I just said that proteus can accept 0,4 ohms xtreme. Maybe you missed my post.
Its not about resistance, is only about watts you put on it
Its not about resistance, is only about watts you put on it
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Also, something else. Efficiency on step down is much more bigger than efficiency of boosting. When boosting is at about 65-70% on high watts the step down is more than 90%. So step down extend battery life a lot
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Originally you stated that the specifications where the electronic module specifications and not necessary doable in Proteus. From your original post difficult to know what Proteus running on 14500 is actually capable of handling.
Mabyee slightly off topic but something I picked up in another post.. Is the original Penelope going to get an engraved special tank and mouthpiece to go with Proteus? If so can someone point me to the correct post please? thanks..
sure, thats why I followed your advice and I edited my post xtreme. I put aside proteus and its electronic part.
Totally agree! If you want to see the difference between an 18650 and a pair of 18350s stacked, get your hands on a Vamo. That device is soooooo much better with stacked 18350s.
As for the DNA30 chips, they don't have any buck circuitry, so there is no step-down in the voltage. Therefore, stacking batteries will get you 7.4 volts whether you want it or not, no matter what you were to set the watts at. I'm not sure which would fry first, your coil or the electronics.
As for stacking batteries, there is nothing inherently wrong with it. With remote control vehicles, we use multi-cell packs all the time, and those are made of Lithium Polymer cells, which are far less forgiving than the IMR batteries that ecigs use. We just have to use a special balancing charger to equalize the charge of each cell. See, if you have more than one cell, the volts are measured across both cells, so if your 2-cell pack is reading 6 volts, you might have a cell that is 3.2 while the other is 2.8. This can cause problems in charging, as one cell could get over-charged if it didn't discharge as much as the next cell. That's why we balance charge, to make sure a cell doesn't overcharge, then balloon, then vent into a fiery inferno. The great thing about ecigs is that our cells are separate, so they are always being charged individually.
That being said, over-discharging can cause serious problems with lithium cells, which could end up causing the fiery inferno mentioned above. Therefore, special care should be made when using with a mech mod, or just not used at all in those circumstances. When used with electronics with a voltage cutoff, you're safe, as long as you check the volts on your cells on occasion after discharge to see how low they are going before cutoff. And, its preferable to have "matched" cells so you know they are discharging at the same rate. Cell matching is something that is a bit of an art form, and to do it properly, requires a special charge with discharge function that charts statistics during the discharge. My charger actually hooks up to my computer to show the discharge curve. The alternative would be to go old school like I used to do and when you pull the batteries out after discharge, write down the voltage reading and internal resistance (which requires making a resistance coil for testing, as it must be done under load) in a logbook.
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I told you some days ago that I will give you special info about electronics and batteries. I told you enough I hope and other friends here did the same. Thank you guys for your input
Another thing that almost no one knows is that its always better to vape with batteries in series than in parallel. The reason is that if one of your batteries in series is not charged and the other one is charged, you understand immediately that something is going wrong because you cant vape the watts you always vape, or your electronic will inform you that your battery is not good or doesnt work well. In parallel you cant do that because voltage is always 3,7 even if one of your batteries is fully discharged, so electronics cant see any difference. That way, your mod becomes dangerous because the charged battery charges very quickly the discharged one with very unpleasant results sometimes
Another thing that almost no one knows is that its always better to vape with batteries in series than in parallel. The reason is that if one of your batteries in series is not charged and the other one is charged, you understand immediately that something is going wrong because you cant vape the watts you always vape, or your electronic will inform you that your battery is not good or doesnt work well. In parallel you cant do that because voltage is always 3,7 even if one of your batteries is fully discharged, so electronics cant see any difference. That way, your mod becomes dangerous because the charged battery charges very quickly the discharged one with very unpleasant results sometimes
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For me, vaping isn't a sport. Mods I use everyday aren't toys, but rather a critical part of my daily life like my laptop and mobile phone. I am expecting Proteus to be designed as such device. I really hope these request for extreme sub ohms (aka "sports") do not derail the design requirements for general usage. I recently pulled a few all-nighters working past week and was very glad that I had dependable Just GGs alongside me working as hard. Yes, some people over clock their CPU to go faster. Some people jailbreak their phone to tweak it. But we all have serious work to do and need dependable "tools" to get us through the hectic days without any problem. I, for one, would like the design to focus mainly on dependability and get most vape out of the device.
