PTB Plug Full 510 Cart

[BanjoMan]

Rhoneil,

I've been using the Rho mod to pretty good effect with my 901, but using 1/2 of a PTB still feels a little "loose". Have you tried 3/4 of a bag in any of your experiments? Just wondering....

 

[cesande]

Rho,
I registered here purely to thank you and the others here for the help I have received.
I have been the route of NJoy NPro.. 901... pen and now have the 510.
I loved the 510 due to the manual battery (no cut off blinkin lights).
I was lovin it until carts started getting old.
Every vape had a bad burned taste and smell.
I thought the atty's were going bad (in 1 week) and was very frustrated.
I was about to give up on vaping and found this thread.

I have now been using the PTB double fold frayed end and must say it has brought me back to the whole vaping experience full force.

I absolutely love the 510 again with this mod and will NOT be using any other cart. Can't wait to get some new atty's and see how well things go with NEVER using a poly cart in them!

That does bring up a non thread related Q...

Are there any atty's that are better than most? Is there a concencus on the forum on the best vape, most reliable atty??

Thanks again

 

[rhoneil]

Rhoneil,

I've been using the Rho Mod to pretty good effect with my 901, but using 1/2 of a PTB still feels a little "loose". Have you tried 3/4 of a bag in any of your experiments? Just wondering....

Yes, I have. I actually just got back from the Home Depot because I had to replace the kitchen sink that I tried in my 510 flat tip. Seriously, I have tried 1/3 PTB with blu carts and up to a full PTB for 510. What I have to remember, using more than a half PTB is that the more folds you use the more juice will be stuck there. I have used PTB plugs in the past that had many folds so that it would basically plug the cart. It did but I found that it would not give up all the juice. It gave up what the folds could hold. With the rolled up fold even though there is a double fold it seems to me to be distributed enough to not hold a lot of juice. Does it give up everything? no, but, I feel, that is why it does not flood my atty or leak as much as other things I have tried. The folds on the top of this mod is essentially a type of plug, a loose one.

Now, if you feel you want more material on the top of the cart the first thing I would suggest is the zig zag variation before using more material. This is where you would make your first fold to slightly taller than the cart then instead of folding under the second fold you fold over, creating a zig zag. Then roll it with the folds on the outside. This will create mores space between the rings and the outside ring will have a fold that has material touching the inside of the cart. It is not as easy as the original but may make a difference. If you are not satisfied with that I would go ahead and try more material and an extra fold or two.

I do not have any other carts than the 510 round and flat tips. If I did I would try other things with them to see how they fit. Is the 901 deeper than the 510? wider? I dont know.

For me I am cleaning out some of my experimental plug and 1/2+ PTB mods. I am still using the DFLRF mod. I have one that has the zig zag and I dont think that one leaked at all. Keep in mind the one constant I had before is no longer constant. I just got a bunch of sample juice form NHaler.com so their consistency may differ from juice to juice.

let me know how it goes.

rho

 

[rhoneil]

Rho,
I registered here purely to thank you and the others here for the help I have received.
I have been the route of NJoy NPro.. 901... pen and now have the 510.
I loved the 510 due to the manual battery (no cut off blinkin lights).
I was lovin it until carts started getting old.
Every vape had a bad burned taste and smell.
I thought the atty's were going bad (in 1 week) and was very frustrated.
I was about to give up on vaping and found this thread.

I have now been using the PTB double fold frayed end and must say it has brought me back to the whole vaping experience full force.

I absolutely love the 510 again with this mod and will NOT be using any other cart. Can't wait to get some new atty's and see how well things go with NEVER using a poly cart in them!

That does bring up a non thread related Q...

Are there any atty's that are better than most? Is there a concencus on the forum on the best vape, most reliable atty??

Thanks again

thanks for the kind words, I KNOW. I started getting frustrated too! Im glad things are working out for you now.

First thing, I would suggest cleaning the attys you have. It has worked great for me. Even just blowing them out once in a while makes a big difference. As far as types of attys, I really dont know. I heard that there was a new 510 atty but I would have to do more research. Maybe someone else would be kind enough to chime in.

Vape On!!! thanks again and good luck.

