Preparing for the Vapocalypse

[Dvx67]

The vape apocalypse has been impending doom for a few years now. Sure they could make things harder for us but I think the only thing you would really need to prepare for it is an ample supply of nic liquid. It's not expensive, so might as well have some put back.

 

[VapieDan]

The vape apocalypse has been impending doom for a few years now. Sure they could make things harder for us but I think the only thing you would really need to prepare for it is an ample supply of nic liquid. It's not expensive, so might as well have some put back.

You have discovered the weak link. Nicotine has a limited shelf life (2 years?). After that you are at the mercy of the government.

 

[Dvx67]

You have discovered the weak link. Nicotine has a limited shelf life (2 years?). After that you are at the mercy of the government.

From what I've read it lasts much longer if properly stored.

 

[VapieDan]

From what I've read it lasts much longer if properly stored.

That is what the manufactures say. What is more important is how it deteriorates. If it just drops in strength it would just mean using more as it weakens. If all this goes though we are going to find out!

 

[Jugband]

Nic is where I'm on the fence. I do have a freezer full, along with an army of mechs and rda's. I'm not worried about battries or wire, nor PG or VG. But nic? How much will really last? I follow all the guidelines of storage, but how long will it really keep?

 

[Dvx67]

Nobody really knows apparently. Worst case is you make your own at some point.

 

[GaryInTexas]

Some members of this forum have had nic in the freezer for over 5 years now without degrading.

 

[K_Tech]

You have discovered the weak link. Nicotine has a limited shelf life (2 years?). After that you are at the mercy of the government.

From what I've read it lasts much longer if properly stored.

I am too lazy to search, but the topic of nicotine longevity has been discussed at great length over in the DIY section. It will lose approximately one percent of its concentration, per year, in a freezer, in a sealed glass bottle. So after ten years your liter of 100 mg/ml nic will be at around 90 mg/ml. I can still work with that.

 

[VapieDan]

Some members of this forum have had nic in the freezer for over 5 years now without degrading.

I am getting encouraged!

 

[VapieDan]

I am too lazy to search, but the topic of nicotine longevity has been discussed at great length over in the DIY section. It will lose approximately one percent of its concentration, per year, in a freezer, in a sealed glass bottle. So after ten years your liter of 100 mg/ml nic will be at around 90 mg/ml. I can still work with that.

Lay in the nicotine test kits!

 

[Froth]

I am getting encouraged!

I recently tucked over 1300ml(~8 year supply for me) of 100mg nic supply in the back of the freezer split into 4oz amber glass bottles, vacuum sealed and numbered/dated. When I need nicotine I only have to open the bottle that needs open, the rest never get disturbed. Come at me FDA.

 

[tehmidcap]

The more I think about it the more I realize that nicotine will be the biggest issue, as many have said.

It will be easy enough to label mods and atomizers under different usage (or buy them straight from China), plus the parts will still be available for us to make our own.

If my math is correct, a single liter of 100mg nicotine should last both my girlfriend and I something like four years (how we vape now), maybe even more should we conserve liquid better and/or lower our nicotine level.

I suppose it's not the end of the world for us -- yet I feel badly for new vapers and potential new vapers that will be affected more than us.

 

[cocacola31173]

Just remember besides stockpiling that we should be letting out Representives hear us. I email mine 2 times a week and also send REAL letters as well. If everyone would do this then maybe we will be heard.

A lot of people say this does not do any good. All I know is doing nothing definitley doesn't do any good. So please let your State Representives hear you!

Here is a link that will get you all the contact information that you will need. Open States: discover politics in your state - Open States Also here https://www.opencongress.org/people/zipcodelookup

ok...getting off the soapbox now....

 

[VapieDan]

I'm not sure they are hearing anything except from Big Tobacco and Big Pharmaceutical. There is just too much paid propaganda in the media and representatives chomping at the bit concerning this issue.

 

[Robino1]

That is what the manufactures say. What is more important is how it deteriorates. If it just drops in strength it would just mean using more as it weakens. If all this goes though we are going to find out!

From a well known member that kinda specializes in nic:

Not in my experience, or anyone else's here that I am aware of. Freezing in my freezer does not separate the components, and VG certainly does not degrade in the freezer. In mine the liquid does not freeze entirely, rather just gets VERY thick. I suppose if one were to take it down to MUCH colder temperatures, where the solution freezes solid, there might be some separation. But I'm not even sure a SubZero freezer (~-10F) would freeze a liquid solid.

