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[Troll from behind]

So are you Imeo saying, that with Proteus (or VIR in general) I don't have to play with TCR-values or temperature curves, but I can just insert an atomizer and let the VIR do its thing?
For me that's a HUGE benefit, absolutely HATE to tweak with tc-settings when all I want is to vape!

 

[monkkx]

So are you Imeo saying, that with Proteus (or VIR in general) I don't have to play with TCR-values or temperature curves, but I can just insert an atomizer and let the VIR do its thing?
For me that's a HUGE benefit, absolutely HATE to tweak with tc-settings when all I want is to vape!

That's what the claim is. However, it is restricted to titanium wires only due to the chip memory limitation.

 

[imeothanasis]

If atomizer is hot then it takes more than 1 min but atomizers dont get cool after 1 or 2 minutes Seek. They need at least 10 mins to cool down to environment temperature. So purpose is archived, not defeated.

No chipset can really measure the ambient temp, because even if they are large, they get really hot. But why dont you try what I suggested? Vape hard and then wait 3 mins and put your hot atomizer on your mod. It will not work correctly.

The concern of all companies right now is to make a chip that will work with atomizers at any temperature but still none has managed to do it. They all think ways to do it by making their own atomizers. I did it on the other hand 4 years ago.

I never said that other mods are not good Seek. I only say that they are not really advanced to the level that a vaper needs. Thats the main purpose of vaping. Even if a mod has large screen, clock, games etc but it doesnt have advanced vaping capabilities or cant vape exactly as it has to vape under any circumstances, then its purpose is not archived.

No one accuse you that you cant wait for an advanced product like Proteus. Its more than ok with me.

You know already that VIR can be put inside Esterigon very easy by making a new tube for Esterigon. Your irony about 1 year delay has no meaning if you agree. The delay was about VIR, not about the metal parts for it. Also the delay of a product has something to do with the rest of our discussion that is VIR's capabilities? It seems that you attack me at all levels lol

14500 is not as weak as you think. At 230 celsius degrees you can vape for a long time. But changing battery was never the issue. The issue was always is the right vaping.

You said that you use thick wires today. And you need more current than what VIR can give. And you use smaller resistances than 0,4 ohm. And mod is not so good that only supports Titanium. Ok, is there any other serious wire for temp control? A healthy one? A biocompatible one? I mean that options that others give you are useless when you can vape the best with VIR. Why do I have to vape on other wires?

Now, about resistance, power, watts etc. You may vape at 100 watts with a thick wire. Why do you think that you will produce more smoke than me that vapes at 20 watts with a 0,3 wire? Do this please for me: Put a 1mm wire at 50 watts and tell me about your smoke. Is it small or not? I am sure that a lot of people havent understand how wattage works together with the thickness of a wire, including you as I see it.

As for your PS: GG atomizers work well on serious constructions, suitable to vaping. What I mean? I mean that you try to have a steady resistance using Ni wire. Who told you that this is the right way to vape? Maybe DNA? If you want to talk with me about this, I am available at any time.

ps..... Who told you that Proteus is for people that use 1mm wire or 100 watts? Why do you try to compare Proteus with boxes? Not a really good comparison as I see it.

Mods are made for a purpose. Proteus is made because many people like a thin, small, elegant e-cig with decent vaping time, advanced capabilities like wireless style and serious temp control under any circumstances. If someone wants to vape at 100 watts, then he can buy a box mod with 2 batteries. No problem.

 

[imeothanasis]

So are you Imeo saying, that with Proteus (or VIR in general) I don't have to play with TCR-values or temperature curves, but I can just insert an atomizer and let the VIR do its thing?
For me that's a HUGE benefit, absolutely HATE to tweak with tc-settings when all I want is to vape!

