourage participation and get people to check out the PVT. Still clarifying that one. The scheduling is more open. Our understanding is that the forum won't "turn" them if they don't log in. So we use that to re-schedule the turnings with the pre-vet's help (by their not logging in until a mutually agreed upon prearranged time).


We'd like to know what the complaints are now, if any, so we can make sure we attempt to address them if they pertain to us.


how it works now....

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )

2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time they will turn into ecf vets, times provided by classy, any deviations from the original timing or absence during the turning results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.


what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests and the year –end grand prize drawing. Eligible threads will started in the new vets welcome forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet. The welcome thread request shouldcome through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT by either by the sponsoring vet or the prevet . Threads must be started prior to turning in the new vets' welcome forum and cannot be self-started

2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing. (mechanics not yet defined, but may require posting within a give time frame prior to and after the scheduled turning time)

new wording
(in practice this means that threads marked -- are eligible for the GP drawing, however only ++ threads are eligible for the bonus drawing. We'd like to have an amnesty, meaning that all that welcome threads started from from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, but marked with -- are eligible for the grand prize drawing, and all welcome threads, from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, marked with ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing

(if adding a bonus drawing is not an option, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice).

 

[CES]

Has there been anymore done on the revisions. If so could I see.

If done, when does jOker look at them?

latest version is above. j0ker can look at them whenever he chooses I suggest that one person (atty ) PM joker with a link to the summary post.

You may have additions/clarifications to the "what we have now" section

I have to go water very thirsty plants...see ya'll later

 

[tiburonfirst]

my final read-through

Ok, with Attys edits from above.....(but did not add joined in 2011)


all we need is a single person to PM joker, with a link to say, hey, take a look at this, this is what we came up with.


Summary so far

The pre-vet thread (PVT) is for people who have not turned but will turn soon. Hence "PRE-vet". It was that way before there was a contest. It's still that way. We do often post congrats messages if someone pops in after turning (like a polite "congrats to you!") but we don't schedule any parties or, as far as we know, open any PVT welcome threads for them.

That's why we're writing this up this way.... it's from a pre-vet perspective.
If you want to "open the contest to anyone turning in the current month" go ahead. We cannot comment on what you do with the contest. We can comment on what we do with pre-vets and how it may relate to the contest... giving our opinions.

So, you could decide to open up the contest by using something other than a pre-vet welcome-thread. However, our pre-vet welcome threads are used for our purposes within the thread.

There are others who open their own welcome threads. Still others have threads opened by other vets. (we think). OK. jj2 accepts those (with conditions, IDK). I'm not sure we need to comment on it much. We have, as points of discussion, considered how we could make welcome threads after the fact and/or hold an avatar party after the fact. Out of fairness to those we have already turned down in the last 5/6 months....we'd like to keep PRE-vet thread creation (by us, by request of the pre-vet) as "prior to turning" for what we do.

However that doesn't limit the contest... unless you tie it to our process exclusively. So if you want to open it up ...fine by us.

Things that created the most problems for us:

Grand Prize entry requiring pre-vet presence at a particular turning time (I think it's defined as earliest-possible-turning-time = 365 days after their join date/time at the next 25 minutes after the hour)...and it could not be rescheduled without penalty.

We've suggested that the Grand Prize not be tied to avatar parties. An end-of-year bonus drawing is an additional "perk" for those that attend an avatar party in the PVT. It's a small incentive to encourage participation and get people to check out the PVT. Still clarifying that one. The scheduling is more open. Our understanding is that the forum won't "turn" them if they don't log in. So we use that to re-schedule the turnings with the pre-vet's help (by their not logging in until a mutually agreed upon prearranged time).


We'd like to know what the complaints are now, if any, so we can make sure we attempt to address them if they pertain to us.


how it works now....

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )

2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time they will turn into ecf vets, times provided by classy, any deviations from the original timing or absence during the turning results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.


what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests and the year –end grand prize drawing. Eligible threads will started in the new vets welcome forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet. The welcome thread request shouldcome through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT by either by the sponsoring vet or the prevet . Threads must be started prior to turning in the new vets' welcome forum and cannot be self-started

2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing. (mechanics not yet defined, but may require posting within a give time frame prior to and after the scheduled turning time)

new wording
(in practice this means that threads marked -- are eligible for the GP drawing, however only ++ threads are eligible for the bonus drawing. We'd like to have an amnesty, meaning that all that welcome threads started from from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, but marked with -- are eligible for the grand prize drawing, and all welcome threads, from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, marked with ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing

(if adding a bonus drawing is not an option, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice).

 

[CES]

Ok. I saved a copy with your edits Tibs.

I'm not going to repost it right now, since yours is right there

 

[AttyPops]

Summary so far

The pre-vet thread (PVT) is for people that have not turned ECF veteran and will turn soon. Hence "PRE-vet". It was that way before there was a contest. It's still that way. We do often post congrats messages if someone pops in after turning (like a polite "congrats to you!") but we don't schedule any parties or, as far as we know, open any PVT welcome threads for them.

