Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

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I'm super jealous, the 454 is an interesting rda...not sure if I would purchase one but has a very interesting negative termination setup.

My time is so limited I don't experiment much anymore, I have been meaning to do a dual vertical in the R91 but haven't found the extra time to even do that.

Heard that bro. Side by side comps with Tobh, both nice. Tho Tobh has deeper well lemme tell ya the 454 blows it's doors off down the track. Super easy build with the termination ring once you get over the mental orientation gymnastics. Second time around it's a snap. And at .4Ω tensioned you feel the warm wetness and throat hit but no hot wash.

Exactly as time as limited is all about MTV. Getting to solutions the rest of us can get to. This one happens to be a prime example in Nextel and tension config. it could well become your fav dripper.

A quick peek at another vertical ceramic iteration set up for an XC-132+116 tension wind showcase coming up…


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Still looking for a black button for this particular z2/CE combo.

And to think all based on technologies fleshed out by you all on this here thread for the Protank.

Thanks bunches all.

Good luck f1ve (think about it).

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I vape exclusively 6mg nic in 95% VG with PG closing the loop or thereabouts. I run only mechanical bottom fed mods and Rebuildable Atomizers. I roll in the 1 to 1.6 range of resistance

I wick roughly every 7 days (because I like clean sanitary atty internals - wick longevity beyond that to me is not desired) and replace my coils at varying intervals that coincide with either my boredom, my desire to increase / decrease resistance slightly, try a new build, shooting a video or my procurement of a new atty.

I've never burnt a cotton wick but have (once or twice) slightly singed them to the point where I tasted it. I have always been able to vape right thru and beyond it.

My vape is so Marlboro light like (or what I remember it to be) that it's scary.

My hands down, no question favorite wicking media is KGD.

Having tried CC rayon, I liked it because it vaped just like the KGD but for me, it's simply just nowhere near as simple to wick with. Not even close.

Up until last week, all I ever ran were single OG micro coils. I just added an AFC RDA into my rotation that facilitates dual coils. It's been modded to feed / drain for my feeders. For this RDA, I upped my ID to 14 ga and bumped my Kanthal up from 29 ga to 30 ga to reduce the lag. The build nets .94 ohms and It vapes like a Marlboro medium / red.

Wicking it with KGD is as simple as you can get. Trim, thread, position thru the wells, feed, vape, marvel at its authenticity, smile.

There is no way I would have had the patience to to that with CCR. No way. Just separating off the right density of a piece would have made me scrap the whole deal.

And I'm not about juice finger / hand so "prewetting" a wicking medium before threading is not in my vocabulary.

My brief use of CCR demonstrated to me that it is atleast as good as KGD but for my demands, I don't need anything better than KGD especially with its clip, thread, vape characteristics.

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My brief use of CCR demonstrated to me that it is atleast as good as KGD but for my demands, I don't need anything better than KGD especially with its clip, thread, vape characteristics.

Russ

I'm with ya bro and thanks for kickin' in. I found CC just as good in many respects and better in some. So much so that I'm parcelling it out and recommending folks try both. But my examination of this unusual material will be a bit more protracted and I'll try to wring the best out of that sucker I can get.

Good luck R.

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It's been a while since i posted here. Mac, you taught me too well ! I really haven't had any issues recently and i just don't feel the need right now to experiment with Ready X, CC, Rayon and whatever else you kids are wicking with these days.

Found my go to setup for the pt :

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29 awg 2.0 mm 10 wraps at around 2.0 ohms kgd

It's been working for me with the cleaner NET's and others at 9 to 10 watts.

Cig i will be trying a bunch of GeJ NET's with the build next week and will let you know how they perform.
 

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It's been a while since i posted here. Mac, you taught me too well ! I really haven't had any issues recently and i just don't feel the need right now to experiment with Ready X, CC, Rayon and whatever else you kids are wicking with these days.

Found my go to setup for the pt :

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29 awg 2.0 mm 10 wraps at around 2.0 ohms kgd

It's been working for me with the cleaner NET's and others at 9 to 10 watts.

Cig i will be trying a bunch of GeJ NET's with the build next week and will let you know how they perform.

Maz, great looking build. Excellent perpendicular termination. That coil should hold its shape long term. Wish I could get them to look that good every time.
Wicking density looks right on for kgd. Found that trimming the wick ends super short (so they don't contact the base in any way) helped to prolong wick life when vaping NETs as the flavor pigments tend to clog the wick anywhere the fibers get bent. NETs like nice straight fibers. Actually discovered this while confirming Macs' suggestions for trimming nextel. Thanks Mac!
Def like to know how the GEJ works for you Maz.

