PTB Plug Full 510 Cart

[jlcanary]

Thank you. She is much prettier than I however. She also has awesome hair.
Great song too.

Jamie

 

[belthize]

I've been planning on buying a 510 and using PTB filler but normal vendor is out of stock so still waiting on a 510. Being impatient I decided to try this on my 306. I've only ever dripped on that thing, my attempts at making a filter were all pretty leaky abysmal failures.

The 306 filter is just a 1.25" long tube with a pin hole in the bottom and the atomizer sits about 1/2 way down in the tube. There's not much to stop leakage. After watching your video I decided to give it another try.

I started with a whole pyramid piece opened up and folded in half so it was roughly square. I held the entire 306 up to the light so I could gauge where the atomizer shoulder stopped half way in the filter. I wanted to get to the shoulder so the bridge would sit down in the PTB. I folded from one edge until I had the right 'height' and then 'rolled' along the other dimension till I had a tube that was a single thickness of PTB at one end and much thicker (from first folds) at the other. I made a single cut at the bottom of the single layer and put it in the filter with the single layer end toward the pin hole and thick layer end toward the atomizer.

I put in about 10 drops and it worked like a charm. No leaks. I started getting greedy and kept putting drops in (15 or 16 total) at which point it did leak a bit but not too bad. Sadly 5 hits later the battery died (only one for that unit) so done for a bit.

Short version, this mod more or less works for a 306 as well. I do have a few questions.

1) I'm using PG based liquids, the flue cured is a bit thinner than the havana and seems to leak more. Are you typically using PG based or is there a thicker variant that works better.

2) Having never seen a 510, is the filter structure fundamentally different from the 306 (ie not a simple tube) so that it's less prone to leakage through the tip or is it about the same and I just need to be more careful in making the PTB filter and subsequent filling to avoid it.

3) Do flat or round tips work better on the 510 for leakage (I really hate tasting raw juice) or does it matter.

Many thanks for the write up and videos. I'll enjoy my 306 a bit more till the 510 gets here.

 

[Streetvapor]

Rhoneil,

I started vaping 4 days ago with a 510 and i was always topping off my carts.I stumbled onto this mod by chance and first off THANK YOU second off I'm no DIY kinda guy more like Tim Allen LOL but this was very easy to follow,I did it step by step with your video and WOW I just started hitting the cart mod as I type and so far so good. Luckily I am a PTB drinker and had a box laying around. Now just a dumb question,I also have a pcc and was wondering if(I did test for leaks and nothing)being inverted will it flood out the atty?

Once Again Thanks

Street

 

[markarich159]

I Vape with a 510 Prodigy V1 and a Puresmoker USBPass510. I've tried every different variation on these PTB mods but have been unsuccesful. I've now thrown away like 13 pyramid tea bags. The problem I'm running into is, at least on my Puresmoker devices, and I've heard many other 510 Prodigy/510 PS USBPass owners, is that the atty does not screw all the way down into the brass "battery" adapter(there's about a 1-2 mm space). This does not in any way affect the performance of the Prodigy/USBPass, but what it does do is create an opening that is making any attempt at this PTB fail for me. What invariably happens is the eliquid almost immediately drains out the atomizer , through the 1-2mm space and into the well on the adapter. It seems the PTB material does not have enough adherence/surface tension with the eliquid to hold it in the cart in this particular Prodigy configuration. This really sucks, bcuz the prodigy/USBPass sucks thru eliquid very quickly and it would be nice to have this PTB mod work(since it appears to greatly increase the amount of liquid the cart can feed the atty). Any suggestions.

 

[rhoneil]

1) I'm using PG based liquids, the flue cured is a bit thinner than the havana and seems to leak more. Are you typically using PG based or is there a thicker variant that works better.

2) Having never seen a 510, is the filter structure fundamentally different from the 306 (ie not a simple tube) so that it's less prone to leakage through the tip or is it about the same and I just need to be more careful in making the PTB filter and subsequent filling to avoid it.

3) Do flat or round tips work better on the 510 for leakage (I really hate tasting raw juice) or does it matter.

Many thanks for the write up and videos. I'll enjoy my 306 a bit more till the 510 gets here.

1) I get all my juice form NHaler.com, I really dont know if its PG or VG. I do use a lot of coffee flavors which seem to be a darker liquid for the most part but Im not sure if its a 'thinner' or 'thicker' juice. That said, I never really had a leaking or flooding problem.

