ProVarinati Diner & Saloon and Beyond

Bronze

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 19, 2012
40,240
187,925
I love my Google home. But my wife unplugs it every night when I go to bed. So, every morning I am talking to myself.

The more things change the more they stay the same..[emoji848]

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk
Has she thought about unplugging you?
 
  • Like
Reactions: AstroTurf

CMD-Ky

Highly Esteemed Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Sep 15, 2013
5,321
42,395
KY
Flip phone the only thing smart about it is me, the user. No "smart" anything in the house. Tape over the camera on the computer, cotton over the microphone. Block all cookies from Facebook, Google to the extent possible and Twitter.

Agreed. It's bad enough having these full time tracking & listening devices in our pockets. I've actually named my "FBI Guy". He's a 12 year-old boy (I based that on my maturity level) named, "Bobby."

Every once in while, I'll look at my phone and say, "That's right, Bobby. I said it. Deal with it."

You might think I'm kidding. I am not.

NO Alexa, NO "smart home", NO vacuum with a GPS mapping device, etc.. The phone and tablet are enough. "They" already know my every move.

Life. It's full of choices.
 

Hobbs

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 17, 2016
952
16,410
UP in the Diner ~~~
* ALOHA *
Hawaiian Pulled Pork Fried Rice with Peas, Carrots, Green Onions and Jasmine Rice ... This meal delights with tender fall-apart pulled pork and veggies with sweet, soy, and spicy flavors. Bon Appetit :)

64623105_858084124547508_8129247384694685696_n.jpg
 

Katdarling

I'm still here on ECF... sort of. ;)
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 25, 2011
32,581
167,734
Utopia

coldgin96

Resting In Peace
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 22, 2012
3,202
19,383
North of Detroit, way south of Heaven
I'm hungry. I'm gonna go take a inhale off my inhaler, take a shower, warm up some left over grilled meat and some pizza, give some to Steel when he's good and totally ignores the smell of warmed up steak and chicken :rolleyes: watch something on Netflix and YouTube and play some video games. Ciao!
 

Hobbs

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 17, 2016
952
16,410
In vape mail today, I received the six Molicel 18650's I'd ordered from Liion Wholesale. Shipping method dependent (method I'd have chosen anyway) included a free gift of Liion Wholesale's choice. So they tossed in this 3 speed personal fan. Has a little LED flashlight down on the side. You can see the bulb in the pic, bottom right. Don't know what I'll ever use it for and won't be seen in public with it, but it was free. Has USB for onboard recharge and uses an 18650 battery (not included). Radius for size comparison. Limited to speed 1 if USB plugged in and recharging. Kinda like vape through I guess. It's loud but kind of a white noise loud.

64408319_858119671210620_2129832870011731968_n.jpg
 

Hobbs

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 17, 2016
952
16,410
@ENAUD ... I received the Zanflare C4 battery charger yesterday or maybe a couple of days ago. I don't know enough about chargers to know if I can recommend this charger or not. I will say that I'd buy it again if I had a do over.

I've never owned Nitecore. I can only compare to my Xtar VC2 Plus. I think the Zanflare charges more thoroughly. Certainly more intelligently. Both the Xtar and Zanflare max charge @ 1A but I think the Xtar might charge slightly faster ... I attribute that to the thoroughness factor. Heck, I think I might even see a little longer battery use and life from Zanflare charged batteries but that is just a gut feeling and nothing scientific.

The battery testing features of the Zanflare are a nice to have. I don't know the chemistry and parameters of various batteries. The good thing is I have multiples of the same batteries, so I can compare them to each other.

What I have found so far with the batteries I have: I have 3 different brands of 18350 batteries ... Vapecell, Xtar and AW. The Vapecell's and Xtar's tested fine and in advertised spec. In sets of each, the internal resistance was about the same, though different between brands. Had a problem with the AW's (my least used 18350's). The AW's are said to be 800mAh 18350's. That was a lie. They tested on the Zanflare to be between 650 and 700mAh. I always felt they didn't last as long as the Xtar or Vapecell 18350's and I clearly see why now.

I tested 6 Sony VTC6 18650's and found the advertised mAh's were correct, but one of the six had WAY WAY higher internal Resistance than the other five. What that means in the real world of vaping, I'm not sure ... maybe warmer battery when vaping(?) ... but anyway, it showed remarkable inconsistency and possible defect.

Speaking of the battery tests, the Zanflare has 2 methods to chose from, Fast Test and Normal Test. The normal test took over 12 hours to run on 4 at a time, Sony 18650's. The normal test fully charges the battery (for testing, it's limited to half an amp charging), then fully discharges and then fully charges again. All the while monitoring mAh's and internal resistance. Only half an amp charge and discharge on 18650's are part of why it took so long. Smaller batteries take a long time in normal test mode too, but not as long as 18650's.

Fast Test on 18350's and 18490/500's took between 3-3 1/2 hours.

The only way to get the most accurate reading of mAh's and internal resistance is to run either the fast or normal test. Simple charging won't reveal the truest measure but will certainly give an idea IF further testing is needed on a particular battery.