:)cig
 

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Maz, great looking build. Excellent perpendicular termination. That coil should hold its shape long term. Wish I could get them to look that good every time.
Wicking density looks right on for kgd. Found that trimming the wick ends super short (so they don't contact the base in any way) helped to prolong wick life when vaping NETs as the flavor pigments tend to clog the wick anywhere the fibers get bent. NETs like nice straight fibers. Actually discovered this while confirming Macs' suggestions for trimming nextel. Thanks Mac!
Def like to know how the GEJ works for you Maz.

:)cig

yeah i wish i could get them all to look like this too, but on the regular pt coils, i can most of the time. The aerotank coils is a different matter though, by the time i finish mounting, invariably something goes wrong ( whether it's a skew, or end wrap separation or asymmetry, something !). Might be the silicone grommets.

Anyway, will trim the kgd shorter for the GeJ's. I have eight different ones to try. Bought all eight for $ 60 shipped when they had the 50 % off sale. Really excited to try them.
 

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It's been a while since i posted here. Mac, you taught me too well ! I really haven't had any issues recently and i just don't feel the need right now to experiment with Ready X, CC, Rayon and whatever else you kids are wicking with these days.

Found my go to setup for the pt :

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29 awg 2.0 mm 10 wraps at around 2.0 ohms kgd

It's been working for me with the cleaner NET's and others at 9 to 10 watts.

Cig i will be trying a bunch of GeJ NET's with the build next week and will let you know how they perform.

Maz, what can I tell ya…way to go! You're a great example of what I wanted to see. Hey, take a simple experiment straight through. Most that do, get where you got. I train all the time. And I love to see it. Keep it simple and to the rudiments and it just works.

But THEN…ya wanna fly! That's a fact jack. And that's what I want to see more folks enjoy too. So glad you stopped in to give some encouragement. This thing's taking off in a lot of directions. Yet I really do love to see folks guided back to these two threads and not just get it in snippets all over. It saves time. 'Cause I want to see million man vapeathon on the FDA's lawn sometime real soon.

Great example of your build. I still have that love-hate relationship with the KPT. I don't think it'll ever end. So I'm forced to remain devoted like a sometimes manic, ambivalent lover. Also to the notion that tension technology as embodied here can be the gateway to a more advanced and enjoyable vaping lifestyle. You're proof positive Maz!

Glad you made it.

Hey too Maz, a great post at...http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing-high-wattage-produce-mor-carcinogens.html

Glad you posted that on General. A great discussion that needs to be had apart from the distracting esoteric wire and wick solutions. One we've been avoiding for a while. I promote the premise that due diligence is individual; but it deserves a prominent platform so that newcomers may often encounter it. I'm an advocate as it leads right to the path of proper electronics. I picked up a few solid leads to data for my research study from your thread. Quite some good discussion on these topics on Reddit and Vapers Den as well.

On rebuildables I'm pushing the envelope on resistance at .3Ω. Trying to find ways to optimize energy transfer with tension, wind geometry and symmetry. As you well know by now cool means efficient transfer and vaporization. So low-Ω is more attainable for more of us with tension. Clouds are great but not without the density of flavor along with it and I'm for that big-bang on both counts.

Thank you Maz and good luck.

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Maz, great looking build. Excellent perpendicular termination. That coil should hold its shape long term. Yes it should! Wish I could get them to look that good every time. MEETOO!
Wicking density looks right on for kgd. Found that trimming the wick ends super short (so they don't contact the base in any way) helped to prolong wick life when vaping NETs as the flavor pigments tend to clog the wick anywhere the fibers get bent. NETs like nice straight fibers. Actually discovered this while confirming Macs' suggestions for trimming nextel. Thanks Mac! YOU GOT IT CIG! My pleasure.
Def like to know how the GEJ works for you Maz.

:)cig

All synthetics act like a filter. Think mop and you know you gotta change 'em sometimes.

I'm averaging 3-days to a wash cig even with the best built t.m.c.'s and my densest tobacco blends. A lot more fiddly than I'd like. But you know, it's less than the drippers. How about that? I'm still down with the preventive rotation maintenance tactic for t.m.c.'s I described in general. It will extend life out to six weeks for some juices. Just sayin'.

Enjoy the vape all!

