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Very good question. I had to do a lot of research, ultimately on my iPhone to actually find the link for the software. You get an apple domain website in RoC. I can't locate the app on the US Apple Store.

The two best priced sources I have for the BT50W do not have it. Claim not released to them but one officially does the 65W upgrade (!!!, free). Yep.

The BT software I don't believe enables a direct upgrade.

So there it is.

I'm personally a little bit reticent to html or IP into any RoC web server, secure or not, and plug in my Apple pswd. Sorry. A bit of a stickler on security. So I have to give this a little more thought and research time. Maybe a call to Apple to validate the site's authenticity.

However, I have found numerous posts attesting to the software's functionality. So the pics if not the truth is out there. LOL It does seem to have more promise than the eVic's flashy go-nowhere puff counter. I'm concerned it doesn't appear on any of the other products making their way into the line up.

<shrug> Dunno.

I'm pleased with the performance of this box. It's sweet spot is higher than most of the others out there which makes it better for higher-res builds. It's power delivery is utterly smooth and marries up to the Subtank's design dynamics extremely well delivering a slight edge over the HANA, C-ANA, IPVS and ZNA30 I've run, tested or sampled on.

Good luck D

:)

Bought a BM50w a couple weeks ago. Have since sent it in for the free upgrade to 65w and passthrough. Miss it bad. Smooth operator. Any idea what chipset is in your BT65w Mac? What's the Bluetooth for....to call you to tell you when you need a vape? ...just kid'n
 

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Bought a BM50w a couple weeks ago. Have since sent it in for the free upgrade to 65w and passthrough. Miss it bad. Smooth operator. Any idea what chipset is in your BT65w Mac? What's the Bluetooth for....to call you to tell you when you need a vape? ...just kid'n

Actually it's the BT50W (SX300 variant, I believe). Just a few short weeks ago we were seeing far higher prices and I was looking for something reachable as a stout base for the Subtank (hate beauty rings). Don't normally associate Smok with high performance but they are a reliable vendor. The BT50W proved surprising. Very smooth power delivery as I would have expected from all the accolades for the YiHi chipset. I've been looking at the BT65 too for its swappable 18650. Can't bear the notion of USB charging a mod.

Some info here on the BET mod page for the BT software.

Haven't tested the software yet and I suspect it's merely an experiment to test the waters with consumers on temperature control potential. But skeptical given they've excluded it on most of their offerings. We'll see. I could see the potential to do some wire temp/res performance tracking for this app. Frankly very conservative on BT use for sec reasons leaving it turned off on servers and devices. But it could be useful here. And who knows if there might be enough attraction for me to do some authoring. At the very least a quick and dirty method to snapshot some details in operation, is my hope.

Glad you like yours. IsssGoood.

:D

G'luck.

p.s. Haven't forgotten to luck over the stocker coil Ø's. Curious stuff.
 
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The OCC stock insulator D. At least on the Mini might yield better results than the RBA.

G'luck.

:)

OK, we switched from RBA to OCC... my train of thought was derailed! LOL!

I have rebuilt 4 or 5 OCC heads (none were tensioned, next will be!), pretty easy to do, but I wouldn't want to go any bigger than 26AWG. The grommet appears to be rubber and I haven't toasted one. When I fire to check the coil prior to wicking, I pulse it. I don't think that rubber would taste to good!

I'm thinking one of your parallel TL jobbers in their would be tough to accomplish. Might get it with 30-32AWG?
 

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OK, we switched from RBA to OCC... my train of thought was derailed! LOL!

I have rebuilt 4 or 5 OCC heads (none were tensioned, next will be!), pretty easy to do, but I wouldn't want to go any bigger than 26AWG. The grommet appears to be rubber and I haven't toasted one. When I fire to check the coil prior to wicking, I pulse it. I don't think that rubber would taste to good!

I'm thinking one of your parallel TL jobbers in their would be tough to accomplish. Might get it with 30-32AWG?

Actually easier than The Monster in the Protank.

(Check earlier. Three additions to vaping this past year — the t.m.c., TLP and the twisted lead center post dual t.m.c.)

Hopefully we'll see more peeps add to the applications.

Good luck D.

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I have a quick little question for everyone. What are you using to keep your wire in place on the spool? I've been using a packing peanut. I thread the wire through, wedge it in the groove, and slide it back with my thumb when I need more wire. It works alright, and I have plenty of them!

