Protege making all other 3.7 devices obsolete?

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I know that is a rather emphatic statement, but I wonder how many people will think this after owning one?

Here's my take on it. This is my opinion only, but based on facts that I believe to be true. In making direct comparisons, here's what I come up with:

Compare the Protege to the following.........

Jantystick.

Once heralded as the "most bestest" (ok, I made that up) 3.7 device, the JS is great in concept due to the smallish size, built in USB passthru, and longer batt life than a standard e-cig. Those are the main reasons many of us bought one. Another reason for me was the color changing LED ring. I know it sounds hokey, but I like cool gadgets. Now, I say "great in concept" because in actuality, it falls short.

Its made of plastic. Meh... not exactly a quality feel IMO. It is inconsistent. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. One hit could be magical, then the next you barely get a wisp of vapor after sucking on hard enough to cave your head in. Getting the atty screwed in all the way is a PITA. Then there's the 801 atty thing again (I won't bore you). The flavor was 'decent' and the throat hit wasn't enough to make me want to grab it instead of a regular 510 e-cig honestly. The of course you have the switch issues...

If you vape it in front of anyone who doesn't know what it is... they think you're f'ing crazy. It looks like you're sucking on a toy spaceship.


VP1/VAPRE51

I should start by saying that the VAPRE51 I owned really was a terrific unit, not gripes about quality in any way shape or form... very well made. I do absolutely LOVE it. My issue was that I bought it for a portable, convenient, tiny PV to take out with me instead of lugging around a SB or Prodigy. Unfortunately the 801 strikes again... the damned atty is just about the same size as the PV so it DOUBLES the size overall! Plus (IMO) the 801 makes it very 'feminine' in look and feel. I bought mine expecting to use a 510 atty, but it didn't come with it due to unexpected issues with the adapters (due to be fixed next week I believe). I sold it yesterday because once the Protege arrived.... well, it rendered the 51 obsolete to me.

Original Silver Bullet (NOT the new v1.1)

I personally own the new v1.1 which is larger and vapes at 3.7/6v without extension tubes and am madly in love with it. I state this simply to avoid any possible confusion. The original was smaller, but still not nearly as tiny as the Protege, and much larger in diameter as well. Amazing craftsmanship, but IMO rendered obsolete by the tiny Protege that performs at the identical level.

GG

Ok GG lovers, save the hatemail, I'm not ragging on Imeos' gift to the world.

The only ones that can really apply here are the Nano and Slim (good luck trying to find EITHER by the way), the others are much larger.

Great quality, nice finish, but still much larger and I believe might be substantially heavier by the looks of them (I do not own one to know for certain). And the prices... yeesh, the prices have kept many interested parties away from experiencing a GG first-hand.

Since the Nano and Slim don't seem to be in production, they left us with the Grant (being re-released soon) and GGT as the options.. and again, far too large to be considered for the person who wants convenience and portability. The new end-all, be-all GG is being developed, but you'll need an engineering degree just to try and use it apparently. Then of course the cost... it is sure to be the most expensive PV ever made.

Then of course you have the appearance. While it is shiny and beautifully finished.. the steampunk - meets - art deco glossy tube kinda looks like a really expensive pot smoking device (mainly due to the placement of the large switch, it looks like a bowl from a distance).

Little Chuck

Can't hold a candle to the Protege. It is larger, a simple tube with endcaps (very basic in design), a cheap switch, and costs as much, or a few dollars more than the Protege. They seemed like the best option until the Protege came out due to their low cost as compared to other PV's at the time, their cool customized finishes tailored to the customer, and the industrial kind of look that does appeal to some. IMO the all-steel construction of the Protege coupled with its smaller size renders the LC pretty much obsolete.

Pull it out in a public place and you'll be looked upon like you have a pipe bomb in your hand. I would not suggest vaping this thing at any airport unless you want to be fondled by multiple TSA and federal agents.

Cameo (unreleased, in development by Janty)

I throw this in the ring merely for comedic value. Not that I necessarily need to make jokes, the Cameo is a joke by design really. Odd shape that SEEMS like it might be a little awkward to hold, and SEEMS like it might be a bit 'slippery' in the hand, and SEEMS to be utterly useless to pocket carry due to the 3 sided design (bulky) and buttons on the side.

*I added the caveat "seems" because it is simply a digital rendering to us now, in reality it may be slightly different when it releases

Then of course you have the veritable exclamation point of the Cameo... the built-in mp3 player. Yeah... the jokes just write themselves.

