Really the problem I believe is dripping. I have been dripping exclusively lately except for a couple of things, I think the muted flavor I'm experiencing is because a good dripper setup will blast your taste buds with such intense flavor.
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Hope this helps.
Good luck.
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Then stay away from atty's with wick holes decorated in Nextel or ceramic or the Immo. You'll never want to desensitize.
I ran into a spat of that in Jan when I really started to rip the drip and kept trying all my friend's low-Ω yields. Too hot, not a problem. But far and away, way too DRY! I started to lose the sense of nuance in the vape. Particularly olfactory. Admittedly, I'm a cloud chaser. But not at the expense of flavor. And therein my interest from the beginning in producing more efficient electrical coils. I believe a more efficient wind electrically is cooler, more dense and accordingly more flavorful. That's what I strive for in all of my builds and experiments with power, resistance, wick and element. That's the ticket to the sweet spot for every juice. To find the flavorful optimal complement of these four elements.
And it doesn't have to be a sacrifice in vapor. You can get plenty of it…of the tight, dense explosively crash to the floor variety. When you see those on you tube, that's the man with the plan. They got the efficiency right.
Then there are times you just have to spew clouds…and fudge it..."It tastes awesome man! Great flavor. Don't she fire fast?" (On that 2-turn wind…cough…cough.)
Good luck f1ve.
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I love the convenience of clearomizers but I can't put a juice I have been dripping in the PT and expect it to taste remotely the same, no coil I can come up with helps.
It's why I won't drip my barrel steeped tobacco, I love the taste in the PT and am not going to ruin the experience
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I ordered an Atomic that will be here Friday and I bet this issue will be even worse after vaping what I believe to be the best RDA money can buy ATM.
It's why I won't drip my barrel steeped tobacco, I love the taste in the PT and am not going to ruin the experience
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I ordered an Atomic that will be here Friday and I bet this issue will be even worse after vaping what I believe to be the best RDA money can buy ATM.
I love the convenience of clearomizers but I can't put a juice I have been dripping in the PT and expect it to taste remotely the same, no coil I can come up with helps.
It's why I won't drip my barrel steeped tobacco, I love the taste in the PT and am not going to ruin the experience
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I ordered an Atomic that will be here Friday and I bet this issue will be even worse after vaping what I believe to be the best RDA money can buy ATM.
Agree 100%. One of the top 5 in my lineup, Tribeca, tastes nothing like it does in a tank, or particularly a carto, It seems like a homogenous flavor in a dripper, the nuance is lost with extremes of heat. Not a bad vape, just not a great vape. Same thing with Bobas to a great degree.
And btw, say again what's that barrel steeped remedy I should be vapin'?.
It's some that a fellow ECF member made up and steeped in a medium char white oak barrel.
He posted the recipe, he called it "Silas Deane Reserve". I will see if I can find the thread.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514301
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I just realized I have like 1ml left, I need to order the necessary stuff to make more
He posted the recipe, he called it "Silas Deane Reserve". I will see if I can find the thread.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514301
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I just realized I have like 1ml left, I need to order the necessary stuff to make more
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Welcome back M. Hasn't been fun without ya. LOL
Being reminded how much silica tastes like cardboard is well…a good reminder.
It's a winner ok, that AFCV is s p i c e y!!!
Good luck M.
Hah thanks Mac. I've been vaping a stock-Kanger 1.8ohm coil since yesterday - I have to say I'm suprised it's vaping so well, but hardly any flavor at all lol. I think the AFCV is the reason that the stock coil is even vapable for me again
Gonna try to build a micro sometime this weekend to really try out the Airflow
Gonna try to build a micro sometime this weekend to really try out the Airflow
Exakly. Any true side by side comparison would easily demonstrate that open coils do not produce the vapor or flavor density that a contact coil can. The latter is a more uniform, distributed heat or temperature. Open coils are hotter…unevenly, true! So they vaporize very narrow corridors and expand that vapor substantially. Perhaps more vapor. But not flavor or a consistent density. The Protank's never been throttled. It gets that way because irregular factory coils short. When they do the wick gets clogged with unvaporized pigments. Then it's like tryin' to suck ice through a straw…a cold wet vape and flooded device. Especially on half-empty. No wonder so many people pan the ProTank. But, honestly, it applies to any clearo with hand wound coils. Bound to happen.
