PTB Plug Full 510 Cart

[rhoneil]

that is GREAT news. I like the mod, but if there is anything I can do or suggest to make it easier to use (this or any other mod) I'll do what I can. If you roll it pretty loose and leave a hole in the middle you should get the first 10 drops in there pretty easy. But I agree, the next 9 starts getting some bubbles. Using something like this paper clip thing can make the second half of the fill easier. Its pretty easy when you take it out but there are times when you dont really want to or cant.

Hope things go well for you with it.

rho

 

[Stehle]

All I can say is... awesome!

All well done!

 

[one_raven]

I am still having the slight leakage problem with my ECOpure Purist 30mg juice, but not my Cappuchino 24mg from Widow's Beadwork.
The Cappuchino juice is a bit thicker.
When I put the 510 in my pocket cart-down, I don't have the problem, but the atomizer dries out quicker.
When I put it in my pocket cart-up, it sounds like I'm smoking a water pipe.
I think the juice is sliding down the side.

I am going to try putting a wick in the top fold (the first fold you do when you fold the whole tea bag in half) like a braided, cotton candle wick.
Hopefully this with both make the top more dense and enhance the "plug" aspects, plus it will absorb the juice trying to slide down the side into the pot.

Hopefully the candle wick will be willing to give up the juice.
I'll find out.

 

[rhoneil]

I am still having the slight leakage problem with my ECOpure Purist 30mg juice, but not my Cappuchino 24mg from Widow's Beadwork.
The Cappuchino juice is a bit thicker.
When I put the 510 in my pocket cart-down, I don't have the problem, but the atomizer dries out quicker.
When I put it in my pocket cart-up, it sounds like I'm smoking a water pipe.
I think the juice is sliding down the side.

I am going to try putting a wick in the top fold (the first fold you do when you fold the whole tea bag in half) like a braided, cotton candle wick.
Hopefully this with both make the top more dense and enhance the "plug" aspects, plus it will absorb the juice trying to slide down the side into the pot.

Hopefully the candle wick will be willing to give up the juice.
I'll find out.

one_raven, thanks for posting. I can see how 'thinner' liquids would have an issue with this mod in this particular form. The liquid bonding to itself is a big part of the plug and the capillary action that brings it to the wick. I think it is important to note that there are some factors that will affect they way you make this mod for it to work correctly. I really like the wick idea and I hope this helps you. My first reaction was to do another fold or use more material or a combination of them both. I will test the extreme and see how much liquid you can get in a cart and how difficult it would be to use a whole PTB. I dont know if any of my liquid is thinner than others but I will give this a try. I would like to make this mod as easy as possible. I was thinking this morning if I should make a video to see how fast I can make a quality version of this mod. thoughts?

good or bad let me know
rho

 

[rhoneil]

for those of you, me included, that dont want to bother with a mod that takes too long to make here is a quick video.

YouTube - Two minute Rho Mod

rho

 

[cuzinitt]

Brand new (soon to be) vape addict Greetings gents and ladies!

Great stuff, just got my Titan kit the other day and the carts don't last long. Have the one cart that is zero nic, so pulled out the poly.

Love your idea here and gonna give it a try. One thing I can add, as a new vaporer, I have several packs of the devil weed sitting around...

Pulled apart the filter and made some fray type cuts in the atty end and wow does it hold a lot of juice.

So, my advice? Bum a analog from a buddy and tear it apart for the filter.

 

[rhoneil]

I am still having the slight leakage problem with my ECOpure Purist 30mg juice, but not my Cappuchino 24mg from Widow's Beadwork.
The Cappuchino juice is a bit thicker.
When I put the 510 in my pocket cart-down, I don't have the problem, but the atomizer dries out quicker.
When I put it in my pocket cart-up, it sounds like I'm smoking a water pipe.
I think the juice is sliding down the side.

I am going to try putting a wick in the top fold (the first fold you do when you fold the whole tea bag in half) like a braided, cotton candle wick.
Hopefully this with both make the top more dense and enhance the "plug" aspects, plus it will absorb the juice trying to slide down the side into the pot.

