Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

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MacTechVpr

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Ya Cig, I can hear the echoes from here. Since it's so quite thought I would ask a question to all, how many of you DYI your own ejuice? Just interested.

Good morning Dan, and Happy New Year.

Yep here. Did from the jump. First thing, nailed down the tobacco sub that could keep me going. Then figured out a close approximation. I've never had to resort to it but enjoy it as a change now and again. In retro, it's not even close lol, but it served its purpose as a security blanket. Now 18 months forward, experimenting with recombining pre-made and then tweaking these I can concoct pretty much whatever I imagine as an outcome from scratch…now that I know what my flavor preferences are. And to my surprise, at the end of the day, my bestest ADV happens not to be a tobacco. How about that, after a lifetime of being an avid tobacco lover. I still am though, and mix them too.

Dan go visit The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread where one of tensioned micro's best friends, Bill's Magic Vapor (<<<his contributions start here), has introduced an innovative no-steep methodology which allows you to savor and enjoy your mixes immediately. There's a wealth of DIY info on ECF but this would be a great place to start because frankly…as a tensioned coil innovator like us...he knows exactly how to get the most out of it.

Good luck.

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I love building new coils, all tensioned, none of which would've been possible had I not found this thread many moons ago ... been absent (i find I spend way too much when I'm constantly active on this forum, so I've tried to stay away a little ... be a lurker.

Anyway, thanks to all, that have contributed to my understanding of tmc and tensioned spaced coils.

looking forward to this year's innovations!

Diy juice still scares me though. :lol:
 

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Just pushed the checkout button at MVS on some v3.0 Airflow bases for both the Aerotank and Mega. The stocker's just don't seem to do a high-power wind and wick due justice. And it starts to become a real issue with the increasing prevalence of more robust variable wattage mods.

Neither of the two tanks seem to be able to keep up with the twisted center post 18-turn I've pictured here. Nor very convincingly for 28 AWG winds under 1.6Ω. Yes they can produce a great deal of vapor volume and flavor but viscosity issues soon rain on that parade at high power. Not going into a detailed discussion here, it's late. But given that these winds do fabulously on other platforms with more airflow it would seem intuitively to be the problem.

If some of you hit the bull's eye with one of these we'd sure like to know.

Good luck.

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I'm sorry. I don't even own or want a Kayfun. Ok so I am old and old school. What I have works for me, I rebuild better each time, and it costs me pennies. Right now I just don't need 100 watts (8 is about the highest I go), the latest and greatest (that is going to change tomorrow), so I take everything I am learning to be cost effective and self sufficient and that's my story and I'm sticking to it (for now...)

Just to give ya little late nite teaser and some promise perhaps. There are a lot of one device users out there. Look at super_X for example. Folks who like to focus on one approach that satisfies their needs. In that sense I gotta tell you that so far to me it would seem Kanger may have hit a home run with the Subtank. It's not going to be the best fit for everyone but it's going to provide those that do with the versatility of every option. Yes, they've covered all their bases with a very wise move from a value perspective and a lot of business sense.

Good luck all and goodnight.

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p.s. And Kanger for gripes sake understand you gotta put the rubber on the road. We can't drive these things without silicone to shod 'em with. So make those replaceables happen! You listening Sean?
 
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Mac, you got me interested and I found and watched a review on the new Subtank. It is as you say versatile, the heads that come with the tank also use kanthal, wicked with Japanese cotton, wondering if they can be rebuilt? I know you will let us know. For someone like myself it is also an easy intro to RTA's. But I agree it may not be for everyone but it is huge step forward for Kanger. Can't wait to hear a comprehensive review from you and others.
 

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Mac, you got me interested and I found and watched a review on the new Subtank. It is as you say versatile, the heads that come with the tank also use kanthal, wicked with Japanese cotton, wondering if they can be rebuilt? I know you will let us know. For someone like myself it is also an easy intro to RTA's. But I agree it may not be for everyone but it is huge step forward for Kanger. Can't wait to hear a comprehensive review from you and others.

I'm wondering about this part. I'm flavor sensitive and tasted the diff in the NR wire solution when the d/c coils came in. Likewise here and a distinctively different flavor interpretation from the Japanese cotton.

I applaud Kanger for opening their architecture. Certainly not the only one but notably given their market share.

I've done several builds on the Mega and will no doubt attack the Sub as time permits. I no longer run a half dozen or more PT's a day on matched power sources as I did in 2014 with other Kanger's in the background. Not droppin' that kind of flow. It's known or can be known how much better t.m.c.'s can run with JC/ceramic/etc. And the more of us do it, the more the community will know about the potentials and benefits to all of us for this tank and tensioned contact tech.