That's why we're writing this up this way.... it's from a pre-vet perspective.
If you want to "open the contest to anyone turning in the current month, or whatever you define" go ahead. We cannot comment on what you do with the contest. We can comment on what we do with pre-vets and how it may relate to the contest... giving our opinions.

So, you could decide to open up the contest by using something other than a pre-vet welcome-thread. However, our pre-vet welcome threads are used for our purposes within the thread.

There are others who open their own welcome threads. Still others have threads opened by other vets. (We think.) OK. jj2 accepts those (with whatever conditions if any). We're not sure we need to comment on it much. We have, as points of discussion, considered how we could make welcome threads after the fact and/or hold an avatar party after the fact. Out of fairness to those we have already turned down in the last 5/6 months....we'd like to keep PRE-vet thread creation (by us, by request of the pre-vet) as "prior to turning" for what we do.

However that doesn't limit the contest... unless you tie it to our process exclusively. So if you want to open it up ...fine by us.

Things that created the most problems for us:
Grand Prize entry requiring pre-vet presence at a particular turning time (we think it's defined as earliest-possible-turning-time = 365 days after their join date/time at the next 25 minutes after the hour)...and it could not be rescheduled without penalty.

We've suggested that Grand Prize not be tied to avatar parties. A new end-of-year bonus drawing is added as an additional "perk" for those that attend an avatar party in the PVT. It's a small incentive to encourage participation and get people to check out the PVT. We're still clarifying that one. The Avatar Party scheduling is more open. Our understanding is that the forum won't "turn" them if they don't log in. So we use that to re-schedule the turnings with the pre-vet's help (by their not logging in until a mutually agreed upon prearranged time).

We'd like to know what the complaints are now, if any, so we can make sure we attempt to address them if they pertain to us.


how it works now....

1. welcome thread - (entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests.) All that is needed to get a welcome thread is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )

2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time they will turn into ecf vets (365 days after their join date/time to the minute, at the next 25 minutes past the hour...since that's when the checking process runs), times for our published list are provided by a moderator due to the pre-vet's request for participation, any deviations from the original timing or absence during the turning results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.


what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests and the year–end grand prize drawing. This is not the only way they could enter, depending on what the contest people decide to do (out of our scope). Eligible threads are started in the new vets welcome forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet. The welcome thread request should come through the PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in the PVT by either by the sponsoring vet or the prevet . Threads must be started prior to turning in the new vets' welcome forum and thus cannot be self-started

2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing. (mechanics not yet defined, but may require posting within a give time frame prior to and after the scheduled turning time) Also note that the welcome thread is marked ++ if they showed up within whatever time frame is decided upon.

new wording<-- why is this here, or what does it mean?
(in practice this means that threads marked -- are now eligible for the GP drawing, however only those marked ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing. We'd like to have an amnesty, meaning that all that welcome threads started from from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, but marked with -- are eligible for the grand prize drawing, and all welcome threads, from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, marked with ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing

(if adding a bonus drawing is not an option, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice).

Green = Verify, and do we need this?
Red = I think it needs to change.
Blue = my changes to CES's copy above (not tibby's)

Tibby... I 've included your changes (but check me). The 1st "but" change I omitted (it is an "and" not a "but"

 

[AttyPops]

Dang it tibby and CES! Now all three of us are editing! Everyone STOP! Freeze! Hold! We're about to clobber each other's edits!!!!

 

[tiburonfirst]

laterzzzzz!

 

[CES]

I'm not editing anymore- just saving a copy of the edited version

the 'new wording' comment was to show that i's changed something.

Do we really have to be this picky about the exact wording at this point? Depending on j0ker's feedback we may have to change stuff, or tweak what's going to be posted as the FAQs...but i think we have the main points?

 

[AttyPops]

CES. You did a fantastic job. Thank you.

As far as picky goes... I have no idea. But if I'm reading it, I'm editing. Why be half-Geoff'ed about it? Do it or don't

I incorporated Tibby's changes above now too. CES wasn't editing, just copying, so np.

Tibby, I'm sorry. I didn't know you were editing while I was....Soooooo... I'll ask you to have patience and re-read so I didn't either stomp on your changes nor conflict with them. Unavoidable to require your comments again. If it's OK, I'll post for the rest of the group. Still want the red stuff in my post fixed by this group though....as they are unfinished items.

 

[CES]

(((hugs)))We've all done a fantastic job.

I saved a clean copy that (most likely) has all the changes indicated in your corrected post above.

and i'm really gone for awhile now

Laterzzzzz

 

[tiburonfirst]

only if you leave my geoff out of it!

and i was concentrating more on grammar than anything else at this point! i always go ''ouch'' when there is a ''that'' where there should be a ''who''

i'll be back a little later .......

 

[AttyPops]

Before I repost I have to ask (logically):

Were there any welcome threads, created in the new-vet welcome sub-forum, by another vet outside of the PVT process (or even inside for that matter) that were created after the vet turned? If so, did/do they qualify for the G.P. drawing and/or monthly contests?

This pertains to the "how it works now" part.