Hopefully the candle wick will be willing to give up the juice.
I'll find out.

Using "Thin E-Juice" with PTB mods

I have tried a couple of adjustment to this mod to help it work better for 'thinner' ejuice. Here is the problem. If a thinner ejuice is not being held well with this PTB material you can do one of two things, as I see it. One, use more of this material to plug the top of the cart or two use a different material that holds the thinner ejuice better. Either way there are issues. If you use a material that holds the thin ejuice well it is going to be hard to empty your cart while vaping. That is the nature of beast. If you use more PTB material you could be able to efficiently 'plug' the top of the cart and prevent leaking. The problem with this will be in the topping off and refilling. You will be essentially plugging the top from easily getting juice into and empty or depleting cart. I dont think the issues are with this particular mod nor am i suggesting that is what you are saying. But the material here and the amount we are using seems to be the issue.
Let me know if the wick idea works. I think that would be invaluable information for myself and other users.
One other thing I would try is a PTB roll, fold, trim, fray and reverse method with a whole bag. Thats what I would try next but, again, I like the wick idea. I just dont want it to be more of a hassle for you. In like the design but for something like that I would like some company to make it for me. hint hint. hope that is your million dollar idea.

best of luck and keep us informed
rho

 

[one_raven]

I'm thinking that the wick should be just long enough to go around the inside rim of the atomizer once and have it on the outermost wrap touching the edge, just so it leeches up anything that is trying to slide down the sides.
The inside turns would not have wicking material, so there would be less concern about the candle wick being willing to give up the juice, and it would still be easy to fill.

I'll give it a try this weekend and let you know what happens.

By the way, when I lay my PV down on it's side, it is much better - that seems to confirm that the juice is sliding down the side.

 

[Stehle]

Well finally transferred all my carts from standard PTB method (1/2 sheet, loose, rolled & folded) that I have been using for about 2 months quite successfully to the RHO mod in the hopes of saving some leftover e-juice.

Using all new PTB's & carts. 16,14, & 10 drops respectively of various thicknesses (PG & VG) of e-juice including a DY mix that I fortified with extra thick VG. and followed rhoneil's latest video to the letter.

A bit of leakage and e-juice taste was noted in 1 of 4 of the 510's that were used which may also have had a weak atomizer. (Cleaning now.) They were all fully charged manual batteries, no PT was used.

All in all not a bad start. If the cart uses all or most of the liquid before refilling mission accomplished.

rhoneil:

Never have I seen a vaper more dedicated and somewhat obsessed with vaping and benefiting all who choose that path.

My hats off to your ingenuity, resourcefulness and that all to precious time consuming drive to "get it right".

I applaud your video efforts in showing concise, detailed and informative content. You have showed and I have learned quite a bit by watching them.

Anyway... Thank You.

Dave

(Okay, now where is that $20 you promised?)

 

[rhoneil]

(Okay, now where is that $20 you promised?)

In your PayPall account haha.

thanks for the kind words. as all of us, im just trying to get the most out of this as I can. I believe in the product. Nothing has ever turned me away form tobacco the way ecigs have. I enjoy it, I feel better and I have even converted family members and friends. ECF was a god send for me in its collaboration of ideas, tips and tricks etc. Just trying to contribute. If anything, maybe people can learn from my mistakes.

rho

 

[Mitchell]

Can anybody make a video for this for the 901?

 

[one_raven]

Here's what I did...

I took the original one I made yesterday, and put it into a drinking straw that I cut to the same length.
Then I took a piece of the scrap tea bag (that I did not use to make the Rho Mod) and cut it just wide enough to fit around the outside of the drinking straw once and about 1/4 (maybe a little less) longer than the straw.
I wrapped the tea bag bit tightly around the straw with the extra sticking out of the top and slid the whole contraption into the cart (it was a pretty tight fit - good luck getting it out without tweezers).
The extra, I just put in straight so it would gather a bit around the bridge.
Once it was in the cart, I used a toothpick to jostle the winds a bit to make sure it was pretty evenly rolled and not too tight.
This all sounds like a hell of a process, but it really didn't take more than a few minutes.