Let me know what you find, I may be in the market too after all these experiments.

rho

 

[BanjoMan]

Rhoneil,

Don't know if you saw it but trashling over in the GG forums claims to be using Shamwow material with good success. I might try it with the thinner towels I have in the kitchen but I want to research the ingredients more first:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/28709-found-new-cart-filler.html

Sounds a little goofy but hey, tea bags probably sounded strange at first too.

 

[rhoneil]

Rhoneil,

Don't know if you saw it but trashling over in the GG forums claims to be using Shamwow material with good success. I might try it with the thinner towels I have in the kitchen but I want to research the ingredients more first:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/28709-found-new-cart-filler.html

Sounds a little goofy but hey, tea bags probably sounded strange at first too.

I have heard of using sham wow and other sponges. I guess my concern would not only be the materials but also how much of the liquid is left in the material and where. The original issues I had with the poly fill is the fact that you get halfway through the juice and cant get the rest. It was at the bottom of the cart. I tried a lot of material that held the material well but not very many that was able to do the 2 things I like about the FRF mod. 1- give up the liquid easily and 2- have some kind of 'directional' wicking. I have some sham wow at home and if you think its worth a try let me know. I have wasted SO much ejuice with material that I does not give it back without squeezing it. Im up for anything though. But right now the only thing I use my Sham Wow for is to hide my grandmothers sweaters. "She'll never find it."

rho

 

[cesande]

Rho,
I believe I have the cart setup right and may have an atomizer issue, but wanted to ask you.
With the double roll............ setup I sometimes experience leaking.
Do you have any 510s that leak with this setup?
It leaks through the atty and out the air holes.
This will definitely be an issue with pocket carry! LoL

Thoughts?

Thanks again

 

[rhoneil]

Rho,
I believe I have the cart setup right and may have an atomizer issue, but wanted to ask you.
With the double roll............ setup I sometimes experience leaking.
Do you have any 510s that leak with this setup?
It leaks through the atty and out the air holes.
This will definitely be an issue with pocket carry! LoL

Thoughts?

Thanks again

The times that I see leaking is when the atty has been sitting for a while either on its side (not all the time) or when it is separated from the battery in my PCC. When it leaks in the PCC it is no more than any other filling including the prefilled carts. I keep mine in my pocket too. Most of the time its in a case I made from a sanitizer spray bottle. But the only time i saw a drop in there at all was when I really over filled the cart and did not blow out my atomizer before putting it on.

I would suggest rolling it with the fold on the outside as I suggested to someone else, possibly with the zig zag variation, and see if that makes a difference. Some people have reported leaking in 'thinner' juice. Another thing I would try is to vary the height of the material. Try one that sticks out slightly over the cart top and if that leaks cut the bottom so it is slightly shorter and see if its the same. From what you are telling me it is leaking out of the atty so maybe it is just getting too much juice.

Is this a new mod that is leaking or is it one that you have been using a few days? I hear that wicking speeds vary from new to used. Maybe it would be better to put less juice when its new?

Leave it to me to follow a questions with 20 more.


let me know if you have any other questions.

rho

 

[cesande]

"Most of the time its in a case I made from a sanitizer spray bottle."
Do tell...... Details please... LoL

I would suggest rolling it with the fold on the outside as I suggested to someone else, possibly with the zig zag variation, and see if that makes a difference.
... same.... details please... sorry if it is already here...

Also... I am suspecting my attys as at dry burn one of them barely gets red hot.

I have 5 new attys on order from innovapor and hope they help.

I also ordered some Ecopure from them to see if it is a juice issue.

The juice I am using came from digitalsmokeshop dot com and it is PV so I want to try the VG.

BTW.. the mod is 2 days old so has been filled probably 4 times using a towel to remove any excess each time....

LoL... I answer you with more Q's.... Great minds...

Thanks again
-cesande

 

[rhoneil]

"Most of the time its in a case I made from a sanitizer spray bottle."
Do tell...... Details please... LoL

I would suggest rolling it with the fold on the outside as I suggested to someone else, possibly with the zig zag variation, and see if that makes a difference.
... same.... details please... sorry if it is already here...

Also... I am suspecting my attys as at dry burn one of them barely gets red hot.

I have 5 new attys on order from innovapor and hope they help.

I also ordered some Ecopure from them to see if it is a juice issue.

The juice I am using came from digitalsmokeshop dot com and it is PV so I want to try the VG.

BTW.. the mod is 2 days old so has been filled probably 4 times using a towel to remove any excess each time....