Exactly as you said Troll. VIR is intelligent enough to do everything alone without any input from you. Thats why I call it not just high end but very high end device. And that was my purpose with springomizer too. We want to vape, not making resistances or tweaking devices! lol

 

[imeothanasis]

That's what the claim is. However, it is restricted to titanium wires only due to the chip memory limitation.

thats true Monk, thank you. Also we are so beyond the rest of the industry that we made a special software that recognize the type of wire! But chip limitations didnt allow me to put it on VIR. And the worse thing is that I only needed 1mm more on pcb for all the features I wanted to add! But I kept the serious ones, the ones that are needed for a safe and without hassle vaping

 

[monkkx]

Gents, no need to fight here. VIR has been delayed for a long time, that's a fact many people that were interested years ago might not any longer be interested, that's a fact too. Nothing wrong with that.
There's room and demand for different chips, the more the merrier
Yes proteus is a little bit old-fashioned compared to recent chips features, but for me the excitement is not on the technical features list, but on the different approach to temperature control. Future tests will tell if it's successfully done or not.
Now a humble advice to Imeo: do not rest on your laurels we need VIR for estirigon ASAP, we need VIR in a GG box pretty soon, and hopefully a new thread to speak about VIR v2 wish list

 

[monkkx]

thats true Monk, thank you. Also we are so beyond the rest of the industry that we made a special software that recognize the type of wire! But chip limitations didnt allow me to put it on VIR. And the worse thing is that I only needed 1mm more on pcb for all the features I wanted to add! But I kept the serious ones, the ones that are needed for a safe and without hassle vaping

So VIR V2 will be a mm larger, or using a rom a mm smaller

 

[imeothanasis]

Gents, no need to fight here. VIR has been delayed for a long time, that's a fact many people that were interested years ago might not any longer be interested, that's a fact too. Nothing wrong with that.
There's room and demand for different chips, the more the merrier
Yes proteus is a little bit old-fashioned compared to recent chips features, but for me the excitement is not on the technical features list, but on the different approach to temperature control. Future tests will tell if it's successfully done or not.
Now a humble advice to Imeo: do not rest on your laurels we need VIR for estirigon ASAP, we need VIR in a GG box pretty soon, and hopefully a new thread to speak about VIR v2 wish list

Ι know Monk! But I know something else too. That you need more from me, not only what you think you want. I always like to surprise you!!

Old fashion is something that has less than existing on the market features. A chip with new features and absolutely important on vaping is called revolution I suppose! axaxaxaxa

Rest is not a word in my vocabulary Monk!

 

[imeothanasis]

So VIR V2 will be a mm larger, or using a rom a mm smaller

sure Monk. But there are more important things for me right now. Are you wondering what is more important than a bigger VIR? You will see later!!

 

[soulseek]

thats true Monk, thank you. Also we are so beyond the rest of the industry that we made a special software that recognize the type of wire! But chip limitations didnt allow me to put it on VIR. And the worse thing is that I only needed 1mm more on pcb for all the features I wanted to add! But I kept the serious ones, the ones that are needed for a safe and without hassle vaping

I'm pretty sure there are some cheap Chinese mods out there that recognise wire type, automatically. I would have looked it up but I don't care enough.

 

[imeothanasis]

And because Proteus is electronic but its pcb works like a SIM wireless card and it also has mechanical button, I will call it electromechanical. The new age of electronic e-cigs. Thats the name I gave to Proteus 4 years ago if you remember.

New age is here guys!!!!!!!!

 

[imeothanasis]

I'm pretty sure there are some cheap Chinese mods out there that recognise wire type, automatically. I would have looked it up but I don't care enough.

There is no such a thing Seek on any mod around. I am also sure that your mod cant do it too. Its not something important to my opinion but I had done it when no one else did. We are always in front of our ages Seek. You had to know that a long time ago.

 

[soulseek]

If atomizer is hot then it takes more than 1 min but atomizers dont get cool after 1 or 2 minutes Seek. They need at least 10 mins to cool down to environment temperature. So purpose is archived, not defeated.

No, an atomiser doesn’t take 10mins to cool down, I’ve tried this numerous times on my DNA200. And even if it is 5C hotter initially, it later on recalibrate itself to the correct base resistance using the refinement that the chip has. This is one reason that my Tilemahos wasn’t working correctly. The base resistance was changing all the time because the pin was adjustable and the o-ring inside the Tilemahos were not making a good connection.

No chipset can really measure the ambient temp, because even if they are large, they get really hot. But why dont you try what I suggested? Vape hard and then wait 3 mins and put your hot atomizer on your mod. It will not work correctly.