I have been using it for about an hour or so and it has been working like a champ.
I've been keeping it in my pocket - cart-side up - and no leaking at all.

If this works well, I will cut of fthe extra trim tea bag sticking out and see if that makes a difference.

I'll report back with my findings.

By the way... the first attempt left me with a taste that wasn't quite a dry atomizer, but almost dry, after a few pulls.
This is why I decided to adjust the rolls with a toothpick to make sure they were even and not too tightly wound.

 

[one_raven]

Trimming the excess tea bag off the end of the cart doesn't seem to have made a difference.
So far so good.
It has lost a bit of the springbackedyness, though, so I may have to cut just a bit off the length of the original Rho Mod to loosen it up just a little inside the straw.
We will see.

 

[meir]

Last night I switched all my carts over to the RHO Mod. Today was my first day using them and they worked excellently. I chain vape during my daily 40 min (each way) commute and whenever I'm driving. Usually I need to top off my carts once or twice a day at least. Today I used up two carts with no problems (usually I need to keep trying to top them off while I'm driving, NOT SAFE) and I'm on my third now. This is certainly a breakthrough in the development of e-cigs, well done rhoneil, and thanks!!

 

[Mitchell]

I tried this in my 901 but I don't think I did it right. It was kinda hard to put the cart on the atomizer..Did I use too much of the ptb? It only lasted me for like 30 mins as well but I was chain vaping....

 

[sattec]

I didn't read this whole thread. I just did this mod. But I did it different I'm sure...I roilled the tea bag like a news paper, flattened it out, rolled it up like a fire hose (they rollup flat like a wheel), got it the right size to make a plug, dripped 15 drops into the cart, installed the plug, primed the top of the plug with 2 drops, waited for it soak in...vaping like crazy now, plenty of juice. I'm am wondering how to get the plug out to refill the cart???? i don't dare use a needle to reload it cause I might make a channel for juice to flood through MAN, these 510 original equip batts are not long lasting at all!!!! I get about an hour and a half and they are dead....

 

[Kent C]

BTW I want to give credit to whoever thought of using the PTB material. Not sure who that is. Pyramid Tea Bags are great. Tea not bad either.

rho

First 'tea bag' idea:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/11394-replacing-cartridge-wool-3.html#post178183

First 'nylon' tea bag idea:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/uk-e-smokers/27642-nylon-teabags-uk.html

First Pyramid mention (same thread):

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/uk-e-smokers/27642-nylon-teabags-uk.html#post430073

 

[Stehle]

First 'tea bag' idea:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/11394-replacing-cartridge-wool-3.html#post178183

First 'nylon' tea bag idea:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/uk-e-smokers/27642-nylon-teabags-uk.html

First Pyramid mention (same thread):

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/uk-e-smokers/27642-nylon-teabags-uk.html#post430073

Very cool Kent C!

(It figures in the UK.)

 

[rhoneil]

Can anybody make a video for this for the 901?

Im sorry, I dont have a 901 I would make a video if i did. But I do know that people have used it in other carts including a smaller smokestik. Let me know if I can help.

rho

 

[Pumaman]

My first newbie post, so be gentle...

Started vaping about 2 weeks ago on a 510 with the "new" atty from Innovapor, just got serious this week when my major juice shipment arrived.
I was off analogs in 1 day!

Anyway, been trying the mods while I have been home sick and this is the best IMHO that I have come across. I just discovered a trick for when it starts to go dry (forgive me if someone already posted it somewhere else). Instead of taking the hard draw and resuming to get the vapor back, try twisting the cartridge while holding the atty, an 1/8 to a 1/4 turn back and forth does it. The bridge grabs the plug and wrings juice out on to the atty, it's like you just refilled or even dripped! Try it.

The question: With the PTB, as good as they are, I am getting a distinct nylon aftertaste. There is no sign of burning, but I know what nylon tastes like (long story) and this is it. Has anyone else noticed this and does it tend to go away?

Thanks in advance.