And good luck.

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Mac, my love/hate relationship with the pt has been in the love phase, ever since the aerotank base and 29 awg and kgd were added to my arsenal, and my builds got better ! Don't know, something about the draw and the slight crackle ... and the taste is really close to my kay/tais. The clouds never mattered much to me and the vapor is plenty good enough !

Cig, the Patriot is outstanding ! Will let you know how my build handled it after the tank is done. I usually rewick after every tank but won't in this case if there is no need
 
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Maz, great looking build. Excellent perpendicular termination. That coil should hold its shape long term. Wish I could get them to look that good every time.
Wicking density looks right on for kgd. Found that trimming the wick ends super short (so they don't contact the base in any way) helped to prolong wick life when vaping NETs as the flavor pigments tend to clog the wick anywhere the fibers get bent. NETs like nice straight fibers. Actually discovered this while confirming Macs' suggestions for trimming nextel. Thanks Mac!
Def like to know how the GEJ works for you Maz.

:)cig

Cig, my coils handled Patriot quite well. I ran about 5 ml before dryburn and re-wick. I could have run a few more ml too i believe, but i was changing flavors. I will be trying a few more of their NET's soon, but Patriot had no where near the gunk factor of some MOV and Ahlusion aromatic NET's. It wasn't as clean as HHV NET's mind you, but for someone like me who typically changes flavors after every tank, not an issue at all.
 

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Busardo's review of wicking materials was persuasive, I think:



Check it out! Thanks to Maz and Cig for sending the KGD. I would never have the time to do the testing that Phil has done, and while not scientific, it was very informative, imho. The wicking debates have been going quite a while now, as well as the wire debates, and I think I will be adopting the Japanese Cotton, replacing my two year old cotton rolls supply. Thanks guys!
 

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Haven't had a chance to watch, but definitely will. I got a chance to try one of cig's coiling devices with the spaced coil, not a contact coil. Have it in my aro wicked with rayon using the wick tuck method to avoid any wick sag.

I must say, it's working exceptionally well. In the aro with pretty tight airflow, I'm able to pump some wattage in there. I'm sure the rayon has a slight effect as it stays so saturated.

For whatever reason, when I did tmc's in the aro, no matter how perfectly I wicked it with cotton, I'd get some spray when it was heated. A flavor wick solved this, but restricted airflow too much. Needless to say, I'm very happy with the two sided tool.

Tmc's are still my go to in all other devices, but a 1.8 ohm standard spaced coil is definitely kicking right now. Will post photos later.

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Busardo's review of wicking materials was persuasive, I think:



Check it out! Thanks to Maz and Cig for sending the KGD. I would never have the time to do the testing that Phil has done, and while not scientific, it was very informative, imho. The wicking debates have been going quite a while now, as well as the wire debates, and I think I will be adopting the Japanese Cotton, replacing my two year old cotton rolls supply. Thanks guys!


Thanks Bill. Hadn't come across this very un-scientific video. First, I would not have compressed any of these materials as drastically as Phil did. Kind of amazing he had this kind of patience, lol.

However, it does very much confirm the compressibility of KGD and so the incredible similarity to the most capable wicking fiber I'm aware of…Nextel. And compressibility is what provides a wick it's flow potential where capillary action in a column test like this is concerned (a vertical wick) and makes it explode in a horizontal coil like those in a Protank. To cite a simple example; crimping the end of a garden hose.

However, the most relevant example is the optimal deflection of a clearo wick which is possible with a precise and uniform tensioned microcoil. Now we're talkin' folks.

I refocused tests of a variety of wicking materials to concentrate on Nextel as it is an ideal media for an enclosed tank. Particularly those of the dimensions of a consumer mass produced clearomizer. It's like the stuff was made for a device like this. It couldn't have been engineered with more precision for that 1.6-2.0mm diameter (or it's approximately kilned dimensions).

Nextel will not under-saturate. It's a fire hose. It will not be overpowered like cotton under high wattage. It will not flood if fitted to an appropriate t.m.c. and given enough power. And under these conditions will provide every bit of flavor for which cotton is renown. Perhaps even more so when adequately broken in. Funny, like after a couple good washes.

That's not to mention how incredibly and predictably it can be threaded. Talk about no fiddly.

But vapor output, Phil needs to vape a Protank for a year. No comparison to any other wick media bar none, except perhaps the wide open linear fibers of silica a few hours in before it totally degrades (if you can handle vaping through cardboard).