I live in Sweden and in the winter I was moving from 25C room temperature outside to -5C and the mod was working fine with the ambient temperature sensor, I can even check the outside temperature on the screen to check that it’s working fine.
I can vape “hard” for 3 minutes on my atomiser and reconnect it to my mod. There are 2 possibilities there. Either I have the resistance locked and it will continue to work as before, vaping normally. Else, it will ask me if I’ve connected a new atomiser or and the old one and ask me to confirm one of the resistances. If, I want to connect this warm atomiser to a new mod, as I said previously, all I need to do is wait 1min for it to cool down, which is just as long as it takes for Proteus.

The concern of all companies right now is to make a chip that will work with atomizers at any temperature but still none has managed to do it. They all think ways to do it by making their own atomizers. I did it on the other hand 4 years ago.

You may have accomplished something in your “lab” 4 years ago but you’re only releasing for us to use in a few days, which is all that matters in the end.

I never said that other mods are not good Seek. I only say that they are not really advanced to the level that a vaper needs. Thats the main purpose of vaping. Even if a mod has large screen, clock, games etc but it doesnt have advanced vaping capabilities or cant vape exactly as it has to vape under any circumstances, then its purpose is not archived.

No one accuse you that you cant wait for an advanced product like Proteus. Its more than ok with me.

I totally agree here, which is why I was very enthusiastic about the prospect of Proteus when we began discussing about a release more than 2 years ago. Let me remind you that this thread was opened on April 1st 2014!!!

You know already that VIR can be put inside Esterigon very easy by making a new tube for Esterigon. Your irony about 1 year delay has no meaning if you agree. The delay was about VIR, not about the metal parts for it. Also the delay of a product has something to do with the rest of our discussion that is VIR's capabilities? It seems that you attack me at all levels lol

I’m not being ironic, I speak with facts. I’ve kept 8 AW 14500 batteries at 60% charging level, in the fridge for almost 2 years. Can you give as a realistic approximation of when I will be able to fit a VIR chip on my Esterigon? I'm not attacking you on all levels, I've just kept my mouth shut for a long time

14500 is not as weak as you think. At 230 celsius degrees you can vape for a long time. But changing battery was never the issue. The issue was always is the right vaping.

A 14500 cell is pretty weak for the thicker wires that we use nowadays but I guess we’ll see from experience. I don’t carrying 2 batteries with me to change, especially when they are that small.

You said that you use thick wires today. And you need more current than what VIR can give. And you use smaller resistances than 0,4 ohm. And mod is not so good that only supports Titanium. Ok, is there any other serious wire for temp control? A healthy one? A biocompatible one? I mean that options that others give you are useless when you can vape the best with VIR. Why do I have to vape on other wires?

I’m not talking about other wires; I’ve been vaping Titanium on TC since day 1 and have only briefly tried SS, which was another type of wire that was going to be supported by VIR. As for using thicker wires, many claim it’s for better flavour but it’s mostly because they are much much easier to build with. The SS wires you’re selling for springomizer aren’t thin 0.25mm wires, are they?

Now, about resistance, power, watts etc. You may vape at 100 watts with a thick wire. Why do you think that you will produce more smoke than me that vapes at 20 watts with a 0,3 wire? Do this please for me: Put a 1mm wire at 50 watts and tell me about your smoke. Is it small or not? I am sure that a lot of people havent understand how wattage works together with the thickness of a wire, including you as I see it.

I never complained about power, my DNA200 is set to 50W max even when I’m using claptons. I usually have it at 35W max. I complained about the min resistance, which is 0.4Ω, which is too high in my opinion for Ti Gr1.

As for your PS: GG atomizers work well on serious constructions, suitable to vaping. What I mean? I mean that you try to have a steady resistance using Ni wire. Who told you that this is the right way to vape? Maybe DNA? If you want to talk with me about this, I am available at any time.

I’m sorry but Tilemahos doesn’t work reliably on serious constructions that have adjustable pins. You yourself have admitted to the problem and you told me that you’ve made some changes to X1 to accommodate for this. I would have given it a try but it took to long to be released, and again it would still be a 90EUR gamble.

ps..... Who told you that Proteus is for people that use 1mm wire or 100 watts? Why do you try to compare Proteus with boxes? Not a really good comparison as I see it.