I just got my shipment of wire and while making some true TMC's this evening had to dig for something to hold that wire on the spool. I thought of this Q... you had posted.

I just threw out some Dell boxes that had that foam packing material, so no luck there! Ultimately I found that the small wristband that came with my fitbit, it is the perfect width to fit in the spool and being a "rubbery" material it works awesome to use to hold the wire tightly in the spool when turning my tool. I just made coils for about an hour and a half, not for any build... just to get the process down! Perfect coils nearly every time!

I predict true tensioned coils and I are going to get along just fine!
 
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Lifted from my response Counter clockwise wind for even end-turns… as a damned good approach!

Ok, my turn. Symmetry is paramount to achieving the Best vape out of any device as Mac said. Looking at your pick there are two things you could improve on.

1. Wick a little heavier. I think you have enough wick there to get a good vape but are just short of optimal. I would want to see more bulging of the wick where it exits the end turns.

2. Symmetry. You lost symmetry when you tightened the screws because the coil legs are on the wrong side of the screw. As a result the end turns opened up (got larger in diameter). You want the legs to be drawn INTO the screw while tightening. Wind your coil the other direction (counter clockwise) so that when you tighten up the screws the legs try to pull away from the coil. Of course they can't pull away because your winding mandrel in the coil stops them from doing so. All stays in place creating a much more symmetrical and stable build.

Ps. The coil appears to be set a little low in the pic. The coil should be set so that the legs come straight off the bottom of the coil to the screw posts.

Pss. If you're winding on a right hand screw for spaced winds as I do the legs will end up on the wrong side of the screw post too. So I bend the legs around the screw on the screw post and hold them tight to keep them from moving while I tighten things up. I'll have to get some left hand screws some day I guess but dang they're expensive!

LOL, I don't do that!. But you make a good point. Def do that on my Immo's with flat wire or they migrate like mad.

Counter clockwise wind for even end-turns.

Damn ya cig, I'm gonna have to revise my winding preferences.

:D

G'luck all.

p.s. An alternative is to clamp the coil right to the bit at the set. Ain't got no clamp, c/c/w damned good idea. But slight advantage too in maintaining even lead tension. Def edges the clamp.
 

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That picture isn't of an OCC head ....so can similar be done on a SubTank using the OCC platform? Any recommended vid's on accomplishing this for such a platform?

Yes, you can put a microcoil anywhere. I've posted large on this thread on how to do that. But there's a reason for the slot in the 510 clearo we know and love and that's to localize the coil. Over the past year all makers of consumer tanks have hidden their guts. Kanger made a bold move to give us both a more open OCC and an RBA to acknowledge our desire to rebuild. Good move. Unfortunately the OCC is not an optimal rebuild platform. They do localize the build at the factory if you believe the promo videos. They've adopted some of those approaches others and myself have written about. But not ideally.

Don't know for sure yet what might yield the best overall result for most vapers. That's what I'm working on. And hopefully easy to do.I jumped on board enthusiastically because of the Subtank RBA and that's already gone. The OCC housing is another creature.

I've spent a lot of time with these but actually haven't built one yet. I'm looking over the performance specs and have for several weeks now. Sorry T, I'm the tortoise not the hare. I'm researching beginner and advanced builds that might be suitable for the OCC. I haven't even decided if I'm going to encourage that at this point. It's a darned good tank as an RBA with a stocker as backup for the occasional rebuilder.

A few posts by several of us on the OCC here if you care to look. Some good info.

For starters try Coil Toy - Online calculator for e-cigarette resistance coil building as a starting point. Get a sense of the coil length your considering. The overall housing's internal dimension is ample at ~9.5mm which presents some wicking challenges. It also deters most synthetics from the solution. I'd love to see more peeps join in on this experiment to find good long term solutions for new vapers. Those of us who can't rebuild every day.

For the OCC, I'd suggest a 7/64" or 3mm bit but you may have to ream out the ~3mm wick hole slightly to situate the latter bit through both holes. I know folks are successfully inserting completed winds then centering them with a bit. Supposedly they do this at the factory. The purpose is to firmly lock the orientation of the coil relative to the lead direction. As I've commented on in my posts it is important to control the lead exit angle to provide stability for the coil. There are guide channel slots in newer OCC bottom caps for this. It's not going to be an easy beginner build. And I'm not confident in video and pic's I've seen of the factory assembly process. It's a bear to take these things apart. Less so to put back together after a few times. Durability might be a problem as it's very easy to strip the chrome off these heads.