You're gonna love the AFC as the vacuum changes and you can dial up the mix M. It's a real treat. And the bottom's better than ever.
Good luck.
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So, just had my first go at microcoil + cotton and WOW, especially Grant's Vanilla Custard tastes even more heavenly now
I only have 32 AWG Kanthal D, so that's what I used.
7 wraps on a 1.5 mm drill bit and some organic cotton (unboiled, I'm a rebel like that), came out at 2-2.1 Ohms on each of the 3 I made, I'm happy.
I like my vape at about 4 Volts in general, but gently tried cranking up the ProVari to 4.6 Volts with both GVC and Liqua's Vanilla, and damn it was good too
If the coils holds up as well as my normal, hand-wound coils, this is definitely the future for me, so thanks for all the inspiration this thread has given me!
I only have 32 AWG Kanthal D, so that's what I used.
7 wraps on a 1.5 mm drill bit and some organic cotton (unboiled, I'm a rebel like that), came out at 2-2.1 Ohms on each of the 3 I made, I'm happy.
I like my vape at about 4 Volts in general, but gently tried cranking up the ProVari to 4.6 Volts with both GVC and Liqua's Vanilla, and damn it was good too
If the coils holds up as well as my normal, hand-wound coils, this is definitely the future for me, so thanks for all the inspiration this thread has given me!
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So, just had my first go at microcoil + cotton and WOW, especially Grant's Vanilla Custard tastes even more heavenly now
I only have 32 AWG Kanthal D, so that's what I used.
7 wraps on a 1.5 mm drill bit and some organic cotton (unboiled, I'm a rebel like that), came out at 2-2.1 Ohms on each of the 3 I made, I'm happy.
I like my vape at about 4 Volts in general, but gently tried cranking up the ProVari to 4.6 Volts with both GVC and Liqua's Vanilla, and damn it was good too
If the coils holds up as well as my normal, hand-wound coils, this is definitely the future for me, so thanks for all the inspiration this thread has given me!
Micro coils hold together even better with cotton, as they can be rewicked many times, depending on the gunk factor, and the care in re-wicking. I usually rewick three or four times before I change the coil, and then I replace it because I'm not careful always in re-inserting the mandrel, or in getting the mountain of gunk off it. This lasts me anywhere from three days to a week generally. Other coils never lasted me more than two days, and I used to replace my kangers, even with my own coils, no less frequently than daily, or sometimes every other day. This varies from vaper to vaper and depends a lot on juice, heat, coil, wick, amount of liquid vaped, etc. The missus' coils last more than twice as long with the same coils and different juice. I do have to rewick every two days, sometimes three, but I start to lose my exquisite vape after two days for sure. YMMV. Good luck! You are definitely on to something!
The key factor is how many different setups you have going simultaneously. I tend to have flavor adhd, and have as many as ten different setups going on, with different juices. I just got around changing a bunch of coils that have been going for a good six weeks. I have recoiled using 30 g kanthal though and i'm pretty sure they won't last as long. 28 is very durable.
I use 50/50 to 70/30 pg/vg and i rewick and wash and dry burn, after each tank ( 3-4 ml approx ), and use the same coil with no noticeable deterioration in performance for at least 10 tanks full of liquid.
Why do you re-insert the mandrel ?