To put this in context, it's kind of good that Nextel wasn't thrown into this mix. It would've gone wet end-to-end in minutes, likely sooner, not the hour it took KGD.

Crickey.

So Phil (gratuitous message, sorry Bill). Taste is subjective but higher flow, energy handling and the evidence of energy conversion, i.e. vapor production, all equate to more flavor regardless of our individual potential to detect it. You can't argue preference where physics are concerned.

I do give Phil a lot of credit for doing the video and taking this on. This starts to get to the matters that really concern vapers…like are we really going to be able to maintain and enjoy these devices? Rather than the superficial characteristics of the latest tank variant (gone tomorrow) or the best and greatest new clearo dual-coil still being hand wound by who knows who in a place we seldom talk about. Or even though we do not see it, or care to, how these sloppy builds somehow give us such a great vape when in fact we know, or should know, they're shorting. Well, we do on this thread. We build 'em. And we know what makes them work, for reals.

The direction this thread took was simple…what actually works for the rest of us. That little minority has grown. Thanks to all of you, and you know who you are. I hope it soon becomes the most of us.

Good luck Bill, all of ya's too.

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Thanks Bill. Hadn't come across this very un-scientific video. First, I would not have compressed any of these materials as drastically as Phil did. Kind of amazing he had this kind of patience, lol.

However, it does very much confirm the compressibility of KGD and so the incredible similarity to the most capable wicking fiber I'm aware of…Nextel. And compressibility is what provides a wick it's flow potential where capillary action in a column test like this is concerned (a vertical wick) and makes it explode in a horizontal coil like those in a Protank. To cite a simple example; crimping the end of a garden hose.

However, the most relevant example is the optimal deflection of a clearo wick which is possible with a precise and uniform tensioned microcoil. Now we're talkin' folks.

I found and refocused tests of a variety of wicking materials to focus on Nextel for the precise reason that it is an ideal media for an enclosed tank. Particularly those of the dimensions of a consumer mass produced clearomizer. It's like the stuff was made for a device like this. It couldn't have been engineered with more precision for that 1.6-2.0mm diameter (or it's approximately kilned dimensions).

Nextel will not under-saturate. It's a fire hose. It will not be overpowered like cotton under high wattage. It will not flood if fitted to an appropriate t.m.c. and given enough power. And under these conditions will provide every bit of flavor for which cotton is renown. Perhaps even more so when adequately broken in. Funny, like after a couple good washes.

That's not to mention how incredibly and predictably it can be threaded. Talk about no fiddly.

But vapor output, Phil needs to vape a Protank for a year. No comparison to any other wick media bar none, except perhaps the wide open linear fibers of silica a few hours in before it totally degrades (if you can handle vaping through cardboard).

To put this in context, it's kind of good that Nextel wasn't thrown into this mix. It would've gone wet end-to-end in minutes, likely sooner, not the hour it took KGD.

Crickey.

So Phil (gratuitous message, sorry Bill). Taste is subjective but higher flow, energy handling and the evidence of energy conversion, i.e. vapor production, all equate to more flavor regardless of our individual potential to detect it. You can't argue preference where physics are concerned.

I do give Phil a lot of credit for doing the video and taking this on. This starts to get to the matters that really concern vapers…like are we really going to be able to maintain and enjoy these devices? Rather than the superficial characteristics of the latest tank variant (gone tomorrow) or the best and greatest new clearo dual-coil still being hand wound by who knows who in a place we seldom talk about. Or even though we do not see it, or care to, how these sloppy builds somehow give us such a great vape when in fact we know, or should know, they're shorting. Well, we do on this thread. We build 'em. And we know what makes them work, for reals.

The direction this thread took was simple…what actually works for the rest of us. That little minority has grown. Thanks to all of you, and you know who you are. I hope it soon becomes the most of us.

Good luck Bill, all of ya's too.

:)

Have never used Nextel, and no, it was not one of the options on the video. However, the video did clearly show some attributes that I found attractive, and I did very much like the time he took to do his comparison. I think maybe you should do a video using similar mediums, similar tests, or more scientific ones that you might design, and I, for one, will gladly review the results of those tests. Yes, taste is subjective, and different juices, work differently for different people in different devices. Perception is reality, regardless of the science, as we see every day, everywhere, including here. I look forward to any video reviews of the latest wicking and coiling materials. The forums rage on day after day with often anecdotal evidence and opinion at best, and some side by side comparisons, scientific or not, is greatly appreciated. Are you up for a video, my friend? I hope so...I certainly am. And I agree with you that Phil does deserve a lot of credit for this video. We just need more like this. We are only scratching the surface in the materials area of vaping, and most of the information is confusing, at best, and often, totally erroneous.