An advantage of the tensioned microcoil I recommend is durability. Improvements in the base 510 connection makes OCC coils less susceptible to skew, lead lift, etc. but it is not impervious. I've run enough through at this point to observe all the classical flaws we've come to dread from standard factory spaced winds. See my picture posts on this thread. But to Kanger's credit the base changes only enhance the stability of the standard OCC and anything you build. It's definitely worth a shot. But I'm not confident the average person is going to be able to rebuild these in a way that stands up like previous coils. They are designed for a specific durability and very tight parameters. The folks at Kanger are no fools. Consumables are an important part of their business. We can certainly build a better coil. But this housing is not necessarily the best receptacle for one.

Meantime lots of good tips here and people to help out if you choose to try a tension wind, OCC or RBA.

Glad to help if I can. And I'll try to put something up soon.

:D

Good luck.
 
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Lifted from my response Counter clockwise wind for even end-turns… as a damned good approach!



LOL, I don't do that!. But you make a good point. Def do that on my Immo's with flat wire or they migrate like mad.

Counter clockwise wind for even end-turns.

Damn ya cig, I'm gonna have to revise my winding preferences.

:D

G'luck all.

p.s. An alternative is to clamp the coil right to the bit at the set. Ain't got no clamp, c/c/w damned good idea. But slight advantage too in maintaining even lead tension. Def edges the clamp.

I guess I got lucky on my first few STM RBA coils as they were counter clockwise and the hold down screws pulled, rather than pushed on the legs. I forgot that one simple fact yesterday! LOL!
 

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I guess I got lucky on my first few STM RBA coils as they were counter clockwise and the hold down screws pulled, rather than pushed on the legs. I forgot that one simple fact yesterday! LOL!

Most peeps wind (right hand, clockwise rotation). It's rather cumbersome for a righty to wind the opposite. And unless you're building quad's, you don't get the practice or keep up the motor skills to do it consistently. It's tedious. I haven't encountered any wire travel on the Subtank's so far. But it's a fair suggestion and something to watch out for.

The biggest risk of having lead migration deform an end turn comes from lack of lead tension on adjustment or screwdown.

I described the process to avoid this very simply in The clamp Luke, the clamp!. For every build I do, I tighten down the post or terminal and extend the lead to its expected position or furthest travel point (for centering and height adjustment) butting the opposite end turn with the face of screwdriver or pin vise. This protects the coil geometry end-to-end. It's essential to even out the tension for both leads. Butting the coil from either end and pulling out the leads pretty much locks in the 6/12 O'clock turn exit orientation.

But honestly. We're not building show builds. The above approach allowed me to make some pretty decent winds that just worked and happened to show good because they do.

Always keep the leads tensioned if any adjustment is required. If the post set must be released, tension must come from the other side of the post too. I use a forceps or clamp on the outside adjusting hand hold as needed to keep the wire taught. Again, re-tension the inside segment of lead as before if you must take up slack or introduce it.

Repeat as needed. Baby steps. And don't push the work. Have extra winds handy and it's not a big deal.

Always protect that end turn (with a finger or clamp)…regardless of wind direction. A few seconds, as with our Protanks, the Zen moment that defines the quality of our build…and our vape!

Good luck.

:)

p.s. I like L's. Earlier in this thread I described using an L (90 deg bend) for the positive lead in the Protank set. This firmly sets the position and lead tension as you reach for and install the positive pin. Locks it. Same thing applies here. Locate the coil being set and lead length as you tension the lead from the outside of the post. Fix your coil position for that end-turn and put an L in its lead wire on the outside of the post. Wire ain't goin' nowhere. Tighten down.
 

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Most peeps wind (right hand, clockwise rotation). It's rather cumbersome for a righty to wind the opposite. And unless you're building quad's, you don't get the practice or keep up the motor skills to do it consistently. It's tedious. I haven't encountered any wire travel on the Subtank's so far. But it's a fair suggestion and something to watch out for.

The biggest risk of having lead migration deform an end turn comes from lack of lead tension on adjustment or screwdown.

I described the process to avoid this very simply in The clamp Luke, the clamp!. For every build I do, I tighten down the post or terminal and extend the lead to its expected position or furthest travel point (for centering and height adjustment) butting the opposite end turn with the face of screwdriver or pin vise. This protects the coil geometry end-to-end. It's essential to even out the tension for both leads. Butting the coil from either end and pulling out the leads pretty much locks in the 6/12 O'clock turn exit orientation.

