Proposed Bill makes it Illegal to sell flavored eliquid or flavors used in eliquid

[stevegmu]

Perhaps I have a unique ability to see things from both points of view on the flavors subject. While I do agree that flavored e liquids are probably for the most part harmless I also see the reasoning behind the bans for the flavorings.

Its a difficult issue to tackle because either way there's gonna be an unhappy group. Of course the most obvious way around flavor bans is to label each liquid as tobacco or menthol flavor. Kind of like what Halo does. Halo sells a number of different tobacco and menthol liquids but each has a distinct flavor and flavorings added. By doing it that way there's no need to call your liquid strawberry of orange or whatever, you just call it tobacco with an added name to distinct one from the other.

This is one reason why I think Halo will not have many issues meeting whatever federal regulations are enacted...

 

[caramel]

This is one reason why I think Halo will not have many issues meeting whatever federal regulations are enacted...

Wishful thinking. You can pretty much regulate that in order to qualify as "tobacco" flavored, the fumes of the investigated liquid should be consistently similar to tobacco fumes both in composition and concentration.

 

[zoiDman]

I think you're onto something here. I can definitely see a "Flavored Inhalant Delivery System" in the picture below. This is an attack on religion.

This is what I use...

Frankincense by Seduce Juice

(Nice Pickup on the Religious Protection clause. I wonder How Many Others Didn't Get It?)

 

[sub4me]

Halo, JC, and few others have really done a stand up job when it comes to bottling, labeling, and naming their e liquids. I would go so far as to say even a substantial job to create a adult geared product.

 

[zoiDman]

Perhaps I have a unique ability to see things from both points of view on the flavors subject. While I do agree that flavored e liquids are probably for the most part harmless I also see the reasoning behind the bans for the flavorings.

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I Shudder to ask this.

But what are the Reasoning that you see for Banning Flavors?

 

[sub4me]

Yea, I'm gonna keep that opinion to myself.

 

[zoiDman]

Yea, I'm gonna keep that opinion to myself.

Thank You.

 

[bwh79]

Guys, you're parsing it wrong, there's no such thing as a "flavored inhalant delivery system." The system itself is not flavored. When they say "flavored inhalant delivery system product," they are talking about a "flavored product" for an inhalant delivery system, not a product that's meant for a "flavored inhalant delivery system." That just doesn't make any sense.

They're not trying to ban our ecigs, they're only trying to ban our flavors. And, while they're at it, vanilla snus, and wintergreen Skoal, and grape flavored blunt-wraps, and cherry pipe tobacco. And declare the whole thing a state of emergency. It ain't gonna go through. Just because one crazy politician gets a wild hare up his .... and draws up this ridiculous bill, doesn't mean that anyone else is gonna buy into it.

 

[Str8vision]

Every qualified person I've ever seen speak on the subject says you don't get enough just by soaking.

There is very little nic in a NET, not because soaking isn't efficient at extracting nic but because of the amount of tobacco used to make ready to vape NET is quite small. The amount of tobacco contained in a pack of cigarettes will yield 70ml of extract, which when mixed at 20% yields 350ml of ready to vape juice, a couple months worth for an average person. In other words, the amount of nic an average smoker gets in a single day from a pack of cigarettes, takes over 60 days to vape. And that "assumes" soaking removed/leeched ALL the nic from the tobacco.

 

[zoiDman]

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They're not trying to ban our ecigs, they're only trying to ban our flavors. ...

Are you Sure?

This Isn't the 1st Time Oregon has Taken a Hard Line on e-Cigarettes.

 

[caramel]

Guys, you're parsing it wrong,

In order to avoid this there should be a clear exemption for religious cult items.

 

[stevegmu]

Wishful thinking. You can pretty much regulate that in order to qualify as "tobacco" flavored, the fumes of the investigated liquid should be consistently similar to tobacco fumes both in composition and concentration.

