Precise ELA Telescoping Mod by Super-T!

[latinochillin]

Hello, I too have an ELA on the way and can't wait. David's products are always top notch !

I have been reading on this thread there are a few questions about rba's and battery safety. This is an important question. I made the post bellow in a different thread and thought I would post it here in case it can help anyone

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I am familiar with battery care and personally wouldn't use anything other than AW IMR's for genesis devices. However, I'm still a bit confused on what is considered to be a safe discharge current and how this translates to the coils we are making. (The information used for the question bellow can be found here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html )

According to what I have been reading, the critical factor for ecig use (besides the battery type/care) is the C rating (discharge current) in amps. With this in mind I have come up with the numbers bellow. Please let me know if they are accurate and thanks again.

AW IMR 18650 1600 mAH - Max continuous discharge rate: 10 C (Max drain rate in amps is C in mAh / 1000 x C rating)
1600 x 10 / 1000
In this case the max rate is: 16 amps

AW IMR 18500 1100 mAH - Max continuous discharge rate: 10 C
1100 x 10 / 1000
In this case the max rate is: 11 amps

AM IMR 18350 700 mAH - Max continuous discharge rate: 8C
700 x 8 / 1000
In this case the max rate is: 5.6 amps

How I think the information above translates to the way we set up our coils and my main question is outlined bellow. (the calculator used http://www.the12volt.com/ohm/ohmslawcalculators.asp)

If we use a fresh 18500 1100 mAH battery to set up a 1.1 coil, it would appear we are using best judgment and within the safety precautions realm. Is that correct or am I missing something ?

Freshly charged 18500 1100 mAH - 4.2 Volts
Coil Resistance 1.1
Max rate - 11 amps

Current = Voltage / Resistance - 4.2 Volts / 1.1 Ohms = 3.818 Amps - This is well within the 11 amps Max rate for this battery.

Just want to make sure I am not missing anything here. Most of us are fighting to kick the cigarette habit for good, and e-cigs are a great way to do it. At the same time, all this wealth of information can become overwhelming and with batteries so close to our face we need to be as correctly informed as possible. We need to fight the good fight together. This is a great forum and thanks for all the help

 

[Wharf Rat]

I thought this was pretty interesting. One of the modders built a mod using a Nevel chip, it counts actual vaping time. Using a 100mAh batt they vaped most of the day and it showed 18 minutes of actual vaping.

 

[Wharf Rat]

I am in know way knowledgable enough in this arena but it seems to jive with what I've read as well....... with one caveat. In your final calculation, I would think you'd need to use voltage under load as opposed to unloaded.

 

[ukeman]

Hey Wharf! long time...
I think the point here is to show that given the question is more pointedly a concern for SLR vaping... you would have much more draw than conventional LR, SR, HR vaping... so take the extreme and see what the batt can do.
These ELA (and some other high end mechanicals used for SLR Genesis atomizers) have optimized contact points to minimize voltage under load.

I am in know way knowledgable enough in this arena but it seems to jive with what I've read as well....... with one caveat. In your final calculation, I would think you'd need to use voltage under load as opposed to unloaded.

 

[ukeman]

That reminds me, since a mechanical device has no low voltage battery sensor, and us SLR vapers are cranking so hard, is it bad for the batt to over discharge?
If so it would mean it would be better to have more frequent batt changes to be on the safe side...?

 

[anavidfan]

Numbers , numbers, I really have no idea what they all mean, but from what I see I think its means it is going to be amazing. I just cant wait to get in it in my hands, put my Kick in it, place my Odysseus on it filled with my favourite juice and take a long slow inhale.

Im not a super low resistance vapor. I make my coils to about 2.5 - 2.9 set my kick to 8.5 watts and its perrrfect to me.

 

[Wharf Rat]

Hey Wharf! long time...
I think the point here is to show that given the question is more pointedly a concern for SLR vaping... you would have much more draw than conventional LR, SR, HR vaping... so take the extreme and see what the batt can do.
These ELA (and some other high end mechanicals used for SLR Genesis atomizers) have optimized contact points to minimize voltage under load.

It has been Uke

I think with any resistance there is load drop and there is much less on Super T mods than others. On Snork's review of the SW, he was getting 0.19 to 0.29v load drop depending on what atty he used. So for Chillin's calculations I still think you have to use under load. That said, using no load will keep your calculations on the high side of Amp draw and safety.

Using Chillin's numbers no load and under.

4.2v @ 1.1Ω = 16w @ 3.8amp

3.91v @ 1.1Ω = 13.89w @ 3.5amp

 

[KiloWatts]

Just ordered six AW IMR batteries in 18350, 18500, and 18650 sizes. Ready!