LoL... I answer you with more Q's.... Great minds...

Thanks again
-cesande

case:
- http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/27782-perfect-fit-510-case-about-1-50-a-6.html#post537501
- http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/27782-perfect-fit-510-case-about-1-50-a-6.html#post545012

zig zag:
- YouTube - FRF PTB Mod 510 vZigZag

Ecopure:
- I have not tried any liquid from there but I think I remember seeing certain juices leaking more than others and even flooding or ruining attys. Again Im not too experienced in different types of juices and their suppliers. ??

I have a 510 that leaked today. Its the most I have had one leak in a long while. The funny thing is that I did not have any thing in the cart. I took everything out (long story including purchases from the pet shop) and I added 3 drops directly into the atty. It happens. If you are using this mod and getting that much leaking I would suggest, if you are rolling it tight, make it looser, if you are rolling it really loose make it tighter. There should not be a gaping hole in the middle and, on the other extent, it should not look like a solid stick. If you feel that it is still leaking that much and putting less juice is not working, this might not be the right material for you. The only other way PTB would work, I feel in this situation, would be a PTB plug.

For me, I have not had a major leaking issue, more than any other filling especially while filling a cart. I guess the only other thing I would suggest would be to make sure you blow out the atty (into a paper towel) if you want to use a full (18-20 drops) 510 cart.

Lots of info, hope this helps.

rho

 

[cesande]

SERIOUSLY... you ARE the 510 MAN!
I now have a custom carry case for the 510!.
I do still believe that the cart mod is fine, but more of a overfill / filling the top of the cart / weak atty culprit on the slight leakage. That being said I will keep the link for the Zig Zag mod...

All the info you have makes me wan to ask more questions!!! LoL

Let's see if I can think of any...

1.) assuming that you get 15 (ish) drops in the cart and install a dry PTB mod... how many puffs do you get on average before having to 'reload'? It seems that I am not getting more than about 20-25 and I am wondering if that is also a weak atty issue.

2.) have you considered a PCC mod to remove the 2 holes on the opposite end of the battery side to accommodate a small juice bottle? Maybe in the 3 to 5ML range...

3.) all I have are flare tip carts... any benefit you find with the round ones? I have plenty of flare tip and not sure if I would see any need for buing round ones.

4.) would love your thoughts on atty cleaning other than blowing out. I have read a lot here and have tried several methods including water... water+lemmon juice... Diet Coke (I don't drink the real stuff)... Everclear.... they all seem to clean, but don't bring back the vapor level....

I am real happy with the 510, I am just not seeing the 'plumes' of vapor that many show in the videos... Even if I don't I will be ok cause the analogs are gone and that is the whole point... just wondering if I can make a good thing even better.. (aren't we all)...

Again... serious thanks for all the info and help.

 

[rhoneil]

SERIOUSLY... you ARE the 510 MAN!
I now have a custom carry case for the 510!.
I do still believe that the cart mod is fine, but more of a overfill / filling the top of the cart / weak atty culprit on the slight leakage. That being said I will keep the link for the Zig Zag mod...

All the info you have makes me wan to ask more questions!!! LoL

Let's see if I can think of any...

1.) assuming that you get 15 (ish) drops in the cart and install a dry PTB mod... how many puffs do you get on average before having to 'reload'? It seems that I am not getting more than about 20-25 and I am wondering if that is also a weak atty issue.

2.) have you considered a PCC mod to remove the 2 holes on the opposite end of the battery side to accommodate a small juice bottle? Maybe in the 3 to 5ML range...

3.) all I have are flare tip carts... any benefit you find with the round ones? I have plenty of flare tip and not sure if I would see any need for buing round ones.

4.) would love your thoughts on atty cleaning other than blowing out. I have read a lot here and have tried several methods including water... water+lemmon juice... Diet Coke (I don't drink the real stuff)... Everclear.... they all seem to clean, but don't bring back the vapor level....

I am real happy with the 510, I am just not seeing the 'plumes' of vapor that many show in the videos... Even if I don't I will be ok cause the analogs are gone and that is the whole point... just wondering if I can make a good thing even better.. (aren't we all)...

Again... serious thanks for all the info and help.

First of all thanks but I am not THE 510 man. Just a man who got a lot of information from ECF and am willing to share my experiences here. Example: it was not my idea for the case, I just showed how I did mine and posted it. Same with the PTB mods.