But honestly. We're not building show builds. The above approach allowed me to make some pretty decent winds that just worked and happened to show good because they do.

Always keep the leads tensioned if any adjustment is required. If the post set must be released, tension must come from the other side of the post too. I use a forceps or clamp on the outside adjusting hand hold as needed to keep the wire taught. Again, re-tension the inside segment of lead as before if you must take up slack or introduce it.

Repeat as needed. Baby steps. And don't push the work. Have extra winds handy and it's not a big deal.

Always protect that end turn (with a finger or clamp)…regardless of wind direction. A few seconds, as with our Protanks, the Zen moment that defines the quality of our build…and our vape!

Good luck.

:)

p.s. I like L's. Earlier in this thread I described using an L (90 deg bend) for the positive lead in the Protank set. This firmly sets the position and lead tension as you reach for and install the positive pin. Locks it. Same thing applies here. Locate the coil being set and lead length as you tension the lead from the outside of the post. Fix your coil position for that end-turn and put an L in its lead wire on the outside of the post. Wire ain't goin' nowhere. Tighten down.


Not even with your twisteds moved?

Guess I need to add a few more items to the tool shopping list. I did notice in one of your clamp pics that the forceps you used had serrations or "teeth" in the jaws. Might those nick or gouge the wire? The 90 bend is a great idea/tip.

I'm now pretty confident in my tension regular and twisted winds but will continue to practice and perfect them. My issue is getting the coils secured in several attys without fouling up all that wind work! SO all these tips and secrets of the masters really help!

I think you, Super, and cig should all do a YT series on this!

I forgot where you placed the image of the clamp you mention in addition to the foreceps? ECF is a big place with a poor search feature.
 

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Not even with your twisteds moved?

Guess I need to add a few more items to the tool shopping list. I did notice in one of your clamp pics that the forceps you used had serrations or "teeth" in the jaws. Might those nick or gouge the wire? The 90 bend is a great idea/tip.

I'm now pretty confident in my tension regular and twisted winds but will continue to practice and perfect them. My issue is getting the coils secured in several attys without fouling up all that wind work! SO all these tips and secrets of the masters really help!

I think you, Super, and cig should all do a YT series on this!

I forgot where you placed the image of the clamp you mention in addition to the foreceps? ECF is a big place with a poor search feature.

Twisteds locked in instantly in these posts. Easiest build I think I've ever done. Now an Immortalizer, that you must Master.

Clamps are good. My builds improved an order of magnitude when I realized the importance of butting end turns. Protects adhesion and helps impart the bend or sweep of the end turn if the terminal or post is off axis of exit. Locks in the exit point of contact on the end turn. Two for one at Jack LaLane's.

:D

90 bend helped solve the vertical slip problem (pin insert push up) with pos on the Protank when (silicone) grommets got mushy. Simple way to stabilize wire.

LOL, new video? Clamping is the future! LOL

There's all kinds of clamps, serration spreads, flat wide and narrow. They're cheap when you find 'em. Always looking for tools and drill blank sources. I mean, how many carto-meters do we really need?

Wires get damaged when they get too hot. Then they don't vape right. Better to get 'em pulsed and oxidized early in adhesion. Let nature fill in the blanks. The surfaces are imperfect anyway. That's why you need contact.

G'luck d.

:)

p.s. You want a challenging build, get an Igo-W. Try parallels under that center screw.
 
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Firefox can fail
Looks as if Firefox can fail in cases where an antivirus has a proxy that is vulnerable. Avast Web Shield is reported to cause a fail. If you have Firefox but get a fail - the page loads and says VULNERABLE - then maybe you have a faulty a/v. No doubt it will be patched soon. With Avast, open it then turn off the Web Shield.

Mine, too. Apple is supposed to be releasing a patch, this coming week.

Thanks for the test link roly.

LB, Apple's update is live on the Apple Store page.

Good luck all.

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Does this effect PC's as well as Apple products? Is it safe to run the vulnerability test link? Sceptical as always....

Yeah hear ya. Google a source site you feel comfortable with. It involves some browsers. Apple's Safari an example, Firefox and others. It's an RSS encryption problem involving the HTTPS protocol. A lower grade encrypt could be invoked under certain circumstances. The problem is server side. Don't know exactly how patches would address this except trap for it and block the browser with an alert. But I'd def want to know if that was happening. It's serious anytime private keys are involved. So yeah, take a few.

