Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

[crg31953]

Hey Mac,

Actually it pulled through quite easily, I folded it in half and pulled it through with a piece of wire. It didn't distort the coil at all.
The XC-116 is quite small and is hollow, for some reason though juice does not penetrate the outer weave, Believe me, I've tried.
Maybe it's bad wick as cig mentioned, but at $8.00 a foot I don't plan in testing beyond my original purchase.

Opinions on the 3mm have not been formed yet.

I have noticed one thing, XC-132 usually is shipped with taped ends to prevent fraying. XC-116 does not need this, it does not fray when cut.
I also believe the heat treating of both may be different, I could be wrong but to me the physical appearance seems different, the XC-116 being tighter.

vape On My Friends!

 

[cigatron]

Hey Mac,

Actually it pulled through quite easily, I folded it in half and pulled it through with a piece of wire. It didn't distort the coil at all.
The XC-116 is quite small and is hollow, for some reason though juice does not penetrate the outer weave, Believe me, I've tried.
Maybe it's bad wick as cig mentioned, but at $8.00 a foot I don't plan in testing beyond my original purchase.

Opinions on the 3mm have not been formed yet.

I have noticed one thing, XC-132 usually is shipped with taped ends to prevent fraying. XC-116 does not need this, it does not fray when cut.
I also believe the heat treating of both may be different, I could be wrong but to me the physical appearance seems different, the XC-116 being tighter.

Vape On My Friends!

Backwards crg? Xc-132 is the slim wick(2mm). Xc-116 is the larger 3mm.

Anyway, good luck with the 3mm. I think I'll try the rxw slim again on my next dripper build just to make sure I'm not crazy. Seems like it should have worked great in my kangers but......


Mac, no flavor wick in my kangers ever. I use an older evod chimney seal with nextel. It extends downward further than the pt ones. Elliminates the need for a flavor wick. Are you saying that nextel doesn't perform as well without a flavor wick?

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[crg31953]

Thanks cig,

A misunderstanding on my part! All I know is that the slim I received from RBA isn't wicking like it should?

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[MacTechVpr]

Thanks cig,

A misunderstanding on my part! All I know is that the slim I received from RBA isn't wicking like it should?

Vape On Friends!

Backwards crg? Xc-132 is the slim wick(2mm). Xc-116 is the larger 3mm.

Anyway, good luck with the 3mm. I think I'll try the rxw slim again on my next dripper build just to make sure I'm not crazy. Seems like it should have worked great in my kangers but......


Mac, no flavor wick in my kangers ever. I use an older evod chimney seal with nextel. It extends downward further than the pt ones. Elliminates the need for a flavor wick. Are you saying that nextel doesn't perform as well without a flavor wick?

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The flavor wick is an essential part of the flow. It saturates the coil and wick from above. And the build simply doesn't work without it. There's your answer. You will immediately be able to vape. I guarantee it. Use the standard double-height dual-wick silicone chimney cap and it meets up snugly to a single-coil .07" install with top-wick. No dry outs, even with the monster at 22.5W which is is above the rated wattage for that coil. Output diminishes beyond that with that wind and airflow.

Good luck.



p.s. I haven't had a supply from RBA in some time as I haven't had a team of interns in since school started. It's usually very consistent; but, a variation in kiln lots is possible. An indicator would be that the wick Ø differs, either thinner or somewhat thicker (unusual for treated).

 

[cigatron]

The flavor wick is an essential part of the flow. It saturates the coil and wick from above. And the build simply doesn't work without it. There's your answer. You will immediately be able to vape. I guarantee it. Use the standard double-height dual-wick silicone chimney cap and it meets up snugly to a single-coil .07" install with top-wick. No dry outs, even with the monster at 22.5W which is is above the rated wattage for that coil. Output diminishes beyond that with that wind and airflow.

Good luck.



p.s. I haven't had a supply from RBA in some time as I haven't had a team of interns in since school started. It's usually very consistent; but, a variation in kiln lots is possible. An indicator would be that the wick Ø differs, either thinner or somewhat thicker (unusual for treated).

Mac, should I have to screw nextel-132 into a .07 coil or should it slide through with little effort? On my previous .070 builds I screwed it in just to avoid fraying but after break in (swelled up) it would EASILY slide back and forth through the coil. I actually had to be careful not to lose it during washings. My sample seems to have better compression in a .065 coil. Seemed a little too tight in .063. Let me know. I'll try it with a flavor(less) wick this time too.

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[MacTechVpr]

Mac, should I have to screw nextel-132 into a .07 coil or should it slide through with little effort? On my previous .070 builds I screwed it in just to avoid fraying but after break in (swelled up) it would EASILY slide back and forth through the coil. I actually had to be careful not to lose it during washings. My sample seems to have better compression in a .065 coil. Seemed a little too tight in .063. Let me know. I'll try it with a flavor(less) wick this time too.

