Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

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Finally a HD 1080p POV cigamajig video :)



Thanks Russ, you're the best. You're timing couldn't have been better! Very much appreciated.

Just a note: Try pulling the wire down flat on the end of the tool before moving it against the mandrel. That way the wire will be flat against the end of the tool for your starter wind. Also when winding angle the wire from the spool toward the tool a little. Things will tighten up for you and totally elliminate the need to unwrap anything.


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Hey Guys, Cig gave me advise a couple of days ago that I think should be talked about again. I have been reading this forum thread and another for about a month, time and time again it had been stated do not pulse your coil in a Protank because your insulator could burn, apparently that is old news. Guess I missed the update. Watched a vid where super X wrapped a coil, when he had it installed he pulsed it and then ran his 1/16 drill bit through it a couple of time, pulsed and ran the the drill bit through twice more until the coil was lighting up as it should.

I asked Cig about this and he called it racking, he advised me to run a screw driver over the top of the coil after I had pulsed and repeat until...

I had not heard about this before is anyone else racking? Let's talk.

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Hey Guys, Cig gave me advise a couple of days ago that I think should be talked about again. I have been reading this forum thread and another for about a month, time and time again it had been stated do not pulse your coil in a Protank because your insulator could burn, apparently that is old news. Guess I missed the update. Watched a vid where super X wrapped a coil, when he had it installed he pulsed it and then ran his 1/16 drill bit through it a couple of time, pulsed and ran the the drill bit through twice more until the coil was lighting up as it should.

I asked Cig about this and he called it racking, he advised me to run a screw driver over the top of the coil after I had pulsed and repeat until...

I had not heard about this before is anyone else racking? Let's talk.

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I call it cueing, cause the way I do it it's like when you move your cue stick back and forth before you shoot in pool :)

Oh and here's the latest vid :)

http://youtu.be/sVS37CCogK8
 

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super_X, another good vid, ya it's a cool hack, it's always the simple things that please us the most. Has the Gizmo become your jig of choice?
Checked out your Facebook page, welcome to the 21st Century! Love watching your vids.

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Thank you bro. Yes, it's my of choice. It's really the only one I've used since @flavored brought it to vaping.
I appreciate your props on my videos :)

I have been on FB for a while but have had my vape cyber amigos on my personal page. Ummm yeah, that doesn't work so well when you have young kids :) I have also had micro coil pages / group for a while but would prefer an account so I can see what ya'll post too. I like interacting with my fellow fighters. I personally don't have much content to post :)
 

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The following is my understanding of hot legs, why they occur and why raking or cueing fixes them.


Alumina is a crystalline structure that forms on our resistance wire when heated that electrically isolates each turn from one another in a contact microcoil. When we tension wind a coil where the turns are held in a state of compressive strain (touching) some or all of the turns can be electrically shorted together untill the alumina forms during firing/pulsing. This shorting together of some or all the turns in a coil before the alumina forms completely results in hot legs and/or uneven firing of the turns. Why? Because the electrical current does not have to travel the entire length of the wire. Instead it takes the path of least resistance, jumping across from one shorted turn to another and bypasses a good deal of wire resistance. The small amount of heat generated in these shorted turns is readily absorbed by the greater mass of non-heated wire in the coil therefore no red color is developed in the coil but.....the legs will turn red because current is flowing through their entire length.

Alumina is quickly formed on the wire surface when the coil is heated but can only do so in the presence of oxygen. Both raking and cueing while the coil is hot are methods used to mechanically disturb the shorted junctions between the turns just enough to allow for oxygen to reach there. Alumina then forms in those previously unreachable areas and fully electrically isolates all the turns. The coil then fires from the center out and will likely never hot leg again.

Overly tensioned coils where the turns are held together with very high compressive strain are not required or desirable for the best vaping performance imo. Applying only enough tension to acquire diametrical uniformity and just enough wire feed angle to keep the turns in contact with one another seems to produce the best vapor production and coil longevity. I suspect that it has to do with the size and number of inter spacial voids created during the formation of alumina but alas.....I don't have access to micrography equipment to verify this.

Just to be clear, spaced coils never hot leg because there are no shorted turns. At least I have never seen it happen.

Hope this helps,


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A buddy of mine wants to get into rebuilding his Kanger heads, his arthritic hands would prevent him from hand coiling. What size rods come with Gizmo, further do you think it's possible to find a 1.80mm rod. That's the perfect size to fit into the slot on the mangers.

While I was checking out the Gizmo I found they also have a Pro version with a chuck.
 

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A buddy of mine wants to get into rebuilding his Kanger heads, his arthritic hands would prevent him from hand coiling. What size rods come with Gizmo, further do you think it's possible to find a 1.80mm rod. That's the perfect size to fit into the slot on the mangers.

While I was checking out the Gizmo I found they also have a Pro version with a chuck.

Dan, dunno what size - all I know is 4 of the 5 are useless. The website lists em though.

I've heard tell of the pro version (saw pictures) but it appears to have been replace by the current version. Trust me, I tried to get one. Please let me know if you find it anywhere.
 

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Hey guys, looking to find a metal rod 1.80mm for the gizmo jig. A friend of mine wants to rebuild his Kanger heads. He can't use his hands well, arthritis. He isn't happy with the stock heads and I don't want him to back to analogs. Tried to google it but with no success, any ideas to be appreciated.
 

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Called Jeremy at RBA supply yesterday. Told him about my wicking issues with my piece of rxw nextel xc-132 purchased from him. He asked a lot of questions about my application of the product...what device, coil type, wire gauge, diameter ect. He really seemed to take an interest in my situation. He requested I send it back for his evaluation and he's sending a replacement piece. Great guy! I'll shoot you all another update soon.

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Called Jeremy at RBA supply yesterday. Told him about my wicking issues with my piece of rxw nextel xc-132 purchased from him. He asked a lot of questions about my application of the product...what device, coil type, wire gauge, diameter ect. He really seemed to take an interest in my situation. He requested I send it back for his evaluation and he's sending a replacement piece. Great guy! I'll shoot you all another update soon.

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Thanks cig, anxious to hear what the results are!

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