Like you, I can form my own opinions. But side by side comparisons, where we can see what's going on, that is sadly lacking. We need more, and I encourage this type of review. More, more, more. Best to you!

Edit: P.S. I'm a strictly organic kinda guy. I believe Nextel is alumina borica silica, a material that is outside my comfort zone, but that's just me. I have not researched it whatsoever. Hard to beat the natural fibers, for me, regardless of characteristics. Just my two cents.
 
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Have never used Nextel, and no, it was not one of the options on the video. However, the video did clearly show some attributes that I found attractive, and I did very much like the time he took to do his comparison. I think maybe you should do a video using similar mediums, similar tests, or more scientific ones that you might design, and I, for one, will gladly review the results of those tests. Yes, taste is subjective, and different juices, work differently for different people in different devices. Perception is reality, regardless of the science, as we see every day, everywhere, including here. I look forward to any video reviews of the latest wicking and coiling materials. The forums rage on day after day with often anecdotal evidence and opinion at best, and some side by side comparisons, scientific or not, is greatly appreciated. Are you up for a video, my friend? I hope so...I certainly am. And I agree with you that Phil does deserve a lot of credit for this video. We just need more like this. We are only scratching the surface in the materials area of vaping, and most of the information is confusing, at best, and often, totally erroneous.

Like you, I can form my own opinions. But side by side comparisons, where we can see what's going on, that is sadly lacking. We need more, and I encourage this type of review. More, more, more. Best to you!

Edit: P.S. I'm a strictly organic kinda guy. I believe Nextel is alumina borica silica, a material that is outside my comfort zone, but that's just me. I have not researched it whatsoever. Hard to beat the natural fibers, for me, regardless of characteristics. Just my two cents.

Thanks Bill. You know my unicorn — I'd like to get newcomers through this and on to bigger and better horizons asap. And too many fail to get that for far too long. I've defined an efficient baseline but it doesn't mandate Nextel. Just sound electrical basics. Not the esoteric. And definitely not if that's how they view it.

That's what I like!

Good luck.

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I have some ceramic, readyxwick both sizes, from rbasupplies. I rarely am able to thread the wick into the coil - old, bad eyes or, maybe, not too bright. Who knows but I have not had the kind of success that I have had with cotton or rayon. I "fray" it on the way to the start of the coil. Once frayed, it is over. I don't get too frustrated because, thanks to MacTech, I make such high quality coils that I enjoy cotton or rayon [both the building of the coil and the using of the coil].

Thanks Bill. You know my unicorn — I'd like to get newcomers through this and on to bigger and better horizons asap. And too many fail to get that for far too long. I've defined an efficient baseline but it doesn't mandate Nextel. Just sound electrical basics. Not the esoteric. And definitely not if that's how they view it.

That's what I like!

Good luck.

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I have some ceramic, readyxwick both sizes, from rbasupplies. I rarely am able to thread the wick into the coil - old, bad eyes or, maybe, not too bright. Who knows but I have not had the kind of success that I have had with cotton or rayon. I "fray" it on the way to the start of the coil. Once frayed, it is over. I don't get too frustrated because, thanks to MacTech, I make such high quality coils that I enjoy cotton or rayon [both the building of the coil and the using of the coil].

Hi CMD. I feel ya. I've got an inexpensive magnifier by Carson that's part of my travel kit. I have a pro unit at the workstation. Both essential most days.

Here's the thing. I sometimes go through feet of this stuff. Most folks wont. That's the issue. Ceramic wick is like an air plant. After kilning the inter fiber space at the frayed end will draw in moisture. This swells the end of the media and immediately makes it susceptible to fraying or splaying (it's woven overlapping sections separating).

Short answer: Cut away 3/8-1/2" of the media, cut a point at the tip with a 45 deg. bias and wick as normal. The material should not splay unless it is moisture damaged (retaining water).

So always try to keep ceramic wick dry. Suggestions to wet it are just incorrect for this reason. Immediately upon use lock it up tight…in a zip-lock or other airtight container. A small desiccant bag will help in that container. This will also help absorb any smells in the ambient air and help prevent the media retaining that.

