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[monkkx]

Not understanding please explain. If Proteus is a 14500 device what is all this about stacking 18350's or using Sony VTC4's, VTC5's which are 18650's

xtreme, I know you're confused from the beginning because we're having this discussion here on the proteus thread, but you probably know that the electronic will be shared and compatible with proteus, estirigon, and probably other mods such as JGG, GGTS etc ... Moreover, estirigon could have a 18650 extension. Therefore, for the electronic part, we need to consider 18650 batteries as well as stacking since it will be possible with other mods and configurations.

 

[xtreme101]

monkks~ TY

 

[evgeny131]

what is this nonsense about 12 amps being too much for 18650s?
sorry i had to chime in because i wont stand for dissemination of misinformation....
the new EFEST purple series are rated at 35A continuous.....
MANY other batteries are being used around 30amps between 0.1 and 0.2ohms in their RDA set ups...
Don't call me a liar and give me a fancy explanation...
and please- don't delete my post!
check your facts! that's what this community is about and should help each other!

 

[monkkx]

what is this nonsense about 12 amps being too much for 18650s?
sorry i had to chime in because i wont stand for dissemination of misinformation....
the new EFEST purple series are rated at 35A continuous.....
MANY other batteries are being used around 30amps between 0.1 and 0.2ohms in their RDA set ups...
Don't call me a liar and give me a fancy explanation...
and please- don't delete my post!
check your facts! that's what this community is about and should help each other!

I don't think anyone would blame you for sharing factual information As you can see, Imeo and many other people here are always willing to learn from others.
Peace

 

[imeothanasis]

thank you very much mon, I will check them out buddy

Just like you, I haven't tested all of them, but I have AW IMR, Sony VTC4 and Panasonic CGR18650CH. I can't use the AW at 30W on my DNA30 (with my typical 2 ohm coils), whereas the Sony and Panasonic works with no problem at all.
The vape time isn't that short, especially with higher resistance coils. And the VTC5 has now the same 30A performances and 2600 mAh charge!
You can have a look at this test: 18650 Battery Tests - YouTube
you can also look at all discharge curves on this website: AkkuDB

 

[monkkx]

thank you very much mon, I will check them out buddy

much welcome Imeo.
Again, I think it's wise for you to perform tests with the AW, and to certify usage of the electronic with this battery for the warranty. But you and your electronic engineer have worked hard to deliver a device that can do much more than what can be achieved with the AW, so I think you should only put limitation when it could damage the electronic or be really dangerous for the battery. Put all the legal warnings on the user guide etc so you're legally protected in case of bad usage ... but give a chance to advanced/adventurous/rich users to take full advantage of the device, at their own risk !!
18650 batteries cells are used in many industrial applications such as electrical bicycles, computers batteries, flash lights etc ... so there's a lot of research and development to improve them ... we never know how good they will be in the future !!
Sadly, 18350 and 18500 do not take advantage of these improvements, as far as I know AW IMR is still the best in smaller formats.

 

[soulseek]

what is this nonsense about 12 amps being too much for 18650s?
sorry i had to chime in because i wont stand for dissemination of misinformation....
the new EFEST purple series are rated at 35A continuous.....
MANY other batteries are being used around 30amps between 0.1 and 0.2ohms in their RDA set ups...
Don't call me a liar and give me a fancy explanation...
and please- don't delete my post!
check your facts! that's what this community is about and should help each other!

Sony has has a 30A 18650 for quite some time and there was one more but I just can't recall right now.

 

[ManniGfaltig]

To round this up - if you seek for 35W with a single batt then you better look for a batt with a continuous discharge value of about 15A - so the battery has more capacity.
Imeo - I can send you one of the Sony's if you want - I am sending a package to Vas tomorrow anyways... ;-)

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[evgeny131]

Sony has has a 30A 18650 for quite some time and there was one more but I just can't recall right now.

EFEST Purple series 18650 35A
EFEST Red 18650 30A
AW 1600mah 18650 24A
Sony VTC 3, 4, 5 c. 34A
LG 18650 20A?
MNKE 18650 20A?
Orbtronic 18650 22A

 

[Gunnerdart]

Sorry , when is preorder?


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[steliosss]

EFEST Purple series 18650 35A
EFEST Red 18650 30A
AW 1600mah 18650 24A
Sony VTC 3, 4, 5 c. 34A
LG 18650 20A?
MNKE 18650 20A?
Orbtronic 18650 22A

This is my tool that I'm using.......... Ohm's Law Calculator
Can you please make for me a setup in which you can use 30 Amps or more?

