Thanks for the link and advice Mac.. I'll check again for hangers tonight when I re-wick it, and I'll post the pics I took also. Either way though, it's been vaping pretty good at 6.5-7watts, staying steady at 2.0ohms
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Thanks for the link and advice Mac.. I'll check again for hangers tonight when I re-wick it, and I'll post the pics I took also. Either way though, it's been vaping pretty good at 6.5-7watts, staying steady at 2.0ohms
Man you've been making great progress. Don't know what I'd be doin' with cotton in that thing. Me I'm lazy, I use the test media for my personal use. It's mostly Nextel, it goes and goes like the everready batt bunny. And with some of the techniques I've been posting it's becoming almost transparent in operation. A few glitches here and there with flavor but otherwise pretty seamless. You on the other hand are the real experimenter par excellance. I guess if you want answers, you gotta start a thread around here.
<walks off, scratchin' head>
Good luck M. Enjoy the vape.
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I'll tell ya Mac, I really lovee the flavor with cotton, but I'm really getting sick of installing it.. After months of building different coils and wicking them with the same cotton everytime, it's still hard to get the density and amount of cotton correct. I probably only wick my tank correctly about 1 out of every 4 tries, with cotton lol.
I'm definitely going to pick up some of that Nextel ASAP.. I've been saying that for months now hah
I'm definitely going to pick up some of that Nextel ASAP.. I've been saying that for months now hah
Well I guess that's as a good a segue as any to make a product announcement discovery I observed recently. It would appear that SnG Vapor has seen the light insofar as potential consumer demand for Nextel specifically for the closed atomizer market. To my pleasant surprise I noticed recently that they are selling Nextel hybrid ceramic Kanger coil assemblies. Yes that's right, completed assemblies in various resistance values…
Hybrid Ceramic ProTank Head, 1.8 ohm
Ok, it's not one of our super-duper contact micro coil bug-zappin' doohickey's but the price ain't bad.
So if you're too lazy to try the easiest thread in town into .7 inches to max out the slot (and 1/16" is that much of a challenge) you can go this-a-way. It's a hand-wind coil which won't make the best advantage of Nextel's incredibly efficient linear flow but it will demonstrate it's durability. They show 5 coils in the pic. I would say that's an excellent value even if they are easy to assemble with this wick.
Dont' get the impression I've said they're unbreakable. They certainly are, as any coil is. And the call is still out on number of repetitive uses as an average the typical user might expect. But what I can tell you is that if the coils have any diameter and termination precision they should be able to last weeks using some of the techniques discussed on this thread to prolong their life. Mind you, that's an estimation based on 100% of the densest tobacco blend you're like to use (except perhaps for some NET's). But it's the cheapest quality rebuild you'll ever pay for.
Worth a look and I'll be getting some soon if I don't get a response to my sample request.
Good luck M.
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You will get mixed answers, some say it's tastes better, some say it doesn't. Honestly, the lack of availability, price, and potential health effects if you get non-treated Nextel, makes cotton the clear winner in my book.
Wicking PT heads is a pita (microcoils anyway), but ultimately I also believe cotton is the best option.
i just pick a thin bit off of a cotton ball and roll it tightly between my fingers. i've been making smaller wicks like this to better the airflow and it's really improved the flavor i get out of my pt2s and mini pt2s.
<waving hand while sitting in the corner, lurking forever
pssssssssssssst, what's a "hanger"?
and thx
pssssssssssssst, what's a "hanger"?
and thx
An implement used to organize and store clothing, generally by suspension from some manner of rod.
Just kidding. Hangers are small bits at the end of the coil leads that protrude out of the grommet assembly (even ever so slightly) after clipping which can contact metal surfaces and cause shorts, resistance fluctuation, etc.
Just kidding. Hangers are small bits at the end of the coil leads that protrude out of the grommet assembly (even ever so slightly) after clipping which can contact metal surfaces and cause shorts, resistance fluctuation, etc.
PG that's the $64,0000 question. And five just gave the answer. The elephant in the room is what a PIA wicking is, or finding the balance of wick media density or flow rate for a device and juices. It comes with the territory. We each have to do it according to our tastes. And I'm not here to tell you what those choices should be. I came across the same difficult challenge Jun 13 of last year and after 2 weeks of sucking on wet sneakers and dry hits realized that archaic coil technology was not going to save me nor the soggy noodles people were using as wicks nor the persnickety fly fishing variety of winding we called wicking.