Anyway. Im glad you have a case. For me its a lot easer to carry in my jeans and easy to take out of my pocket while driving. One thing on the PTB, you DO need to clean them once in a while. I am going to try to only have two or three carts that have this mod in it. I think that they will tend to dry if you leave liquid in there for a couple of days. You will still be able to see some juice but the PTB tends to not wick as easily the more you use them without cleaning. Once you clean it, it is as good as new.

1) I really have not counted how many drags I get from a cart but I assume, based on the enhanced vapor, taste and throat hit, we are using more of the juice at one time that was allowed with normal polyfill. But, since the experience to me is similar to direct dripping, I would think that you could equate the amount of drags you can get is the same as if you dripped almost the amount of drops you put in the cart. (Dont try to drip more than 2-3 drops into the atty at one time) I say 'almost' due to the fact that there usually a couple of drops left in the folds. But it does not look like you are getting that with 15 drops to 20-25 pulls. Some have said that hey get as many as 60 if I recall correctly. Maybe its the atty? I dont know. Fortunately I dont think I have experienced a 'weak atty.'

2) I have considered a PCC mod. I have seen someone do it and it looks great. I dont have to tools or the nerve. I actually have an idea that would be the best for me but I dont know who will be able to make it.

3) I like the flat tips. I switched to them once I realized I had them. Pull is good and I like the fact that I can set the orientation of the button based on the cart tip. I dont think there would be an advantage to buying round ones if you like the flat ones.

4) I have yet to do, what I call, a 'real atty clean' where you would boil, or dunk in vinigar, soda or whatever. I think I saw someone that microwaved it. All I do is put it in some hot water, from my water cooler (ironic), I use an old orange medicine pill bottle so I can close the top and shake it up. then blow it out again and let it sit to dry. Sometimes I get a little eager and try to dry with a paper towel and get back on it. But I have enough of them now that I can rotate. The only other thing I do is when I get a bad burnt taste, after sitting or leaning on the 510 button for an unknown amount of time, I would do what is described here... [[http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/33815-how-i-got-rid-my-burnt-atomizer-taste.html]]

As far as vapor production, I found that if you take really light mouth drags you can take in more vapor. I dont pull really hard, I hardly even hear the whistle of my inhale. I actually take a mouth drag while still breathing through my nose so I can take a bigger hit. When I started using ecigs I pulled really hard to get more vapor but that does not work to well. Let the atty do what its made to do especially when you have a manual battery.

Vape on!

rho

 

[jlcanary]

OK so I tried this on my 901 today. I got about 18-20 drops in my original fill up and 8-10 in my top offs. I puffed on this thing until it seemed to be dry (vapor production dropped dramatically) then I pulled it up to check it. There was still quite a bit of juice left in the cart, more than one or two drops, but I could not for the life of me get it to vape out. Anyway, so I topped off and I have been using it almost constantly for about 20 minutes. With any other mod that I have tried I was topping off every couple of puffs then pulling the filler and adjusting it. It was a pain. This mod seems to be working really well for me. I don't mind having some juice left in the cart as I have gotten used to this. I have had one problem though. I don't know if it is the ptb or what, but I am getting a funky taste with it. It isn't horrible and I can deal with it. I am just wondering where it is coming from.

 

[rhoneil]

OK so I tried this on my 901 today. I got about 18-20 drops in my original fill up and 8-10 in my top offs. I puffed on this thing until it seemed to be dry (vapor production dropped dramatically) then I pulled it up to check it. There was still quite a bit of juice left in the cart, more than one or two drops, but I could not for the life of me get it to vape out. Anyway, so I topped off and I have been using it almost constantly for about 20 minutes. With any other mod that I have tried I was topping off every couple of puffs then pulling the filler and adjusting it. It was a pain. This mod seems to be working really well for me. I don't mind having some juice left in the cart as I have gotten used to this. I have had one problem though. I don't know if it is the ptb or what, but I am getting a funky taste with it. It isn't horrible and I can deal with it. I am just wondering where it is coming from.

Funky taste? not sure. What I have found is that some flavors definitely tasted different after using this mod. 555 was pretty harsh for me until I started using this. Now there is a different taste that I dont remember was there before. I can recognize it now and I like it. BUT if you think its a burnt taste it may be due to when it was running dry? hard to tell. I feel the design does not really allow for material to get too close to the coils. but I guess anything can happen.