One of the great aspects of this thread is that there is so much info in one place related to clearo's that you stand half a chance of actually making one work. The hunt is that much easier compared to the countless searches I confronted across all of ECF to get answers and validate them when I started. I still recommend the latter though, always. Especially comparison to the still prevalent conventional eccentric hand wind which I'd like to see more here in both discussion and exhibition. What we do here is not a style but exploring the means to perfect our circuits using every tool that science gives us. Using a repeatable method and consistent platform helps make our results comparable and portable to every other device we are likely to own.

This year I hope more folks will post pictures and yes videos!. I think we all particularly enjoy when folks nail that first sticky t.m.c. And yeah as others said, their own adaptations of how they made it fit, their own ergonomics. That would be great. Stand up and be counted gang.

Good luck all.

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Hey Mac, I truly appreciate your rundowns on these device's.
I am still very content with my 1.8ohm t.m.c.s of the single coil variety. I actually prefer to stay out of the sub-ohm category.
Are these devices going to be any kind of advantage?

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Just pushed the checkout button at MVS on some v3.0 Airflow bases for both the Aerotank and Mega. The stocker's just don't seem to do a high-power wind and wick due justice. And it starts to become a real issue with the increasing prevalence of more robust variable wattage mods.

Neither of the two tanks seem to be able to keep up with the twisted center post 18-turn I've pictured here. Nor very convincingly for 28 AWG winds under 1.6Ω. Yes they can produce a great deal of vapor volume and flavor but viscosity issues soon rain on that parade at high power. Not going into a detailed discussion here, it's late. But given that these winds do fabulously on other platforms with more airflow it would seem intuitively to be the problem.

If some of you hit the bull's eye with one of these we'd sure like to know.

Good luck.

:)

Not sure what the v3 base will buy you because the V2 base already flows more air than the pos pin. BTW if you all building singles are not using the insulator and pos pin from the dual coil heads you are missing out on some serious airflow advantage. I think the id is like .007 larger than the latest single if I recall correctly.
 

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The new kanger subtank works great as an RTA. The stock OCC.....well.....it's ok I guess.The coils didn't look all that uniform in the five that I opened up. Flavor is better than protank style clearos and on par with the Atlantis to me. I've kinda gotten used to RTA's and RDAs though so all my protank style tanks have found their way into the vape drawer. Having tried the subtank now on three different occasions I'm giving some thought to getting one.

How about those red tank seals the scream "I have a subtank, I have a subtank!" from across the room?! Lol
 

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Ugh. See what happens when I get somewhat active again... money disappears from my bank account too quickly!

Me too brook, bought a Lemo, Billow, Egrip and an IPV2 in the last few weeks. The subtank in RTA mode is on par with my Lemo w/single coils builds down to .8 ohms. Lemo does great with builds from .4 to 1.8 ohm builds due to the afc. Can't see why the subtank would be any diff. And seven mil capacity....it's big.....did I mention it's big......and oh yeah, before I forget....it's big! 25mm diameter makes it look a little awkward on smaller box mods and 22mm mechs.

Oh yeah, hi brook, it's been a while.
 
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Not sure what the v3 base will buy you because the V2 base already flows more air than the pos pin. BTW if you all building singles are not using the insulator and pos pin from the dual coil heads you are missing out on some serious airflow advantage. I think the id is like .007 larger than the latest single if I recall correctly.

I know your response makes perfect sense cig. Then again, it begs the question…why did Kanger engineers see fit to deem them appropriate for production? Indeed, they [v3] now displace the presumptively adequate v2's in the lineup.

Pssst…which by the way are certainly not.

Sorry been watching too much British television. :D

(Note to self, avoid black-and-white films.)



Just sayin'.

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p.s. I am testing both stock open-slot d/c heads as well as SLV's version. I don't recall the exact specs. I know the pins are thicker. Don't recall the pins' air hole sizes. Currently 28 AWG winds are performing quite well as Nex-T singles. Precisely the problem. Too well. Particularly in the Mega. Constraining diameter would seem to be indicated but would also create more potential for standing leaks at the slots when hot. Conundrum. Cotton and rayon might fare better with this solution. Except for so many folks that can't rewick every other day or won't. And that unfortunately is too many of us.

p.s.s. Interesting discussion this evening at a B&M with a user who maintains the Atlantis doesn't leak from the air holes. Very interesting. I must me lucky. I can make anything leak.

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Me too brook, bought a Lemo, Billow, Egrip and an IPV2 in the last few weeks. The subtank in RTA mode is on par with my Lemo w/single coils builds down to .8 ohms. Lemo does great with builds from .4 to 1.8 ohm builds due to the afc. Can't see why the subtank would be any diff. And seven mil capacity....it's big.....did I mention it's big......and oh yeah, before I forget....it's big! 25mm diameter makes it look a little awkward on smaller box mods and 22mm mechs.