I never said that Proteus was for these kind of people. You could go back to this 90 page thread and you can probably watch me make these exact same points as you are right now, on numerous occasions. Where I disagree is the exaggerated statements of Proteus being much more advanced than anything out there. This would have been the case, not 2 years ago but even 1 year ago. However, this is not the case anymore as the market has matured.

 

[soulseek]

There is no such a thing Seek on any mod around. I am also sure that your mod cant do it too. Its not something important to my opinion but I had done it when no one else did. We are always in front of our ages Seek. You had to know that a long time ago.

A quick search tells me that the Aspire Pegasus TC mod distinguishes between Ni and Ti on it's own, however I'm certain I've seen it elsewhere, since I've never watched a review of the Aspire Pegasus.

 

[imeothanasis]

atomizer needs a lot of time to cool down Seek. You are wrong here. And it needs time because of the liquid inside it. If it was a dripper then yes it would cool much quicker. And the difference is not 5 degrees as you say, its more than 30 degrees.

Calibrating itself? When? After you vape wrong for 1 hour or more? lol. Are we talking for serious technology or we try to make excuses because a mod doesnt work well from the beginning? As for its calibration, when it happens? When its hot? when its cold? when you are out of house? When you are inside house? Why do a vaper has to worry about silly details when the most possible is that he will never vape right calibration after calibration in always different environments?

If you use nickel you will never have any calibration. People that introduced nickel and introduced the calibration show to me how little knowledge they have about temp control. Sorry but its like that.

You live in Sweden, ok. Your post you show me that you havent understand how temp control works. Ok, let me tell you: If you calibrate inside home that we hope that you have 20 Celsius degrees (you never have it but you are close) and you go out then you will vape ok. Same if you calibrate outside home and then you go home. But if you calibrate out of house, your resistance is -5. So what is the real resistance and what is the resistance that your mod sees? -15 celsius. So you dont vape right. Same on a hot environment.

Now, on the same matter, if

lets say that your mod is checking the outside temperature. What does this has to do with vaping? Let me tell you another example and you will see how wrong is the "calibrating itself" issue: You put a cold atomizer when you are home at 20 Celsius. Then you go outside at -5. If mod calibrates itself then when it will check the temp it will see a -5 celsius. It will take a resistance value at -5 degrees, thinking that its 20 celsius. But even if it has a sensor, what if electronic is hot? It will measure its own temp rather than the environment. So in what temperature it will take a new resistance value? Only God knows.

Seek, I know how your mod works. It needs your input to tell it that its cold. Thats where Proteus technology comes to rescue. It doesnt need anything from you. And I am telling you again that an atomizer doesnt cool down in 1 minute as you think or you want to think. If you want to check it, please put a hot atomizer and check its resistance how it changes while cooling. It will take more that 8 mins for the resistance to be stable.

When you say that you use thick wires, you didnt tell me why you use thick wires. Any reason? Only because you have a device that goes at big watts you have to use thick wires? Just for fun? What is the purpose?

Yes, ss wires are not 0,25 they are 0,35 and they dont require more than 20 watts. So how thick wires you use with your device and why you need more watts?

Any reason that 0,4 resistance is high? You mean that you vape lower? I wish you luck by doing this

I never admitted any problem with Tilemahos Seek. These are your words. I only made a new base just for even better conductivity. Its like when we make new mods with less contacts for better conductivity. The better the conductivity, the better the results. I never admit that Tilemahos has bad conductivity. These are only your words once again.

Proteus is really much more advanced Seek but you dont see it. It carries technology that others cant reach yet. The only solution they may find is making their own atomizers or atomizers with standard resistance to archive the same result all the time. So, if you want to talk about technology, I will tell you these:

1. Who can make a so small electronic? Thats huge technology but you cant see it.
2. Who doesnt need calibration every now and then? That technology
3. Who can vape on a hot atomizer? Thats a very huge technology
4. Who made a wireless electronic?