I set out to find out how vapers were accomplishing this difficult selection process and constructing working vaping elements. To see if, where and how these could be improved to get us where we need to go. I was immediately impressed with both Ekowool and Nextel. Cotton came soon after and is my personal favorite. It is also by far the most difficult wick media to use. It is ridiculously simple to wick in almost any manner. It is incredibly technically demanding, difficult to assess and install across all the kinds of devices we use with any consistency…so that it works predictably. The practice and testing required is tremendous. But I personally love it. If vaping were sculpture it is the ultimate rough stone. But using cotton is more like art than the science of a solution.
The key problem to solve quickly for me seemed getting clearo's working properly for most of us. That required a working coil and a wick media that just worked. The first one is easy. You need to have a proper electrical coil. We weren't making those but we probably know or have seen what one looks like since we were kids. Here on ECF great strides were made to identify a more efficiently working version with the adaptation of the contact coil which delivers heat more evenly and faster.
So now you've got a coil that works, tends not to flood your device and conserves your battery. Oh, oh…what do you put in it?
I'm looking at Jarb's answer to you f!ve and it helps identify another problem — whatever you're using seems the best. And it is! For you in that device, for that juice, how you're vaping, at that moment. But that is not the same as what the best vape could be. It's your frame of reference. Subjective, not fact. Wow, that means that likely most of us are missing out. Getting by. Paying muchly, and probably getting not the best milage for our gallon. Likely, I found. Routine.
So what's the answer. Throw a shoelace in it? Pretty much how we get over isn't it? That's what we mostly do, and call it great. It kicks the can down the road until the next disappointment.
Well, I thought it would be beneficial for me if I knew where the best performance came for the main device I was using, the Kanger series (clearomizers). That this might help a lot of folks win using that formula.
Rather a drawn out way of answering, I know, and sorry. But it boils down to this, LOL, you have to have something that wicks a lot of juices efficiently and consistently, not interfering, or that which least intrudes — colors or modifies the taste. That is simple to introduce into your build! That doesn't compound the problems we already have with our 510 devices. Here cotton can be a real nuisance.
But you'll see people swear that cotton is the ideal! Well yes, absolutely, it can be. If you find that perfect cotton wick/coil design and density, are that good with your fingers to reproduce it every time and stick to one device like a REO for example. You're a wicking robot that can't be beat and your vape will be perfect every time.
You know that person? I'd like to meet him/her. Otherwise, what is the most consistent wicking product? The answer is what vaporizes that bothersome elephant in the room.
And that by far I've so far found is the Nextel braid. Specifically the ceramic XC series, not the silica XS which shares the same weave. As I have stated on many posts over the past four months Nextel ceramic braid threads easily into 1/16" through about .07" (1.8mm) which is the range of optimal or necessary diameters for most clearos. You know the ones we almost all of us use and rely upon (even if we deny it). Threading is our nemesis, the bain of our existence. And Nextel is by far the easiest…if we understand and acknowledge that at the end of those 30 seconds or so it must perform consistently each and every time.
So PG is Nextel better than cotton? The straight scoop, the $64,000 answer, no. EMPHATICALLY, NO! Can everyone use it? That answer is unfortunately no too. For reasons of taste limitations, insertion/selection issues, consistency, reliability, durability, susceptibility of scorching and many, many others…it may not be applicable to the need at a particular moment.
Easy yes. Works? Uhhh, maybe. But Nextel and Eko work consistently and durably. With the first being incredibly and wonderfully easy to find a coil size for, thread, use and re-use.
That's what I have discovered. Consistency. And that PG is hard to find and what most of us need in our vaping universe. What gives us the best chance of refining our tastes and seeing what is possible for us…the big screen 3D experience for our vaping imagination…is a reliable uncolored wick in our atomizers from the outset.
My amazement came when I quit that it hadn't already happened. I'm trying to help folks to appreciate what I found...that improving their vape is possible! If your shoestring makes you happy though, God bless ya. Who am I to say? If you want to see the world of vaping, you'll need the workhorse of a wick/coil combo to test those limits. We were takin' the trip in a Model-T. Most of us still are.
Next speaker, please.
Good luck.
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You know Mac, you make it darn near impossible for anyone to follow when you wax eloquent like that. Do you write professionally IRL? If you don't, you should. You have a God given talent for it.