ZoiDman is correct, freezing DIY nic is like hitting the pause button. I have 5.5 year old nic in my freezer that is the same as when I first stored it. No changes at all that I can detect with my eyes.

Even at room temp, nic lasts quite a while without significantly losing potency...although trace nic-oxides that will form will add TH and "pepper effect" and maybe some light tobacco-like taste to it. Still fine to vape, even if very yellow. Glass will slow this down too. I typically have one or two 50 mL amber bottles of VG-nic out for usage for many weeks without significant change. If the nic is in typical dropper bottles, and not glass, it will oxidize faster when out at room temp, since O2 can get through the bottle wall.

Even if the nic does oxidize a bit, that is just fine with me, since I enjoy the added TH and flavor nuances that oxidizing create. In fact, controlled oxidation for this purpose is being done by VapersTek, called Throat Hit nic, and is my favorite of currently available nics.

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Well said, Hannypoo! Indeed, all reactions slow down in colder temps. In nic solutions this is no different.

Unfortunately, there is always a bit of O2 dissolved in the VG or PG. Can't avoid it. So even in a sealed dark glass bottle at room temp, there will be a bit of oxidation. Come to an almost complete standstill in the freezer, especially VG-nic, and I expect many years of near perfect preservation.

Thread where this came from: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ion-about-frozen-nicotine-4.html#post15566997

He is a chemist. Kurt has been at this for a very long time and really knows his stuff.

 

[tehmidcap]

Indeed it will be a sad day to be an American when it happens, because it will prove that money in the right pockets is ultimately more important than our health and well being.

I will do as much as I can, I've already commented on regulations.gov.

There's no legit reason for what's being proposed. Regulation of ingredients in liquid/flavorings and a small "luxury tax" I could understand and get behind.

But the complete demonizing is absurd. There's plenty of substances and appliances we use every day are just as if not more dangerous when misused and not treated properly (compared to nicotine/apvs/etc), yet most of them can be purchased by minors at wal-mart. Plus I think even the FDA recognizes that electronic cigarettes are healthier than inhaling chemical laced smoke, yet they're deliberately lying to scare the ignorant public simply due to the fact that the government and big tobacco are in bed together.

Hooray for capitalism and the soulless holding the power.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Flavorings will still be available for food and water flavoring. Nicotine will still be available as lozenge refills on Amazon. But up coil wire and rebuildable vaping devices. Wire for coils will be available if not marketed as for vaping. Cotton will always be available and get mods with replaceable batteries. The batteries will still be available.
PG and VG will still be available even if not sold as vaping supplies.

Vaping is here and will continue, even if they technically outlaw it.

 

[skoony]

I heard the supply issue was because of flooded factories?

during the time Sony distanced themselves from after market uses
they were in the process of moving production to new facilities.
it has been speculated it was a timely PR move as they needed
to meet contractual agreements to there customers.
mike

 

[K_Tech]

Flavorings will still be available for food and water flavoring. Nicotine will still be available as lozenge refills on Amazon. But up coil wire and rebuildable vaping devices. Wire for coils will be available if not marketed as for vaping. Cotton will always be available and get mods with replaceable batteries. The batteries will still be available.
PG and VG will still be available even if not sold as vaping supplies.

Vaping is here and will continue, even if they technically outlaw it.

I think I posted this in another thread. My biggest concerns are going to be the availability of nicotine and new devices. All it takes is a stroke of a pen to make nicotine harder to get on line.

Indeed it will be a sad day to be an American when it happens, because it will prove that money in the right pockets is ultimately more important than our health and well being.

No insult intended, but this has already been proven time and time again. It's about power, control, and wealth, not the interests of the people.

 

[BigEgo]

I think I posted this in another thread. My biggest concerns are going to be the availability of nicotine and new devices. All it takes is a stroke of a pen to make nicotine harder to get on line.

Not only harder, but illegal. Get caught and you spend some serious time in jail. At least, that is what some states are proposing.

BT doesn't like competition and they are doing everything in their power to shut vaping down (or at least make it so their crappy cigalikes are all we're left with). Make no mistake, they are the one's writing these bills (as is common -- lobbyists write most bills which our wonderful Congressmen don't read).