It could easily be assumed that the price will be far in excess of the Protege price. My guess is $140-$150, but I could be way off, no idea right now.

Zi Moshi Light Vapor

Hold up... stop the train... might we have a competitor?? I think we do.

Small size: check
Easy to carry around: check
Cool ... LED lightshow: check (and make that a +1 for the Zi Moshi over the Protege!)

When I heard about this mod I was all "Oooohhhhhh, that's cooool!" Then I went to their website to buy one. Bear in mind, this was the day I ordered my Prodigy AND Silver Bullet v1.1.... all excited I opened their web page up and then I saw the $135 price. I'll tell ya folks, I was less surprised back when I was 12 and my other testicle dropped. I just paid $140 for the amazing Prodigy, and $100 for the expertly crafted SB... how could anyone justify $135 for this mod??

Back to the plastic thing... irks me for that kinda coin.

Awkward way you are forced to hold it. I dig the button placement as a novelty, but for many, when they spend $135 on a PV it might be their only one for a while, and I prefer the ability to change my hand position on my other PVs and not be forced into only one. While I don't have an issue payng $135 for a PV, I cannot justify it when I look at what I have been able to buy for the same price and less.

Screwdriver

Bigger, bulkier, switch can easily be activated accidentally (ie: no pocket carry), far too expensive for what it is, and it looks like a .... wait for it.... screwdriver handle. Actually, I kinda dig the look just because its different, but when you compare the looks, size and functionality to the Protege... it falls flat.

How about vaping it in public? Sure... nothing like whipping out what appears to most rational people as a battery powered sex toy in front of someone's grandmother in a restaurant... the hilarity that is sure to ensue will give you stories to tell your children about later on in life. Or to your therapist.



Super T1

IMO this is the only real competition. Outstanding quality, excellent (actually brilliant) design and function, and seems to be exceedingly safe from an engineering standpoint. Price for some may be an obstacle. The only reason I never bought one... the exceedingly long order times. Not saying it isn't justified, it's one guy crafting them by hand, but I am far too impatient.




So there you have it. I'm sure I missed one or two devices, but they are sure to fall into one of the categories I already mentioned in some fashion.


In my own personal opinion (yours may certainly vary), nothing can really touch the Protege. It is the best of all worlds.

Tiny (5.25" WITH 510 atty and cart)
Exceedingly well manufactured and crafted from stainless steel
Excellent switch
Good battery life
Easily portable, can be pocket carried. Also hides in your closed fist (for stealth vapers)
Ships complete with everything you need, it's not "just" a battery tube
No gimmicks, no tacky decorations
Excellent price (lower than most)

Excellent vapor production
Excellent flavor production
Excellent throat hit
(last 3 are dependent upon your atty choice)


So I wonder... if after enough people own one, and enough of them spread the word... can the others even compete, or will they be forced to go back to the drawing board and follow the new leader?

Pray for me as I hit submit, that I do not encounter a server timeout that will completely erase that novel I posted above........
 
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The other devices will not be obsoleted by the Protege, even for those "in the know", due to 2 factors: size and price.

I haven't rec'd mine yet but tried a coworker's and it is marvelous, simply brilliant. I do, however, plan to hang onto my KR808D due to it's even easier portability - for errands, when doing yardwork or tinkering in the garage, etc.
 

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I HATE YOU BANDIT.. with all of your big words that form coherent sentences... I HATE YOU BANDIT forming a post of art..... I HATE YOU BANDIT... for your cool azz banners.... I HATE YOU BANDIT out of pure jealousy.....MR. ARTICULATE BITE ME.....and when I grow up.... I am going to be the COOL KID ON THE BLOCK .....

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The Protege is a nice device. Very nice looking.. If you can be satisified by 3 volt devices. I am not saying you cant be, but some of us can't.

Switch is still out on Protege as there han't been enough time to test it in the field.

The chuck has a great switch in it. Might be made of brass and copper but it won't dent either and is a great device all around.

Im sure all the Protege owners will love their device too.

I guess what I'm saying is it is still just a 3.7 battery holder. Albeit a pretty one and well designed from the look of them. And yes, maybe some of the others you mention need to go back to the drawing boards, and maybe some need to be made from metal and not plastic.

But as a testiment to JS, It is one of the most popular PV's out there as attested to by so many that dare anyone to say anything bad about it.. lol.. Even though the JS has had switch issues. YES, even v2. I have had 2 of them fail multiple times. Switch is no good on the thing. I dont even use the JS any longer.