Good luck all.

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OK - almost 300 pages, to many to read so I'll start by apologizing for asking questions that I'm sure have been asked/replied too.

I've been rebuilding PT heads for almost two years, probably wrong...but hey, they work! Eventually after enough dry burns, the insulator will start to scorch. I've just recently submitted by second order to Lightning Vapes for replacements. Upon receipt, will rebuild the bad one's.

Now for the questions, if answered, please feel free to simply link me to the answer or a video.

1) For the PT - what's the best tool to use for tension wrapping a coil? I've been building using a blunt tip needle, somewhere between a 1/16 and 5/64 bit I think. Not sure what gauge it is. But....doing a tension wind on this didn't work well at all.

2) Best way to keep legs from getting hot. Given I'm not going to weld NR wire legs on is there a way to prevent this. I've read some put the coil on an RDA and fire it stating passing electricity through it helps/prevents this assuming the coil is as close to the rda posts as possible. If this is the way - what RDA is recommended. I attempted to try this on a Kayfun deck, but had a number of problems. (a) the posts are to wide and separated the coil I made for PT (b) the posts require the wire to be wrapped around the set screw thus distorting the wire. Is there a better deck to use where the wire goes through the posts and the set screw is tightened down onto the wire?


As this is a Kanger thread .........I guess the same questions would also apply to the SubTank. I've got a mini on the way (in addition to my first 50w VW regulated mod) and will probably experiment with rebuilding those OCC heads. Wife likes the idea of grabbing a coil, dropping it in, fill the tank and go. Using the RBA deck for her just won't cut it. Since I've got the ST on the way, I also ordered up some 26ga Kanthal - assuming this should work.

Is a touching tension coil the best on this platform ... or spaced?
I've read the best tool to use is something like a 3mm screwdriver - anyone got a link to what they use?
Like I said.... as above, how in the hell do you prevent burning the insulator and if done, are they as of yet replaceable?


Thx all for the help.
 

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OK - almost 300 pages, to many to read so I'll start by apologizing for asking questions that I'm sure have been asked/replied too.

I've been rebuilding PT heads for almost two years, probably wrong...but hey, they work! Eventually after enough dry burns, the insulator will start to scorch. I've just recently submitted by second order to Lightning Vapes for replacements. Upon receipt, will rebuild the bad one's.

Now for the questions, if answered, please feel free to simply link me to the answer or a video.

1) For the PT - what's the best tool to use for tension wrapping a coil? I've been building using a blunt tip needle, somewhere between a 1/16 and 5/64 bit I think. Not sure what gauge it is. But....doing a tension wind on this didn't work well at all.

2) Best way to keep legs from getting hot. Given I'm not going to weld NR wire legs on is there a way to prevent this. I've read some put the coil on an RDA and fire it stating passing electricity through it helps/prevents this assuming the coil is as close to the rda posts as possible. If this is the way - what RDA is recommended. I attempted to try this on a Kayfun deck, but had a number of problems. (a) the posts are to wide and separated the coil I made for PT (b) the posts require the wire to be wrapped around the set screw thus distorting the wire. Is there a better deck to use where the wire goes through the posts and the set screw is tightened down onto the wire?


As this is a Kanger thread .........I guess the same questions would also apply to the SubTank. I've got a mini on the way (in addition to my first 50w VW regulated mod) and will probably experiment with rebuilding those OCC heads. Wife likes the idea of grabbing a coil, dropping it in, fill the tank and go. Using the RBA deck for her just won't cut it. Since I've got the ST on the way, I also ordered up some 26ga Kanthal - assuming this should work.

Is a touching tension coil the best on this platform ... or spaced?
I've read the best tool to use is something like a 3mm screwdriver - anyone got a link to what they use?
Like I said.... as above, how in the hell do you prevent burning the insulator and if done, are they as of yet replaceable?


Thx all for the help.

Once you get a good working build completed on that stm rba, you wont want to mess with the occ heads anymore! It's that good!

And you can buy extra rba decks so you always have a spare ready to go!
 

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OK - almost 300 pages, to many to read so I'll start by apologizing for asking questions that I'm sure have been asked/replied too.