Oh yeah, hi brook, it's been a while.
Lemo seems cools. 23 mm. Billow seems full on bad ayuss. Ipv2 is nice. Egrip is very interesting.
 

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Lemo seems cools. 23 mm. Billow seems full on bad ayuss. Ipv2 is nice. Egrip is very interesting.

Billow leaks when placed horizontal. Lemo doesn't. Can't explain why. Vapn the Billow right now at a very comfortable slightly warm 35w. It'll chain at 50w all day. Not kidding.

The Egrip is just so convenient I find it in my pocket over every other setup in my humble arsenal.
 

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I know your response makes perfect sense cig. Then again, it begs the question…why did Kanger engineers see fit to deem them appropriate for production? Indeed, they [v3] now displace the presumptively adequate v2's in the lineup.

Pssst…which by the way are certainly not.

Sorry been watching too much British television. :D

(Note to self, avoid black-and-white films.)



Just sayin'.

:)

p.s. I am testing both stock open-slot d/c heads as well as SLV's version. I don't recall the exact specs. I know the pins are thicker. Don't recall the pins' air hole sizes. Currently 28 AWG winds are performing quite well as Nex-T singles. Precisely the problem. Too well. Particularly in the Mega. Constraining diameter would seem to be indicated but would also create more potential for standing leaks at the slots when hot. Conundrum. Cotton and rayon might fare better with this solution. Except for so many folks that can't rewick every other day or won't. And that unfortunately is too many of us.

p.s.s. Interesting discussion this evening at a B&M with a user who maintains the Atlantis doesn't leak from the air holes. Very interesting. I must me lucky. I can make anything leak.

Good luck!

Heck, I didn't know they had the Three Stooges and Road Runner in Britain!!

Just messin with ya friend!!:facepalm:
 

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Me too brook, bought a Lemo, Billow, Egrip and an IPV2 in the last few weeks. The subtank in RTA mode is on par with my Lemo w/single coils builds down to .8 ohms. Lemo does great with builds from .4 to 1.8 ohm builds due to the afc. Can't see why the subtank would be any diff. And seven mil capacity....it's big.....did I mention it's big......and oh yeah, before I forget....it's big! 25mm diameter makes it look a little awkward on smaller box mods and 22mm mechs.

Oh yeah, hi brook, it's been a while.

DISAGREE cig…it sits perfect on a H-ANA (sans beauty ring)…which makes it perfect for transitioning spinners. :D

And it feels half the size on something that fits it's diameter exactly but perfectly awkward on the elongated PV form factor.

Yeah, it's big. Downside, you better have a juice budget with those low-Ω coils. Can I say nic-dilution without pissin' off the resellers here? If you're lookin' at such a city-sized water tower you better know how campers. And you're gonna be chuckin' some vapor even with stock coils. Not all of it is sweatin' out the seals (feels like) or draining out the airhole (just pretend it's a dripper) when you hit it good and hard. Good thing is a slushy base well doesn't seem to compromise power delivery anywhere near the quicksand effect on previous bases (contact point elevated?). No doubt the broad flat 510 contact helps.

Note to the wise, I did manage to pull the pin right off, twice! Yep, trying to remove the OCC to dry out the well which turns out to be not too necessary as noted above. I delicately rearranged the leads and reinserted it without incident or resistance change. It will be interesting to dissect our magical mystery rubix cube.

Yet it's the most stable balance of tank pressure I've seen since the 3TS. A very uniform draw and flow right down to the air hole inlets* of the coil. But understand in the context of what I reported earlier…in unsupported mode, factory coil, no Felix's bag-of-trix the OCC performed uniformly for 4-days (better by x2 my previous Kanger coil experience). Only typical of Kanker factory coils. Another almost 4 days after a few serious infusions of purge VG which helped restore a significant amount of flavor return I would admit. Far more than expected from a coil that's already started to sublimate flavor. An assortment of other nudges have kept this first OCC going and I'm about to take it down. It's been enjoyable too except for the flavor bias I also earlier mentioned.

A damned good variable starter rig for possibly under a C$. As Busardo put it...oh man, this is what we should have had.

Those eager for a one-stop solution that will migrate them from stock coil to rebuilding would seem to have it here based on the designs feature set. Just remember it's a full-sized SUV for a gas tank.

And 4-6 good hard 1-2 sec consecutive cloud inducing tugs at a comfortable 19W should be enough for most of us, no? How long is your ecig break?

(Note: Invokes "too hot" temp mode on a H-ANA.)

BTW, no drip tip I tried seemed to contribute to improve the draw on this device. The tip seems perfectly matched to the chimney dimension and precisely. This is the first time I've had the impression that a tank, any tank, was perfectly engineered in a streamlined fashion, end-to-end. I do believe there is a lot of room here to expand on the performance of this platform. What's more I think Kanger knows it.

We shall see, won't we?

Good luck?

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