The Zanflare has 4 bays. The slides and springs are stronger than on my Xtar and the polarity mating surfaces are textured and hold batteries in the place much better than the Xtar. Overall, the Zanflare is more robust than the Xtar and as noted, has features the Xtar doesn't. Each bay on the Zanflare can be used individually with a different size battery in each bay, and charge or test independently of the other bays. So you could be charging a battery or two while testing a battery or two. Kind of like having 4 chargers LOL ... but all in one. Current isn't shared between the bays either. Could be charging batteries in all 4 bays @ 1A each.

Bottom line as I stated at the top, if I had a do over, I'd get the Zanflare again. If I were a professional or even someone with good battery science, chemistry and characteristic knowledge, I might chose something else. Dunno, but I'm happy with the Zanflare and the Xtar VC2 Plus waits in a box in the closet until needed again.
 

Hobbs

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 17, 2016
952
16,410
So I have a Sonos entertainment system (on WiFi) that plays internet radio all day long in the background. I have Alexa to control the Sonos system and set timers when I'm cooking. Besides Alexa, I can also control Sonos from my computer, iPad, or Amazon Fire Tablet, I could live without Alexa I guess.
... I also have over 7000 songs (7,244 I think) from CD and download stored digitally on a shared network drive that I can stream on Sonos and control from Alexa or computer or tablet. Or smart phone if I had one. It's NICE to just stand in the middle of a room and speak out loud ... hey, Alexa play such and such or so and so in a particular room or rooms or the entire house and BOOM ... Alexa makes it so.
 

Hobbs

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 17, 2016
952
16,410
@ENAUD ... oh, and I read somewhere on here (i think), that Battery Mooch was going to start testing battery chargers once he gets the equipment and such together. I don't know when that might happen though. Will be interesting how he rates the Zanflare and other chargers.
 

ENAUD

Resting In Peace
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 23, 2013
9,810
64,089
Bordertown of ProVariland and REOville
@ENAUD ... oh, and I read somewhere on here (i think), that Battery Mooch was going to start testing battery chargers once he gets the equipment and such together. I don't know when that might happen though. Will be interesting how he rates the Zanflare and other chargers.
Thanks for the thoughts shared on this charger, sounds like it will be right up my alley :)
 

Hobbs

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 17, 2016
952
16,410
Thanks for the thoughts shared on this charger, sounds like it will be right up my alley :)
And that's about all I can say about it E. There really is nothing outstanding about this charger that makes me say, "Man HOT DANG you gotta get this thing". But it does give more insight into battery health than a simple charger. Thing is though, if you've been vaping a while, you kinda know anyway if a battery is "all that" or not.

Now when the (smart) charger comes out with a beeping message and ALERT !!! that says, "Dude you need to toss this battery and get a new one" ... THEN I'll say, "Man HOT DANG you gotta get this thing".
 

ENAUD

Resting In Peace
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jul 23, 2013
9,810
64,089
Bordertown of ProVariland and REOville
And that's about all I can say about it E. There really is nothing outstanding about this charger that makes me say, "Man HOT DANG you gotta get this thing". But it does give more insight into battery health than a simple charger. Thing is though, if you've been vaping a while, you kinda know anyway if a battery is "all that" or not.

Now when the (smart) charger comes out with a beeping message and ALERT !!! that says, "Dude you need to toss this battery and get a new one" ... THEN I'll say, "Man HOT DANG you gotta get this thing".
I have some chargers from back in my RC days that I can use to analyse my cells, but they run on 12V and I have some hacked computer power modules to drive them, but they need a sled which I do have few soldered up with leads...thing is, it is very time intensive to run them tests, and one cell at a time is all they can handle.

Most of my current cells are over two years in rotation currently, and soon I plan on retiring most of them and busting out my stockpile of AW's and others that I had put away...would be helpful to be able to run a diagnostic discharge charge cycle on them and see how they fared the storage...
 

Hobbs

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 17, 2016
952
16,410
I think I figured out that when simply charging, the mAh capacity is not inaccurate on the ZanFlare, it just tells how many mAh's (how much current) it took to top the battery off. For example, a 3000mAh battery that is 50% depleted will show 1500mAh when the battery is simply charged on the Zanflare. That's what it took to top the battery off.

Now, when running a battery test on the Zanflare, it does it like this: Fast Test ... discharge > charge (monitor) and the Normal Test is Charge > Discharge > Charge (monitor). SOooo with fully discharging and charging, the Zanflare can more accurately calculate the full mAh capacity and internal resistance.

Speaking of internal resistance. What I've found with 18650's on the Zanflare is that simple charging will show a value of 10-20 for internal resistance, whereas running either the fast or normal test will show a value of 50-100 for internal resistance. Not sure how all that correlates, just an indication that for the most accurate measurement of a particular battery's characteristics, the fast or normal test has to be run. But when simply charging, a deviation in values you are accustomed to seeing across the life of a battery might indicate further testing required to accurately determine health.
 
Last edited:

Users who are viewing this thread