 

[wongster360]

Here's another dripping RBA that I'm liking really a lot. It's designed specifically for use with flat ribbon wire called The Immortalizer. 4 wraps will give you between .9 - 1.1ohms and hits really nice. It's quickly becoming my favorite on the P+18650. I'm continually amazed at the higher quality Vape this setup provides vs. some of my other mods. I may have to have a sale soon

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[guy^]

the immortalizer is a philippine made atomizer right? its nice to hear that you like it.

 

[t8kiteasy]

Here's another dripping RBA that I'm liking really a lot. It's designed specifically for use with flat ribbon wire called The Immortalizer. 4 wraps will give you between .9 - 1.1ohms and hits really nice. It's quickly becoming my favorite on the P+18650. I'm continually amazed at the higher quality Vape this setup provides vs. some of my other mods. I may have to have a sale soon

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Hey,which dripper is that?? I do not recognize it from the pics and what is the size of the airhole if you don't mind me asking???

 

[Freckle]

Hey,which dripper is that?? I do not recognize it from the pics and what is the size of the airhole if you don't mind me asking???

That is the immortalizer by Chief Vapers Pat from the philippines. Probably stock airhole. Neat set up cause the airhole is underneath the coil which sits in a chamber like set up. Very nice dripper!

 

[Dominicanto]

Hoping to join the Super-T clan with my first mech mod purchase (figured I'd wait and go big and the ELA is pretty big).

Just a simple question regarding the pre-order (apologies if this has already been asked and answered): how long will we have until we can pre-order? After that, is the price expected to go up?

Thanks and it really looks like it will be an amazing device. Good luck with the rest of the process, Dave!

 

[Blix]

Hoping to join the Super-T clan with my first mech mod purchase (figured I'd wait and go big and the ELA is pretty big).

Just a simple question regarding the pre-order (apologies if this has already been asked and answered): how long will we have until we can pre-order? After that, is the price expected to go up?

Thanks and it really looks like it will be an amazing device. Good luck with the rest of the process, Dave!

You can pre-order right now: Super T ~ ELA

 

[wongster360]

That is the immortalizer by Chief Vapers Pat from the philippines. Probably stock airhole. Neat set up cause the airhole is underneath the coil which sits in a chamber like set up. Very nice dripper!

That's exactly right. This was purchased off a list but soon will be more readily available in the US. It has 2 air holes on the outer cap which I don't think are even 1mm in size. Air is drawn between the outer and inner caps and then up under the coil. It's a pretty ingenious setup if you ask me. Chief vapors Pat has already made a slight mod to the posts that hold the ribbon wire. I really want another one. Performs better than any other dripper that I have!


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[t8kiteasy]

That's exactly right. This was purchased off a list but soon will be more readily available in the US. It has 2 air holes on the outer cap which I don't think are even 1mm in size. Air is drawn between the outer and inner caps and then up under the coil. It's a pretty ingenious setup if you ask me. Chief vapors Pat has already made a slight mod to the posts that hold the ribbon wire. I really want another one. Performs better than any other dripper that I have!


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I know it uses ribbon wire,is the performance on par with or better than the ERA,or Hornet RDA's??

 

[wongster360]

I know it uses ribbon wire,is the performance on par with or better than the ERA,or Hornet RDA's??

After using The Immortalizer for the last week, I have to say that I prefer it over both the ERA or Hornet. Every once in awhile I won't pay attention to what I'm doing and over drip. With the ERA it would just ooze all over and with the Immortalizer I haven't had that problem. Plus the flavor is a tad better as well.


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[Nicblazer]

After using The Immortalizer for the last week, I have to say that I prefer it over both the ERA or Hornet. Every once in awhile I won't pay attention to what I'm doing and over drip. With the ERA it would just ooze all over and with the Immortalizer I haven't had that problem. Plus the flavor is a tad better as well.


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This is the reason as to why, sometimes, I'm reluctant to read these forums. Another toy that I just "might" have to buy it.


Dripping atty how I love thee


Nic

 

[snork]

I think it's great when slightly off-topic discussions take place in this forum because I think it provides fodder for David's competitiveness.

 

[Nicblazer]

I think it's great when slightly off-topic discussions take place in this forum because I think it provides fodder for David's competitiveness.

It might just be me, Snork. It might be that I'm just seeing what I want to see, but I'm definitely noticing a rise on the dripping method. It's like a "come back" from 3 years ago. IMHO, probably due to easiness, variety of dripping RBAs being brought to the market nowadays. I'm not complaining . Dripping felt like a lonesome sport after carto tanks started taking over.


Nic