I think it will be more how they are sold, described and advertised. Halo's tobaccos all taste different, but the base for all of them is tobacco flavoring; same with their menthols...

 

[stevegmu]

There is very little nic in a NET, not because soaking isn't efficient at extracting nic but because of the amount of tobacco used to make ready to vape NET is quite small. The amount of tobacco contained in a pack of cigarettes will yield 70ml of extract, which when mixed at 20% yields 350ml of ready to vape juice, a couple months worth for an average person. In other words, the amount of nic an average smoker gets in a single day from a pack of cigarettes, takes over 60 days to vape. And that "assumes" soaking removed/leeched ALL the nic from the tobacco.

How is it so many people get nic sick from vaping?

 

[caramel]

I think it will be more how they are sold, described and advertised. Halo's tobaccos all taste different, but the base for all of them is tobacco flavoring; same with their menthols...

If they're advertised as tobacco, they should be consistently similar to tobacco or else ("false advertising").

 

[bwh79]

Are you Sure?

This Isn't the 1st Time Oregon has Taken a Hard Line on e-Cigarettes.

Well, I'm sure that's the only way flavored inhalant delivery system product makes any sense to me. If they just wanted to ban ecigs altogether, why mention flavors, or other tobacco products, at all? Remember, the proposed ban is not on "inhalant delivery systems," it's on "flavored tobacco products and flavored inhalant delivery system products." The keywords here are "flavored ... products." That is what they're trying to ban, at least this time...

 

[stevegmu]

If they're advertised as tobacco, they should be consistently similar to tobacco or else ("false advertising").

They are. Have you smoked tobacco which wasn't in a cigarette? Real tobacco has chocolate, caramel, apple... undertones...
The reason why cigarette flavored e-liquid is so elusive is because cigarettes generally don't taste like tobacco...

 

[caramel]

There is very little nic in a NET, not because soaking isn't efficient at extracting nic but because of the amount of tobacco used to make ready to vape NET is quite small. The amount of tobacco contained in a pack of cigarettes will yield 70ml of extract, which when mixed at 20% yields 350ml of ready to vape juice, a couple months worth for an average person. In other words, the amount of nic an average smoker gets in a single day from a pack of cigarettes, takes over 60 days to vape. And that "assumes" soaking removed/leeched ALL the nic from the tobacco.

How much nicotine is in a pack of 20 cigarettes (assuming you can extract it all with no losses)?

 

[caramel]

They are. Have you smoked tobacco which wasn't in a cigarette? Real tobacco has chocolate, caramel, apple... undertones...
The reason why cigarette flavored e-liquid is so elusive is because cigarettes generally don't taste like tobacco...

Have you ever ate something that looks and feel like chocolate yet it's made from palm oil + flavour and texture additives? Very realistic yet you can't sell it as "chocolate".

 

[zoiDman]

Well, I'm sure that's the only way flavored inhalant delivery system product makes any sense to me. If they just wanted to ban ecigs altogether, why mention flavors, or other tobacco products, at all? Remember, the proposed ban is not on "inhalant delivery systems," it's on "flavored tobacco products and flavored inhalant delivery system products." The keywords here are "flavored ... products." That is what they're trying to ban, at least this time...

I'm not a Lawyer.

But to me, a "Inhalant Delivery System" is a piece of Hardware when it comes to e-Cigarettes.

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20 (2) A person may not distribute, sell or allow to be sold a flavored tobacco product or a
flavored inhalant delivery system product in this state.

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https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2015R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB0415/Introduced

I would Definitely want a Clarification from the Author of this Legislation as to this.

 

[stevegmu]

Have you ever ate something that looks and feel like chocolate yet it's made from palm oil + flavour and texture additives? Very realistic yet you can't sell it as "chocolate".

No. When I eat chocolate, which is rare, I eat actual chocolate from a chocolate shop or Aldis... Most chocolate milk has no real cocoa in it, yet is sold as chocolate milk...