For me, vaping isn't a sport. Mods I use everyday aren't toys, but rather a critical part of my daily life like my laptop and mobile phone. I am expecting Proteus to be designed as such device. I really hope these request for extreme sub ohms (aka "sports") do not derail the design requirements for general usage. I recently pulled a few all-nighters working past week and was very glad that I had dependable Just GGs alongside me working as hard. Yes, some people over clock their CPU to go faster. Some people jailbreak their phone to tweak it. But we all have serious work to do and need dependable "tools" to get us through the hectic days without any problem. I, for one, would like the design to focus mainly on dependability and get most vape out of the device.
xtreme, friend, resistance has nothing to do with the amount of current drawn from the battery. Assume an efficiency of 80% the module will withdraw at 15 watts from the battery when at 4.2 Volts around 4.3 Amps and when the battery is at 3.2 Volts around 5.6 Amps. So I don't think that is awfully dangerous from the battery point of view, and second the module would detect a problem with the battery if it cannot withdraw that much.
Imeo, the dna does in fact handle 30 watts with no problems. I don't see the issue since at an 80% efficiency all you need is like 12 amps from a battery if the battery is at 3.2 Volts. Many batteries today can handle this amount and more. Now for stacking batteries yes it will be more efficient to have 2x18350 with a buck circuitry. However I don't think you should set the upper limit to 25 watts with 1 battery. If anything you should make it higher!
. Maybe one day I decide to build with the module a 26650 mod that is 5000 mah. Limit proteus but don't limit the module, we don't know what batteries will be in the market in 1 - 2 years from now.
Like all such things the DNA does have some limitations to reach 30 watts but it will do 30 watts from a single battery.
That being said I am very happy that Proteus electronics will handle stacked batteries. I am a big fan of the battery life you get by stacking batteries.
I never said that dna cant handle 30 watts aal. But batteries cant. 18650 batteries are weak. At least those batteries that I have for my experiments, that are AW and Efest. Maybe other batteries can do that but efficiency is very bad when you try to have 12 amperes from a single battery. The more the amperes, the less the efficiency.
As for Proteus electronic, I think that 25 watts are a good limit for a single battery and 35 watts for 2 batteries. Its the best combination for me and as zero said we must have a dependable machine that works well with existing batteries and has the right efficiency that makes user happy
As for Proteus electronic, I think that 25 watts are a good limit for a single battery and 35 watts for 2 batteries. Its the best combination for me and as zero said we must have a dependable machine that works well with existing batteries and has the right efficiency that makes user happy
Imeo, the dna does in fact handle 30 watts with no problems. I don't see the issue since at an 80% efficiency all you need is like 12 amps from a battery if the battery is at 3.2 Volts. Many batteries today can handle this amount and more. Now for stacking batteries yes it will be more efficient to have 2x18350 with a buck circuitry. However I don't think you should set the upper limit to 25 watts with 1 battery. If anything you should make it higher!
Imeo, you should really try with sony VTC4 or VTC5 batteries that a far superior to AW IMR.
As I said earlier, it would be a pitty to restrict the usage of the electronic by tests based on a battery that isn't the best any longer. It would prevent the electronic from being able to work with good batteries, and the even better batteries that will surely come in the future.
In my opinion, you should certify the electronic with AW IMR (I understand you can't test all batteries, and IMR AW has been the reference during years), but please, give us a chance to take advantage of better batteries at our own risk
As I said earlier, it would be a pitty to restrict the usage of the electronic by tests based on a battery that isn't the best any longer. It would prevent the electronic from being able to work with good batteries, and the even better batteries that will surely come in the future.
In my opinion, you should certify the electronic with AW IMR (I understand you can't test all batteries, and IMR AW has been the reference during years), but please, give us a chance to take advantage of better batteries at our own risk
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mon, are these batteries the best out there? Are there any better ones? I want to try them
But be sure that even if these batteries are good, there is no reason to put them on Proteus electronics because they will last less than proteus at 15 watts with a 14500 battery. They maybe can give the current but dont expect too much from them because pushing a battery to so much amperes will dramatically reduce its life and they will never last as much as 2x18350 batteries. Your best option at high watts are stuck batteries
But be sure that even if these batteries are good, there is no reason to put them on Proteus electronics because they will last less than proteus at 15 watts with a 14500 battery. They maybe can give the current but dont expect too much from them because pushing a battery to so much amperes will dramatically reduce its life and they will never last as much as 2x18350 batteries. Your best option at high watts are stuck batteries
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Just like you, I haven't tested all of them, but I have AW IMR, Sony VTC4 and Panasonic CGR18650CH. I can't use the AW at 30W on my DNA30 (with my typical 2 ohm coils), whereas the Sony and Panasonic works with no problem at all.
The vape time isn't that short, especially with higher resistance coils. And the VTC5 has now the same 30A performances and 2600 mAh charge!
You can have a look at this test: 18650 Battery Tests - YouTube
you can also look at all discharge curves on this website: AkkuDB
The vape time isn't that short, especially with higher resistance coils. And the VTC5 has now the same 30A performances and 2600 mAh charge!
You can have a look at this test: 18650 Battery Tests - YouTube
you can also look at all discharge curves on this website: AkkuDB
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