2) I do not have a 306 but I have had a blu. Im not sure they are the similar but what I do know is that the mouth pieces are very different. The blu has a 'cup' that the juice is in that sits inside the mouth piece. The only thing that prevents juice from going in your mouth is the 'washer' with a tiny hole at the end. The 510 round mouthpiece/ cart is 'one piece' in that there is no cup that is dropped into the mouthpiece. What I have found out about the cart is that it has 2 washers. The vapor comes into the mouth piece in 2 slits on either side of where the juice is held. The vapor would then enter a small chamber the has a washer on the end (round piece with a pin hole in the middle.) This is not the end of the cart. There is another chamber the vapor would go in before hitting another washer at the end of the mouthpiece.
So your question, does this prevent leaks through the mouth piece? I think so. The only times that I have had juice come through the mouth piece hole is where there was way too much juice in the cart and the atty.

3) I have used both flat tips and round tips with this mod. Not much difference in leaking. I have not cut a flat tip open but I would assume that it is very similar in construction.

Hope this helps.

rho

 

[rhoneil]

Rhoneil,

I started vaping 4 days ago with a 510 and i was always topping off my carts.I stumbled onto this mod by chance and first off THANK YOU second off I'm no DIY kinda guy more like Tim Allen LOL but this was very easy to follow,I did it step by step with your video and WOW I just started hitting the cart mod as I type and so far so good. Luckily I am a PTB drinker and had a box laying around. Now just a dumb question,I also have a pcc and was wondering if(I did test for leaks and nothing)being inverted will it flood out the atty?

Once Again Thanks

Street

Honestly the only time I have a problems with leaking or flooding/ gurgling is when I add a full cart (19-20 drops) with a full atty (not blown out). Other than that I really dont see any more leaking that I have had with any other mod, including prefilled carts. From what I have been reading it seems that leaking and flooding with this mod (or any other PTB mod Im guessing) is the type of liquid. Im not sure if its between pg or vg but something makes one liquid thinner than others.

hope this helps

rho

 

[rhoneil]

I Vape with a 510 Prodigy V1 and a Puresmoker USBPass510. I've tried every different variation on these PTB mods but have been unsuccesful. I've now thrown away like 13 pyramid tea bags. The problem I'm running into is, at least on my Puresmoker devices, and I've heard many other 510 Prodigy/510 PS USBPass owners, is that the atty does not screw all the way down into the brass "battery" adapter(there's about a 1-2 mm space). This does not in any way affect the performance of the Prodigy/USBPass, but what it does do is create an opening that is making any attempt at this PTB fail for me. What invariably happens is the eliquid almost immediately drains out the atomizer , through the 1-2mm space and into the well on the adapter. It seems the PTB material does not have enough adherence/surface tension with the eliquid to hold it in the cart in this particular Prodigy configuration. This really sucks, bcuz the prodigy/USBPass sucks thru eliquid very quickly and it would be nice to have this PTB mod work(since it appears to greatly increase the amount of liquid the cart can feed the atty). Any suggestions.

For the most part when someone says they are having leaking issues, especially with different models I would suggest more PTB material. That is how we actually came up with the double fold. But I have heard that there are some times that a whole PTB still does not help. What I have been thinking lately is using some kind of sponge to kinda plug the middle hole of the FRF mod. Basically I would roll it with the tube of an ink pen leaving a bog hole in the middle then take some kind of foam/ sponge to place in the middle of the hole that would sit on top. Again, I dont have a leaking cart at the moment and I dont have any other batteries other than a 510. I wish I could test this for you. But the sponge piece that I am suggesting would be very small. It would not go all the way to the bottom of the cart. It would also not cover the top of the cart. just big enough to plug the hold in the top of the FRF mod.

I did see another thread that instead of using a roll used a fan fold. They dont fray either. I have not tried it yet but would be interested in seeing if it would help with the leaking issue.

Let me know if this helps.

rho

 

[rhoneil]

Tip:

What I have been doing lately, since I know that the best way to use this mod is when it is new or clean, is the following:
1- Fill one modded cart with juice for use.
2- Keep 2-3 other clean/ new mods on stand by. Easy to do with a 510 PCC
3- Use the first one till empty or after a couple of top offs or one full refill
4- After a couple of top offs or one full refill swap out with a clean/ new mod and fill with juice for immediate use.
5- When needed clean or replace the used mods, blow out the mouth piece and blow out the atty if you are storing the ready cart attached to it.