Been a while and the list is lean. Lots of ya out there can do these now, both m.c. and t.mc. Let's hear from you if ya have a couple of good carto-meters for crosscheck. Here is a sum-up of the most pertinent validations I have made for KPT (or as noted), addendum in blue…
32AWG, 7/6 1.75mm i.d. m.c. = 2.2Ω √
32AWG, 5/4 2mm i.d., loose m.c. = 1.85Ω √
30AWG, 11/10 1/16-1.58mm i.d., m.c. = 2.1Ω √ #292 MrOcelot
30AWG, 11/10, 1.2mm i.d., t.m.c. = 1.8Ω √ #601 Christopherja
30AWG, 10/9 1/16-1.58mm i.d., m.c. = 2.04Ω √
30AWG, 9/8 1.75mm i.d., t.m.c. =2.01 √
30AWG, 9/8 1.58mm i.d., m.c. =1.93Ω √
30AWG, 9/8 1.58mm i.d., t.m.c. =1.83 Ω √
30AWG, 8/7 1.75mm i.d. m.c. = 1.85Ω √
30AWG, 8/7 1/16-1.58mm i.d. m.c. = 1.81√
30AWG, 8/7 1/16-1.58mm i.d. t.m.c. = 1.73Ω √
30AWG, 7/6 1.75mm i.d., m.c. = 1.68 √
30AWG, 7/6 1/16-1.58mm i.d., m.c. = 1.57Ω √
29AWG, 10/9 1/16-1.58mm i.d., t.m.c. = 1.95Ω √
29AWG, 9/8 1.75mm i.d., t.m.c. = 1.92Ω
29AWG, 9/8 1/16-1.58mm i.d., t.m.c. = 1.72Ω √
29AWG, 8/7 1.75mm i.d., t.m.c. = 1.52Ω √
29AWG, 8/7 1/16-1.58mm i.d., t.m.c. = 1.40Ω √
28AWG, 12/11, 1/16-1.58mm i.d., m.c. = 1.3Ω #241 vdaedalus
28AWG, 10/9, 2mm i.d., m.c.= 1.62Ω
28AWG, 9/8, 2mm i.d., m.c.= 1.49Ω
28AWG, 8/7 2mm i.d., m.c.= 1.3Ω
Some standard verification m.c. winds are included for perspective. All results were three times hit, verified on separate cargo-meters and variable in operation. Wire spec is Temco, Kanthal A-1. Nominal lead lengths typically noted on avg. are ~7mm(Neg)+9.25mm(Pos).
m.c.= conventional (hand or mechanically wound) contact coil
t.m.c. = tensioned contact coil
Your submissions would be helpful and appreciated. Please post or pm and I will validate for this table as soon as possible.
(n.b. A mechanically wound coil is not necessarily tensioned. Preferably tension adequate to induce turn-adhesion must have been applied for its use to be inferred or reported. Not merely external heat or forming pressure. Thank you, as there will be resistance implications and its important to make the destination.)
Hope this info is helpful in targeting your temp sets. Let me know your validations please (or successful improvement so we can test it!).
Good luck all.
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10 different setups? We certainly don't vape the same way. I use one setup at a time. I vape one juice only. I vape my cinnamon Danish until it cannot be rewicked any longer. it has everything going against it except wonderful flavor. Then again, I only smoked one brand of cigarettes all those years, as well. BTW, I re-insert the mandrel to ensure coil integrity. If the mandrel will not work with the coil, then I replace the coil. I'm a stickler for proper coils and wicking and since I make most of my coils for the month in a few minutes often weeks ahead of time, I'd rather put a new, perfect coil on my device than worry about how many uses I get, or how long a coil lasts. My coils are so gunked up, that without inserting the mandrel, or a pin, I can't get them clean and ready to re-wick. My gunk factor is high and my need for an outstanding vape is strong. Why not replace the coil? At any given time, I have a dozen ready to install and that takes only a few seconds. Then a burn to oxidize layers, rewick, rewet, reinstall, then Nirvana. Here's a shot of my coils:
Here's my coiler:
A dozen coils in about 20 minutes. Easier to recoil than rewick a gunked up coil. Personally, I don't really like cleaning up the mess. I'd rather have a new perfect coil. YMMV. Good luck!
P.S. 10 tanks for me is 2 or 3 days...TOPS...and sometimes LESS! Again, YMMV.
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Many thanks. I have a coiling machine that does a very nice job for me, and really quick. I've been making coils for about a year now and have done all the builds and experiments that interested me and now just enjoy a 10 wrap coil (sometimes 9) with 29 guage on a 1/16" mandrel. The key is tension, adhesion and compression, then careful layering by firing. I never use tweezers or torch my coils, nor do I need to. It's simply not necessary if the build is right. 9 wraps is about 1.3 ohms and 10 is about 1.5 ohms. So, my coils generally are between 1.2 and 1.5 ohms, or "my sweet spot." YMMV. Good luck!~Wow Bill thosee are some niceeee looking microcoils
Those coils are nice, I must build a coiler.
I have a compact design in mind just haven't had the motivation to build it.
I must say that the coiler takes not only the fun out of it, but also the time, and the artistry. Now it's just so ho-hum, perfect coil, after perfect coil, after perfect coil, in seconds, without thinking about it.......oh yeah, that's what I wanted! Check out my blog for ideas on the subject, and good luck!
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