In any case, I will be the one to ruin the idealistic hush on the audience here with a simple question.
How on earth did rip trippers...or anyone else for that matter...fit twelve winds of 28g kanthal inside a pt head??? I simply have not been able to make it happen. I have my 1/16th drill bit, I am winding tight as possible, I am squeezing that coil til the spacing is essentially gone. And yet, 12 is unattainable. I short out every single time. I will say that after several tries I did get an 11 wrap to come out to 1.43 on my pt. It is doing pretty nice inside my eVod with three strands of cotton peaches and cream yarn and no flavor wick. But it is making me nervous because it makes my clearo and battery uncomfortably warm after four draws...fairly consistently. I need slightly higher ohms. Just slightly.
,.......???
On my phone as usual...
In any case, I will be the one to ruin the idealistic hush on the audience here with a simple question.
How on earth did rip trippers...or anyone else for that matter...fit twelve winds of 28g kanthal inside a pt head??? I simply have not been able to make it happen. I have my 1/16th drill bit, I am winding tight as possible, I am squeezing that coil til the spacing is essentially gone. And yet, 12 is unattainable. I short out every single time. I will say that after several tries I did get an 11 wrap to come out to 1.43 on my pt. It is doing pretty nice inside my eVod with three strands of cotton peaches and cream yarn and no flavor wick. But it is making me nervous because it makes my clearo and battery uncomfortably warm after four draws...fairly consistently. I need slightly higher ohms. Just slightly.
,.......???
On my phone as usual...
Thank you Tafkan! and now I will go back to the corner with my NEW very tiny wire cutters
Thanks for the compliment, sort of. I really must try to constrain myself. But I'm a latino, and passionate about getting people to a better vape! Doesn't help that I'm a zealot by nature to boot. I keep reminding myself about that wonderful Einstein quote, "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." Makes some sense. I try to, but I'm no genius. So please forgive me if I run too fast at times. I'm just an exuberant kid with good sneaks, giggling, tryin' to get you all on that same holiday park ride. Really!
I'll confirm. I've gotten up to 14-turns of 29 AWG to fire (sorta). Avg interval between adjustment, about 15 mins.
You bring up a good question. Many accounts here of even triple-coil builds on the KPT. I'm not going to dispute any of 'em. I haven't been able to get over an 11-turn of 30 AWG to work consistently in a PT (without side-shorting). And that result is posted as a viable build. That is with an absolute perfect symmetry as I've described (with legs tightly terminated in the direction they exit final turn). As a matter of practice. It's a Protank and a 510. It skews on contact. It's a starting point and you do the best you can each build. But ignore it and it's actually saves more time to scrap the build than spend hours fiddling with it over the weeks it might survive. Think about that. You build a proper electrical coil. Ten mins. Yer done. You gotta redo one every once in a while? It's not the end of the world.
Given how difficult it seems you have to question why the pre-pack industry is pushing even less efficient, less reliable, hand-wound dual-coils upon us. And on clearo assemblies even smaller than the Kanger line. And media celebs urging us to rebuild them!. You have to wonder. It's marvelous.
As for youtube temple it's theater. Where is media anywhere not? Got to admire their enthusiasm and that the todd's of this world bring us to it. All I'm gonna say about it. LTBB. As for me, I'm an avatar. I urge all constantly prove all things.
Good question.
Good luck.
Did a lot of winds for the Kanger line. The clearo's are more efficient in that they run cooler. I won't get into the viscosity issues and vaporization. But the 3TS kicks with 10or9 on 1/16 or .07" (what I've been referring to as 1.75). Recently I posted on 1.4Ω with 29 AWG on the Protank. And that was a surprising production zone for the PT with 9 turns. Prob fire a bit faster than 28 and a tad more economical on energy. Just a thought. I found another optimal at 2Ω, 9, 30, 4v, 8W. And I base that conclusion on how marvelously the tanks persisted.
Good vibrations?
Good luck.
I must be a gluton for punishment. I have one on my desk right now! A 14-turn, 28AWG in all her glory.
I just can't figure out where the wop in the side of the head she gives me is comin' from. But we're tryin', we're really tryin'...to see it comin.
Good luck flav.
I swap out the 10A PAN's for MNKE in the Sig's when I want to go over 10W M. I don't run these coils often in variables but sometimes I get the fever.
Good luck.
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