Now what? Well if you're there and you have an end that's been exposed for more than a few hours it can get harder to work with. No question.

You'll need a narrow flat tip screw driver to help control the weave splays. First, cut the end at a bias of at least 45 degrees. This will create a very thin tip in XC-132 that's easily insertable into 1/16" or even less for the Protank or a REO. Pinch the media lightly between thumb and index as close to the slot as possible and rotate the wick slowly as it's inserted. Each splay will be a section of the weave and will separate one-by-one. As they do, tuck each in under the wire of the first turn.

Usually when the media reaches this state it takes one or two of these tucks to get enough of the wick in to apply a bit more turn and rotation to go through. More splays may develop but will fold back and go on through if enough of the media is already within the coil. Grab the tip on the other side and continue to rotate lightly as you pull through, if you can. The rotation will help deter further splaying.

CMD the same thing works for XC-116 with a slightly bigger flat tip of course. And it can be a bit messier. Just keep thumb and index as close to the end turn as possible. And don't be concerned to push in with a bit more pressure. If the media starts to bulge you need more rotation (in the direction of the coil wind) to offset it. The rotation helps pull the wick through. I've been able to thread XC-116 into 2.2mm (my favorite Ø for Nextel in drippers, 5-7 wrap, 2.75-5Ω, 26AWG) fairly easily. And man does this wick perform there.

I will say this about this media and a t.m.c….it is by far the coolest result of any media, period, for a given resistance wind. What does that mean? It's a cold vape. No. It's the vape that should result from that resistance were it not for inefficiencies of vaporization with other wind/media combinations. The consistent observation I make is the reduced surface temp of the atty with this solution. I won't explain what that means in terms of flavor and vapor efficiency. That should be understood. If that atty is not overheating you know you got it good. And that's why controlling those splays is worth it CMD.

However, that doesn't mean you can't or won't get a warm vape if you want it. Just that you'll be producing vapor more efficiently at whatever resistance target you choose. You may find you can easily go lower for more power. Or that you're getting ample vapor at a higher target. Adding a little diffusion (heating of the vapor) if that's what you like,,,is a technical option, not the definition of a good wind. This is accomplished easily with wire size and multi-wire configurations, single wire being hotter in it's surface temperature than say twisted and parallel's between the two.

And the results have been pretty spectacular and not just on the Protank…


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So go for it people. As far as man-made goes this is top-of-of-the-line and far and way more reliable and predicatable than the latest rayon excitement. In retrospect I'm so happy personally that I was able to overcome my own skepticism about Nextel. There was a very small nucleus of folks on ECF and Reddit still at all interested in it last Summer. Just enough to pique my curiosity as I began my research on consumer wick media.

And to you CMD, best of luck.

:)

p.s. This was a 26 AWG 6-wind on 2.38mm, ~4.0Ω and btw my coolest build ever, in every way.
 

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Thanks Bill. Hadn't come across this very un-scientific video. First, I would not have compressed any of these materials as drastically as Phil did. Kind of amazing he had this kind of patience, lol.

BTW, pb I do hope (if you're listening in) that I was paying you a compliment. And I do appreciate all of your efforts on the tube to stir enthusiasm for vaping.

And if you are listening pbusardo, please take note that there are some new big guns in the vaping universe these days…the contact micro/macro/mini coil, the ceramic wick and the t.m.c. (tensioned micro coil) as featured prominently on this thread.

This dynamic trio would rock the vaping world if enough of you folks understood the ease of use, durability, flavor consistency and performance these things promise for the novice still struggling with the evolving lavishness of clearomizers being thrust upon us.

But at the end of the day a Nautilus or Mega might be great…but not with one of these in it...





If ever vaping stood a chance of causing an accelerated mass exodus from tobacco and transition to the vaping lifestyle it very well could be due to the attributes of the fine combination of elements I describe. In a phrase...fundamanetal electrical efficiency. Not the asymmetrical, shorting heat of our "new" more sophisticated consumer tanks and coils driven by ever lower ohms and [higher] power that the above picture describes (a frame grab from Rip T's PT2/PT3 comparison video, thanks for that RT).

Is it just me, or does anybody else pick up that every new "improvement" has an exponentially higher potential to short and limit its life? Like coils with squirrel-ly compressible silicone grommets, which prompt the need for non-resistance wire then…ever more expensive tanks. All of which are increasingly harder to rebuild (and more expensive to operate). Not to be beat, the retail price.

Just sayin' folks.

:)
 

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