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Yes it should require rotation and a little delicate forward push into .07". The end point has just enough of the beginnings of fray (not yet a splay of the weave) to require cutting it at a 45 deg angle for easier insertion. If the minute spray of fibers at the tip are forced, the weave will begin to unravel or splay.

The typical diameter for treated kilned is about a tad over .06" (closer towards the low side from the middle between it and .07"). It's just touching the jaws of the caliper and slips out if not held. Just measuring the spread on a few RBA remnants run end of Summer and end Sep I get .067-.069 for the tip spread. And that's what you have to overcome going in.

So YES! It should be easily insertable. How about that?

Insofar as expansion, I'm measuring a few uncompressed top wicks that have gone once through and the average is .073" (just touching weave wall enough for caliper to retain). So as you may see there is some considerable expansion of the overall diameter with XC that's been well broken in. Wicks will reflect a diameter after use more consistent with the coil in which used. Top-wicks provide a clue as to how much expansion may occur with certain liquids. And accordingly suggest a diameter for best deflection.

Good luck cig.

 

[cigatron]

Yes it should require rotation and a little delicate forward push into .07". The end point has just enough of the beginnings of fray (not yet a splay of the weave) to require cutting it at a 45 deg angle for easier insertion. If the minute spray of fibers at the tip are forced, the weave will begin to unravel or splay.

The typical diameter for treated kilned is about a tad over .06" (closer towards the low side from the middle between it and .07"). It's just touching the jaws of the caliper and slips out if not held. Just measuring the spread on a few RBA remnants run end of Summer and end Sep I get .067-.069 for the tip spread. And that's what you have to overcome going in.

So YES! It should be easily insertable. How about that?

Insofar as expansion, I'm measuring a few uncompressed top wicks that have gone once through and the average is .073" (just touching weave wall enough for caliper to retain). So as you may see there is some considerable expansion of the overall diameter with XC that's been well broken in. Wicks will reflect a diameter after use more consistent with the coil in which used. Top-wicks provide a clue as to how much expansion may occur with certain liquids. And accordingly suggest a diameter for best deflection.

Good luck cig.

Ok, so I wound up a 29awg 8/7 .063 coil 1.5ohm tmc for my test. (.070 was too big). Perfectly set and symmetrical. Wick cut at 45° inserted by starting w/ a screw motion. Once started it slid through with only slight resistance. Did not fall out when tilted or shaken. Clipped ends at approx 30° and even w/ the wickhead flange. Inserted nextel flavor wick on top. Primed and vaped 3ml of clean juice. Rinsed with warm water followed by cool water. No dry burn.

I'll let you know how it turns out after full break in but right now I'm limited to 9 watts w/ regular draw effort. Any higher wattage requires me to draw too hard to keep it from running lean. Really thinking I got a bad length of it though. We'll see.

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[crg31953]

We will get there one way or another!!!

I don't give up that easy!

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[cigatron]

We will get there one way or another!!!

I don't give up that easy!

Vape On Friends!

Crg, how's that 3mm working out?

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[crg31953]

Crg, how's that 3mm working out?

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The Jury is still out Bro!!

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[super_X_drifter]

I know I ain't no pro but my setups are built like tanks so, let's just sit right back and enjoy a tale,

A tale of so little gunk.

Resulting from such an efficient build by a this micro coilin punk

It started with a tensioned wind in micro coil size, I vaped it for a freakin month and can't believe my eyes. I can't believe my eyes.

My vape was 10mg unflavored nic in a base of VG. It's wicked damn perfectly with stuff called KGD.


Alright, enough Gillian's island. These 29 ga coils, netting 0.7 were built nearly a month ago. I pulsed em quick today to dry them for a fresh KGD insertion.

Damn impressive Id say.

Quick heat up. Quick cool down. Right air / fuel mixture. Doesn't bog in the low rpms and revs to the moon.

In summary, when variables such as wire gauge that is correct for the resistance you are targeting is used, your drip tips exhaust capacity is matched to the air intake capacity, the wire heats fast and subsequently cools fast, you don't foul plugs (gunk up coils) like you do when you use big thick wire that takes forever to heat up and is still carmelizing juice on your coil long after you quit sucking on it.

 

[Monotremata]

That KGD looks so weird when its wet like jelly he he.. Stoked I just got my 29ga spool today, but my 1.4 ohm twisted 32ga in the Kayfun is still going strong so I didn't wanna tear it down yet he he.. Those are 10 wraps Drifter? Might have to try it when this tanks done (still testing my first couple a batches of diy juice at the moment hah)..

 

[cigatron]

First I'd like to stipulate that this is not my first go at reviewing RXW (slim). I've successfully wound and installed hundreds of coils in kanger tanks and drippers so it's likely that the section of ceramic wick that I purchased from RBA is defective in some way.

Vapor production is not on par with kgd cotton at any wattage setting. Flavor has consistant metallic notes. The sweet flavors in all my juices are greatly diminished. Early wick clogging is definitely an issue.