So far my favorite is the Chuck and YES, the switch has never failed... Blows huge amounts of vapor using 3.7 or 6v and is very satisfying and very well made..
You're right, I wouldn't carry it into the airport. Lol.

ENJoy your Protege, It is a super looking device and hope over time the switch holds up!

But anyways, Enjoyed your analogy of the major players out there.
 

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I don't see much mention of cost. It should be factored in for every comparison.

Bingo! Very much agree here.

The JS was $80 with everything you need (since you can vape and charge via usb). That was a way cool price for what all you got - as mentioned above. Yes plastic, but I've not had any problems with that. The switch has been a PITA, wish they would seriously fix or re-engineer it and possibly put out a 14500 version.

The protege' was $90 and I will admit, that made my choice over the Super-T1 even though the T1 offered a path to 6 volt use - for now :)

Unfortunately, as Cash pointed out yesterday, that $90 price is fading fast and he will be forced to move above the $100 mark.

I still feel the Protege' will be above the rest of the 'batt' mod type products due to style and features that are designed in rather than added on - for the price.
 

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Excellent novel that made me crack up loudly when you mentioned your surprise at age 12... LMAO...

Excellent Banner by the way... I own the exact models you do with exception to the Screwdriver which I sold yesterday by the way. Never fell for the JS because I work with metal and couldn't see myself using that little Space Ship toy looking thing....And most of the others were IMHO overpriced and under designed with switches from Radio Shack. Pure Smoker blew me away with the custom made switches ( I know the actual switch is inside the housing but..) For every Prodigy owner reading this you NEED to try the 18650 battery and the switch without resistor, it's a dream come true. Battery that last more than a whole day and hits awesome..

Thanks for waking me up the right way Bandit with a smile...
 
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The other devices will not be obsoleted by the Protege, even for those "in the know", due to 2 factors: size and price.

I haven't rec'd mine yet but tried a coworker's and it is marvelous, simply brilliant. I do, however, plan to hang onto my KR808D due to it's even easier portability - for errands, when doing yardwork or tinkering in the garage, etc.


:confused: I am not comparing any e-cig at all here, only 3.7v PVs......


I HATE YOU BANDIT.. with all of your big words that form coherent sentences... I HATE YOU BANDIT forming a post of art..... I HATE YOU BANDIT... for your cool azz banners.... I HATE YOU BANDIT out of pure jealousy.....MR. ARTICULATE BITE ME.....and when I grow up.... I am going to be the COOL KID ON THE BLOCK .....

DUCK OUT

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I don't see much mention of cost. It should be factored in for every comparison.


Actually I did mention cost in many areas. I didn't use it on every example however because ALL of the devices listed above cost MORE with the exception of the JS which is only $10 less.


8002 miles!!!



:confused: I must be missing something here......



correct me if I'm wrong , but isn't the Zi Moshi a higher voltage device?


If so, then it should not be in this comparo. But like many vendor's websites dedicated to our hobby, they don't really explain what you're buying too well. No mention of what voltage it runs at, and only mentions that you get batteries... which batteries apparently is not important.
 

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Yea I was thinking the same thing that when Grimm did the review he didn't even know what voltage it was either. Not saying anything negative towards grimm cause I have mucho respect for the guy... Sure helped me out on many occasions. But it took a little investigation to figure out what the LV was. A 5v device. There is a resistor in the LED housing.
 

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PS makes a Solid Product and has a History of Amazing Customer Service BUT A battery case is a a battery case is a battery case...The only thing that really seperates them is LOOKS....If you like the look of the Protege buy the Protege...if you like the look of the Screwdriver buy the Screwdriver...if you like the look of the LightVapor thing, buy that...If you want to put your own design on a mod buy the Chuck....

There really is nothing more or nothing less then that...Buy what you think is Prettiest....
 
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Prettiest is fairly low on the scale of importance to me....tho I think the Protege looks sharp. Far more important is performance, reliabiity, durability and customer support. I think the Protege is going to excell in all of those areas.

Every Company(Maybe GG Excluded) Is on near equal footing when it comes to Performance, Reliablity and Durability when you are speaking of a specific Product like a 3.7v Battery Box Also if your Comparing the Majors, i.e. PS, Chuck, Etc. You will see they will end up equal or VERY close to equal when it comes to Customer Service also...There is only ONE major seller i've heard of with Massive or even average Customer Service problems..and i'm sure everyone at this point knows to avoid that company at all costs....

The mechanical and electrical Differences in these Battery Boxes are VERY Minor...and All Battery Box produces(Excluding One) Stand behind their product 100%...It all comes down to looks
 
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