This is what is working for me right now. I guess what I am trying to do is keep the wicking through the material at an optimal level. I have heard people do something similar with other mods or even the polyfill. My guess is that after time crystalization or carmelization may occur preventing the best possible vaping experience. (cant have that)

Please let me know what works best for you.

rho

 

[heather]

OK, didn't catch this until that 2 min roll video that you were only using half the tea bag. Could you do a video where you show start to finish with the tea bag? And slowly? Let me see you empty it out, and fold it, and cut it, because I am still a bit confused. Now i see why the only one I've made seemed really really thick and tight. Thanks,

 

[rhoneil]

OK, didn't catch this until that 2 min roll video that you were only using half the tea bag. Could you do a video where you show start to finish with the tea bag? And slowly? Let me see you empty it out, and fold it, and cut it, because I am still a bit confused. Now i see why the only one I've made seemed really really thick and tight. Thanks,

hope this helps

Start to finish Rho Mod


rho

 

[heather]

Thank you, i got it now. Just want to add that this mod is wonderful. So far no leaks, and I can't believe how long I've gone without topping off! I keep checking it, and it's still really wet at the top. This stuff is way better than the polyfill. I haven't had any "hairs' get stuck in my atty either.

 

[rhoneil]

Thats great that is working for you. Please let me know if any issues come up and remember to clean the ptb once in a while to optimize wicking.

rho

 

[Jbugz]

I've just made myself about 10 of these. I read this thread about 2-3 weeks ago....*man that took some time*...made two and tried it for a while. LOVED IT!! I used to feel like the cart was going dry after only about a cigs worth of vaping and I would have to top off, but it would only take about 2-3 drops. Now I don't have to refill nearly as often and it takes 13-15 drops at a time. The fill also lasts so much longer before needing cleaning. I won't ever go back to polyfil.

 

[roadkilldeluxe]

I just made my first PTB cart. I put in 20 drops and there was still room for more (510). I blew through the atty to dry it out and added 1 drop to the bridge before attaching the cart.

When I tried to puff, not much came out. I took the atty out and blew through it--quite a bit of juice was in there. Does that mean it was flooded? I attached the cart again without a primer drop and it started making pretty good vapor.

 

[DC2]

When I tried to puff, not much came out. I took the atty out and blew through it--quite a bit of juice was in there. Does that mean it was flooded?

Yes, you just described "flooded" perfectly.

 

[bizzyb0t]

First 'tea bag' idea:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/11394-replacing-cartridge-wool-3.html#post178183

First 'nylon' tea bag idea:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/uk-e-smokers/27642-nylon-teabags-uk.html

First Pyramid mention (same thread):

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/uk-e-smokers/27642-nylon-teabags-uk.html#post430073

Nah, it was me who thought of the PTB mod first.

SubitonPete came up with the tea bag idea as a cart filler in general, and I came up with the idea to use those Lipton Pyramid Tea Bags specifically...

So thank you

This idea has taken off , so thanks to moobyghost, rho and others who have done videos of it!

I first mentioned it back in May...

My first mention on the boards...

and here...

Here's where I mention the brand.

Heh, I'm the evil genius

It should be called the bizzyb0t mod

 

[rhoneil]

Nah, it was me who thought of the PTB mod first.

SubitonPete came up with the tea bag idea as a cart filler in general, and I came up with the idea to use those Lipton Pyramid Tea Bags specifically...

So thank you

This idea has taken off , so thanks to moobyghost, rho and others who have done videos of it!

I first mentioned it back in May...

My first mention on the boards...

and here...

Here's where I mention the brand.

Heh, I'm the evil genius

It should be called the bizzyb0t mod

Thank you for bringing the material to the board. I have been testing other material ever since I started but there is nothing like having a PTB mod somewhere close that I can rely on when something else does not work for me. I still have about 50 pre-filled carts that will end up being squeezed of its juice.

Thanks again and thanks for the forum for everyones great ideas and even the bad ones. The only failure is not trying.

rho

 

[xogul]

@ rhoneil
were did you get that keychain dropper/bottle we see in the video?

going to try this one on my 901. the 'arched' atomizer and the narrow bottom of the cartridge are driving me nuts. nothing seems to work.

 

[Stehle]

Nah, it was me who thought of the PTB mod first.

SubitonPete came up with the tea bag idea as a cart filler in general, and I came up with the idea to use those Lipton Pyramid Tea Bags specifically...

So thank you

You both were paid homage with this post in this thread.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartridge-mods/34401-ptb-plug-full-510-cart-4.html#post537656

bizzyb0t: After 2 months or better of the smoothest vaping I had ever experienced... I not only want to thank you for playing a part in saving my life, (from analogs), but if you ever visit Florida I'lll buy you a juicy steak dinner!

 

[Fly Vapor]

KeyChain Dropper Bottle!!!!!
Givit Up!!!!
I want One 2!
Q-Tip Perfect
Teabag Lipton will try.