If technology for you is a screen with mostly useless info like how much current goes through atomizer, at what voltage, etc, then I agree that I am behind! lol

Its not important Seek that others finally after 4 years found what I had found before 4 years about recognizing wires. Its not important as I told you before. But I still found it first and thats something you had to appreciate. But you dont. You also dont appreciate the fact that I worked hard to bring you the best before 4 years and ALL these years that GG line invented nearly everything and e-cig market. Its ok my friend. Anyway, the important thing here is that Proteus carries VIR that has real technology on it. Please check carefully 1-4 above and you will understand several things, like why no one has made a so small construction for example. Think deeper and you will understand that no one really cares for the perfection. They just make something easy for the masses. Also these constructions are not good from the beginning but after 10 updates lol. Maybe they work with your money that you paid waiting for the better? And then waiting again? Maybe you vape hmmm...desent enough after you paid enough money and waiting too when with me you were only waiting? lol

You kept your mouth shut for a long time as you said and I suppose that you had to keep doing this. But you didnt. But if you want to complain to someone, do it to your modder that introduced all the wrong out there. Sorry, I wouldnt say that but you forced me.

 

[soulseek]

Nope it doesn’t take a lot of time I just checked it last night with my Theorem RTA and the difference is certainly not 30C. If you keep on insisting we can have a bet and I’ll make a video about it.



Refinement on DNA devices I believe kicks in when the mod is idle it happens all the time and happens works really well for me. I don’t have to worry about any silly details. But yes your idea is the right one about calibrating in any environment, only you’ve yet to ship a device and it will only work on Ti Gr1. Proteus will not support SS, which you’re currently selling or Zirconium in the future.



I don’t use Nickel, maybe you should read my post again. I said I’ve use Ti since the beginning and only tried SS for a while.



I know very well how TC works, I have a Physics degree. Stop being offensive or I’ll direct it back at you. I never said I would calibrate my device in -5. We were talking about the usefulness and effectiveness of the ambient temperature sensor, which you questioned if it was functional. I simply confirmed that it works flawlessly even in extreme weather conditions, hence not that useless.



I haven’t put a new atomiser on my DNA200 in -5C but I’ll put it in the fridge and give it a try. You keep on going back to the electronic being hot but I’ve told you that you can monitor this temperature on the display, as I do and it’s always correct. I’ve been using this mod for months now and it’s working as intended, it must be doing something right.



Nope it doesn’t take 8 mins, maybe the problem is your atomiser.



I think you’re having trouble understanding me, I said in my previous post I don’t need more power. I run single coils.



Yes I run a 9-10 wrap coil of Titanium Grade 1 0.5mm thick wire, at around 0.3Ω. Good luck to you too.



Yes maybe you never admitted a problem, however many others have, including a few that messaged me privately on the matter because they didn’t want to put in the thread, since they didn’t expect you to be helpful.



All great points, I’m repeating myself, I was promoting these features 2 years ago.

As for the hot atomiser. Most mods do it with resistance lock. Your’s isn’t any special. And if you want to calibrate it when it is hot, then you have to wait more as you admitted yourself.

 

[soulseek]

This isn't some personal vendetta. You seem to be ignoring some of my valid points and not answering them, which reminds me a lot of all the trolls that I was trying to defend you against at the beginning of this thread.

I think it's also very insulting that I've spent so much of my time defending the Proteus and your only line of defense is the same comments that directed at those same people 2 years ago.

I don't get where you're getting that we're not recognising your work. But you can't come out and claim that everything else people are selling are inferior to yours when that is just not the case. You're at least 2 years late with a product to market and instead of being humble and respectful you're the opposite and it's very unattractive.

 

[soulseek]

Also, in typical fashion you skipped what you can't answer. Funny you calling me out on being ironic.

Could we get an answer of when we will be able to fit VIR inside Esterigon?

 

[imeothanasis]

Seek, you have a degree in physics but you still cant understand how important is the right initial value of a resistance on temp control and how wrong is to calibrate this value. So I will not argue with you. Keep your mod if you think its the same as VIR and we will both go on. No insults, just vape on.

Thank you for your input by the way on temp control issue.

 

[soulseek]

Where did you ever see me claim that my other mods are the same as VIR?

You seem to be unwilling to answer my questions or have a dialogue. I would expect a bit more gratitude to someone who has been a GG fan and someone who has sent you hundreds and hundreds of Euros, your way, through buying your products.

PS: anyone interested in buying some used GG gear, sent me a PM.