 

[monkkx]

This is my tool that I'm using.......... Ohm's Law Calculator
Can you please make for me a setup in which you can use 30 Amps or more?

do not understimate sub-ohm vapers on mecanical mods some are happy to vape at 100+ watts ... but it's not the point.
The point is that good batteries are now better than the respectable but outperformed AW IMR, so Imeo can consider the cutoff settings accordingly.
It's not a "must have", but more a matter of "could have, so want it"

 

[evgeny131]

This is my tool that I'm using.......... Ohm's Law Calculator
Can you please make for me a setup in which you can use 30 Amps or more?

I dont want to start any arguments- i have a tobh currently dual-coiled using 22awg Nuke wire by Hotwires- 4 wraps/coil - 0.10 ohms (42amps) and it runs fantastic on my Hades using 50amp sonys or even on the 35amp efests, doesnt even get hot....

i also use a Nucleus Quad Coil Set-Up using 26awg Beastmode wire by Hotwires - 6 wraps/coil - 0.14ohms - something like 30amps...
no problem on any mod using Sony VTC4 or EFEST 35A

running 40 amps is no problem anymore....these are safe and stable set ups that are fun and experimental in nature- just showing the possibilities of new generation batteries...

 

[steliosss]

do not understimate sub-ohm vapers on mecanical mods some are happy to vape at 100+ watts ... but it's not the point.
The point is that good batteries are now better than the respectable but outperformed AW IMR, so Imeo can consider the cutoff settings accordingly.
It's not a "must have", but more a matter of "could have, so want it"

The point is that every battery manufacturer can put any number of watts and nonone inspect him.
Anyway... if someone wants to vape in 100 watts... Proteus is not his mod.

Sorry.. no more offtopic from me

 

[evgeny131]

The point is that every manufacturer can put any number of watts and nonone inspect him.
Anyway... if someone wants to vape in 100 watts... Proteus is not his mod.

Sorry.. no more offtopic from me

point well made.....the only reason i started this was because I have an issue with being untruthful in the larger vaping community....this affects us all....and information should be shared and kept honest- thus we keep our dignity and reputation!

 

[steliosss]

In how many Volts you vape so you have 42 Amps buddy?

Edit: Οκ let's talk by pm.. sorry

Edit2 : (using the same post) 176 WATTS???????????????????

 

[soulseek]

I dont want to start any arguments- i have a tobh currently dual-coiled using 22awg Nuke wire by Hotwires- 4 wraps/coil - 0.10 ohms (42amps) and it runs fantastic on my Hades using 50amp sonys or even on the 35amp efests, doesnt even get hot....

So at 42 amps, with a quick estimate that means you're vaping no more than 3-4 mins (cumulatively) right?

{More like 1-2 since you're not draining the battery}

 

[imeothanasis]

great, do it immediately Manni!!!!

To round this up - if you seek for 35W with a single batt then you better look for a batt with a continuous discharge value of about 15A - so the battery has more capacity.
Imeo - I can send you one of the Sony's if you want - I am sending a package to Vas tomorrow anyways... ;-)

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[ManniGfaltig]

There are some points to be taken into account when vaping. For instance the Sony VT4 drop below 3V very quick under high load (they are specified until 2.5V) but also they recover very quick when released from load. But for that reason you cannot say that you have 42A with a fresh battery showing 4.2V without load and a 0.1Ohm coil. In reality you will end somewhere around 30A current, which is still pretty much but about 1/3 less than expected.
There are also inaccuracies in the measuring process, be it related to electronics or related to "length of coil and multiply with nominal resistance of wire".

For that reason that guy from akkudb.de "developed" another method to measure batteries - instead of constant discharge he does short pulses in order to simulate vaping. You can check this article in his blog, its in german but the graphics speak for themselves I guess: Neue Akku Kurven und der Voltdrop » Mountain Prophet

 

[evgeny131]

So at 42 amps, with a quick estimate that means you're vaping no more than 3-4 mins (cumulatively) right?

{More like 1-2 since you're not draining the battery}

i dont understand...
as the pics above illustrate- i can vape at around 40 amps (22awg 4 wrap dual coil- 0.10ohms) including voltage drop= lets say 34 amps....
and i chain vape for a solid hour on a good 18650 (sony, efest 35A) or much longer using 26650 Sony's or MNKE's even better... i am finished with this conversation......