There are times when it seems that there is some juice left but It seems like the atty is not getting to it. What I usually do is do one short strong drag followed by a long slow drag to get it going again without topping off a couple of drops. With the 510, it sounds like more juice starts "getting in there" after doing this.

Not completely empty: Yes, it does not get completely empty. I guess I was just trying to get what was left to the part of the cart where the atty might be able to get to it: the top rather than the bottom with polyfill.

Thanks for the input, I hope it gets better.
Let me know if I can help.

rho

 

[jlcanary]

Funky taste? not sure. What I have found is that some flavors definitely tasted different after using this mod. 555 was pretty harsh for me until I started using this. Now there is a different taste that I dont remember was there before. I can recognize it now and I like it. BUT if you think its a burnt taste it may be due to when it was running dry? hard to tell. I feel the design does not really allow for material to get too close to the coils. but I guess anything can happen.

There are times when it seems that there is some juice left but It seems like the atty is not getting to it. What I usually do is do one short strong drag followed by a long slow drag to get it going again without topping off a couple of drops. With the 510, it sounds like more juice starts "getting in there" after doing this.

Not completely empty: Yes, it does not get completely empty. I guess I was just trying to get what was left to the part of the cart where the atty might be able to get to it: the top rather than the bottom with polyfill.

Thanks for the input, I hope it gets better.
Let me know if I can help.

rho

It wasn't a burnt taste. I don't know what it was but it is gone now. I actually filled the cart I am using now at about 3:15 and it is now about 5:30 and it is still going. That is awesome cause like I said before, I had to top off every couple of puffs. I tried the short drag and then long, It works pretty well. Thanks for this mod and all of the advice!

 

[BanjoMan]

rhoneil,

I tried a 3/4 piece of PTB this afternoon in my 901 using the zig-zag fold method. I rolled it medium (not too tight - not too loose), and it fit with room to spare. Under use, however, I could tell is was drawing harder than the 1/2 piece and not producing as much vapor.

After reading through the forums here I decided to try ShamWow (I had some of the thin blue stuff in the kitchen and just couldn't resist). I rolled a very small piece (about 1 1/2" long) and stuffed it in the cart. It draws slightly harder than the PTB, but there's no bad taste and no leakage whatsoever. I'm not sold on it but I intend on playing with the material some more. It might have promise...

 

[vpr2go]

Cool Mod! Definately going to try this tomorrow.

 

[rhoneil]

rhoneil,

I tried a 3/4 piece of PTB this afternoon in my 901 using the zig-zag fold method. I rolled it medium (not too tight - not too loose), and it fit with room to spare. Under use, however, I could tell is was drawing harder than the 1/2 piece and not producing as much vapor.

After reading through the forums here I decided to try ShamWow (I had some of the thin blue stuff in the kitchen and just couldn't resist). I rolled a very small piece (about 1 1/2" long) and stuffed it in the cart. It draws slightly harder than the PTB, but there's no bad taste and no leakage whatsoever. I'm not sold on it but I intend on playing with the material some more. It might have promise...

I feel like such a noob (well I am) not having a 901. I have heard good things about it. I may get one to see what works with it. Thanks for posting.

rho

 

[BanjoMan]

I like my 901 (it's an auto battery with flat tips), but for some reason I can't get much "exhaust smoke" out of it. The kits I bought from e Cig Hawaii, however, produce TONS of exhaust. I have a theory it's the juice (I refilled the e-health unit with JC juice and the exhaust dropped right off) they use and ordered some last night to try in the 901. I got some reduced PG from JC yesterday and it's still thin with not much exhaust. I have some Vermont Vapor on the way and I'll be testing that too.

Not blowing much smoke after an inhale isn't a deal breaker 'cause I know I'm still getting the nicotene, but mentally it seems to make a big difference in the "satisfaction" factor.

 

[rhoneil]

I filled a cart last night with Almond Joy from NHaler.com and put it on a newly charged battery (510 manual). Not real heavy vaping but not light either. Well, the battery just ran out and the cart is still going. Is this normal? Do carts usually last longer than the battery? I dont think I remember that happening with polyfill. I used to have a blu and even with the short battery life I remember changing carts before the charging the battery.

thoughts?