As I said, perhaps I received a defective piece. Maybe over kilned I don't know. I don't want to say conclusively that RXW slim sucks but man I'm totally burnt out on trying to make it work as good as kgd.

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[pjmarkert]

Hey Mac, I take it this thread has drifted away from it's title: "Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!" much good info though.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Hey Mac, I take it this thread has drifted away from it's title: "Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!" much good info though.

Hey pj nice to see you! Yeah, it does drift away at times it seems. Ceramic braided wicking though is not a topic that's been central to the theme, true. But precise efficient builds capable of taking advantage of the flow of synthetics like Eko and Nextel though is the heart of it. I'm stuck on KGD for the maximum gusto. No question. But practical everyday rebuilding is at the core of what tensioned micro's are all about. Most of us can't rewick all our stuff every day. We have jobs, families, a life. Quick and dirty basic electronics lets us max out our enjoyment of vaping without too much of an intrusion into everything else.

There's a lot of latitude here to discuss how the tech migrates to other devices and our success elsewhere. I'm kinda glad to see that. I would hope that those who've gained from being here will continue to contribute by driving traffic to this thread from among new vapers. I'd be thrilled to see it survive, an ongoing an exposition of how t.m.c.'s help us adapt quickly and achieve a broader enjoyment from the cornucopia of wonderful options we have available to us.

On that note I'd like to thank all who've participated here in making this a serious place to learn and pass on to others. Grateful myself for the opportunity to lend a hand to those wanting to improve their vape. And to those dedicated enough to be such good sports to share their difficulties with all of us. Thank you all.

Thanks for looking in pj and to all of you a Happy Thanksgiving.

Good luck.

 

[mbost]

Id like to add a bit if I can. Stumbled across this thread when I joined up. I was looking at ways to re-build my own coils for my protank 2. I fell head over heels for this "micro coil" thing. Tried my first ever coil build today. Tension wrapped a piece of 30 gauge kanthal wire around a 1/16 drill bit and what do ya know, first try and she hits like a dream. 7 wraps at 1.6 Ohm. Organic cotton ball wick from Walgreens. If it wernt for you guys and gals, id still be crazy enough to spend $9. Instead its around $0.15 for a pack of 5. Im lovin it. If I remember, Ill take pics tomorrow. Its actually a lot easier, and better looking, than I though it would be. Thanks folks.

Build so far:
Kanger ProTank 2
DIY coil/wick 30awg Kanthal @ 7 wraps @ 1.6 Ohm and Organic Cotton Ball, big rubber gasket flipped upside down, no flavor wick
Aspire 1600 mah CF VV @ 4.3V
Premium Tobacco 60/40 16mg nic

 

[Monotremata]

Id like to add a bit if I can. Stumbled across this thread when I joined up. I was looking at ways to re-build my own coils for my protank 2. I fell head over heels for this "micro coil" thing. Tried my first ever coil build today. Tension wrapped a piece of 30 gauge kanthal wire around a 1/16 drill bit and what do ya know, first try and she hits like a dream. 7 wraps at 1.6 Ohm. Organic cotton ball wick from Walgreens. If it wernt for you guys and gals, id still be crazy enough to spend $9. Instead its around $0.15 for a pack of 5. Im lovin it. If I remember, Ill take pics tomorrow. Its actually a lot easier, and better looking, than I though it would be. Thanks folks.

We got another one guys!!

Yeah it was pretty amazing going from the Kangers to micros.. Mine are mostly 32ga 6 wraps/1.8 ohms same as the stock ones but the tension wind is evil next to the flimsy spaced Kanger coils.. Plus its fun watching em heat from the center out when you dry burn em hehe.. Make sure you get some grommets cause eventually they'll wear out from pulling em out.

And yeah learn all you can! Starting here made moving to an RBA very easy if you end up there! Some serious science going on in here!!

 

[mbost]

LOL. Yeah. Definitely converted another. Ill be teaching my brother in law how to make his own coils today. Unfortunately for him, he has switched to the aspire bdc clearomizers because of the crappy kanger stock coils. So hopefully this will get him back to his old favorite. Ill also be making a new coil, partly to play, and mostly because my first doesn't have the coils actually touching. Didn't know how close they could be, but after seeing a few more pictures, I think Ill try something along the lines of Super X's coil set up. Have a good one yall. Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[MacTechVpr]

We got another one guys!!

Yeah it was pretty amazing going from the Kangers to micros.. Mine are mostly 32ga 6 wraps/1.8 ohms same as the stock ones but the tension wind is evil next to the flimsy spaced Kanger coils.. Plus its fun watching em heat from the center out when you dry burn em hehe.. Make sure you get some grommets cause eventually they'll wear out from pulling em out.

And yeah learn all you can! Starting here made moving to an RBA very easy if you end up there! Some serious science going on in here!!

Eggzakly!!!

Happy Holidays all!!

Good luck and a great vape!

 

[clnire]

Wishing everyone who celebrates Turkey Day has a good one!