I've been rebuilding PT heads for almost two years, probably wrong...but hey, they work! Eventually after enough dry burns, the insulator will start to scorch. I've just recently submitted by second order to Lightning Vapes for replacements. Upon receipt, will rebuild the bad one's.

Now for the questions, if answered, please feel free to simply link me to the answer or a video.

1) For the PT - what's the best tool to use for tension wrapping a coil? I've been building using a blunt tip needle, somewhere between a 1/16 and 5/64 bit I think. Not sure what gauge it is. But....doing a tension wind on this didn't work well at all.

2) Best way to keep legs from getting hot. Given I'm not going to weld NR wire legs on is there a way to prevent this. I've read some put the coil on an RDA and fire it stating passing electricity through it helps/prevents this assuming the coil is as close to the rda posts as possible. If this is the way - what RDA is recommended. I attempted to try this on a Kayfun deck, but had a number of problems. (a) the posts are to wide and separated the coil I made for PT (b) the posts require the wire to be wrapped around the set screw thus distorting the wire. Is there a better deck to use where the wire goes through the posts and the set screw is tightened down onto the wire?


As this is a Kanger thread .........I guess the same questions would also apply to the SubTank. I've got a mini on the way (in addition to my first 50w VW regulated mod) and will probably experiment with rebuilding those OCC heads. Wife likes the idea of grabbing a coil, dropping it in, fill the tank and go. Using the RBA deck for her just won't cut it. Since I've got the ST on the way, I also ordered up some 26ga Kanthal - assuming this should work.

Is a touching tension coil the best on this platform ... or spaced?
I've read the best tool to use is something like a 3mm screwdriver - anyone got a link to what they use?
Like I said.... as above, how in the hell do you prevent burning the insulator and if done, are they as of yet replaceable?


Thx all for the help.

Hi T and welcome. No I don't blame you. I've dropped enough of a word count here to probably equal War and Peace. Still a good read for you as you go along. It's just not necessary right now. You just need to get the tool and make one.

I'll start with your first question…there is no better form or definition for a perfected coil than a tensioned micro coil. The reason is that the very definition of such a coil depends upon an optimal state of oxidation. Much of the process of winding and adjusting, correcting, etc. by other means and wind methods are rendered unnecessary if we rely on one simple and powerful tool — STRAIN. And the simplest way to apply strain, the most direct form, is using an ordinary pin vise. The same tool used by industry as the most practical for creating coil winds for generations.

Why is oxidation important? A Kanthal wire absent an uniformly insulating alumina oxide layer is not perfected. Look at its definition from the inception of its use. It runs in an efficient way whether a tensioned wind, multi-wire or open coil based on its ability to be adequately oxidized. Fail to get that in whole or part and you don't have a functional coil in practice or actuality. You have something that resembles an atomizer coil in appearance but not function. Because tension winding invokes molecular force to induce the closest turn-to-turn proximity (adhesion) there is no other type of wind we know that comes close to accomplishing as uniform an oxidation as a tension wind when it is electrically annealed, the most benign way to achieve its insulation. To the degree that others cannot they are inefficient and incapable of producing the same volume or density of vapor given similar parameters of mass, etc. Not physically possible.

Why? Because the effectiveness or efficiency of an atomizer coil is not simply a factor of its resistance or how much heat it gives off. The measure of a builds efficiency is, oddly enough, how well it actually vaporizes.

So, what we have is a simple method to produce a straightforward wind, in as optimized a state as can physically be approximated and so simple a child could do it. And they do with tension and pin vise every day around the world. Better still, once one is even moderately adept at the technique you will be able to make virtual mirror images of your winds.

Why is that important? Well, because aside from all the marvelous things we do on ECF which we all enjoy there is one thing we want to do reliably and predictably — get to our vape. Winding to an effective metric is our insurance that will always be possible. Not maybe, not close; but every time. As well to gauge how every other experiment fares against that experience. But I would emphasize that a tensioned contact microcoii is as much a wind as a process which I describe on this thread and other pages.

I'd suggest starting with this post T...Find the appropriate pin vise then continuing with the dozen or so general posts on the advanced thread...Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step. This will start to give you some appreciation for some of the terms used for this coil and method. Save your time, do advanced searches for terms or concepts on the Protank MicroCoil Discussion!! thread where the underlying approaches for termination, oxidation, symmetry, etc. are discussed.

If at any time things get quizzical post a lifeline or PM me. I'd be glad to help.

Good luck T.

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p.s. I've PM'd a special external link.


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