I had never heard of them befor you post, but OMG they're so cute! I prefer short haired cats though as I'm allergic(same with dogs)
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I had never heard of them befor you post, but OMG they're so cute! I prefer short haired cats though as I'm allergic(same with dogs)
Obese pets? A pet peeve of mine ................ To me it's a form of animal abuse. I agree.. that's why it drives me nuts when I see it.
.............. But what they do is breed their ..... every single heat cycle. This results in the same thing it would in humans. Mom's body never fully recovered from the last pregnancy so she's not as strong as she should be. She gives birth to puppies with defects, some not immediately visable. Yet another form of animal abuse
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Two of the worst I get at our shop are a couple shih tzus that are bred to have their tongues sticking out a little. Can you imagine going thru life with YOUR tongue hanging out? Dry, dirty, hairy...eventually split..etc etc. Makes me so mad! I actually have one shih tzu that has toe nails GROWING OUT OF HER BACK. That (both things) is disgusting.. Why would anyone do that?!
The day I'm driving down the road and see someone abusing their dog I'll be doing a whole lot more than yelling. Sometimes it's necessary to swat AT your dog but there is absolutely no reason to kick a dog.. unless you're under attack. and no reason to hit them either (unless they like it.. ya know.. love pats<snip>I've jumped out of my car and yelled at strangers I've seen kicking or hitting their dogs.8-o I guess I'm lucky I haven't gotten my a** whipped yet.
) I have to disagree with you here Moonbeat.. the whole reason we got my female was to breed her to my rotty (once she's old enough... she'll be almost 2 and have had her 3rd heat by the time we let them breed) and sure my dad will sell the extras but the reason we got her (and we searched for over a year for the perfect female) is because bully is such a good dog, he's a wonderful guard dog.. In all the dogs we've owned in my life (dad used to breed for money... sheppies for cops and prisons and stuff.. $2K-$5K a dog) Bully is tied for #1 with a dog my dad got before I was born (they had to put him down when I was about 4 because he was so old.. he was like 15) Bully being 5 or 6 (I never can remember his age lol) doesn't have many breeding years left in him and there's also the inevitable short lived life of a dog
We want to have a part of him forever, so we found the perfect female to complement his personality and add to the size (she's a neo. if I haven't shared that already). When I move out (yes I still live at home) I want one to take with me, to make me feel safe, since I cant take coco or cali. Finding a dog with their mentality is very difficult now days... too many people breeding dogs for looks or obediance or for show (useless purposes if you ask me).. finding a true alpha gets harder and harder as time goes on.. I don't care who says what, if a dog isn't a true alpha it doesn't make a good guard dog, and a true alpha does crap for obediance but they are spectacular for man work.
So we intend to breed our dogs for the purpose of having another coco. I know I want one, of course dad wants one. I'm sending one to Oklahoma (after I've gotten it mostly trained) to protect my mom (she lives in a bad neigborhood) and my boss also has dibs on one because he knows how good of a guard dog we have and understands how hard it is to get one.
When we sell them they will be sold as guard dogs, and only after an extensive lecture on how to handle this type of dogs. Most of the time you hear about someone having to put their dog down because it bit them.. is because they knew nothing of dogs, picked one for looks only, and accidentally got an alpha and had no knowledge of how to handle them. When I was a kid dad turned away countless buyers offering him as much as TWICE what he was selling for (one guy offered him $8K for a dog) because the buyer was an idiot and would eventually end up getting themselves hurt and the dog killed and he didn't want to see the dog killed because of an idiotic owner.
To me.. this is the only reason to breed. To produce working dogs. Dogs that serve a purpose. Be it for the police, or prisons, or security companies or junk yards or just for a dog to guard your home and make you feel safe at night. I sleep at night under more than 200lbs of dog without a locked door and without any sort of wepon in easy access because I know with those two, I could sleep in a gutter in the worst ghetto in the US and never have to worry about a thing.
Ok.. rant mode off
The day I'm driving down the road and see someone abusing their dog I'll be doing a whole lot more than yelling. Sometimes it's necessary to swat AT your dog but there is absolutely no reason to kick a dog.. unless you're under attack. and no reason to hit them either (unless they like it.. ya know.. love pats
I have to disagree with you here Moonbeat.. the whole reason we got my female was to breed her to my rotty (once she's old enough... she'll be almost 2 and have had her 3rd heat by the time we let them breed) and sure my dad will sell the extras but the reason we got her (and we searched for over a year for the perfect female) is because bully is such a good dog, he's a wonderful guard dog.. In all the dogs we've owned in my life (dad used to breed for money... sheppies for cops and prisons and stuff.. $2K-$5K a dog) Bully is tied for #1 with a dog my dad got before I was born (they had to put him down when I was about 4 because he was so old.. he was like 15) Bully being 5 or 6 (I never can remember his age lol) doesn't have many breeding years left in him and there's also the inevitable short lived life of a dog
When I move out (yes I still live at home) I want one to take with me, to make me feel safe, since I cant take coco or cali. Finding a dog with their mentality is very difficult now days... too many people breeding dogs for looks or obediance or for show (useless purposes if you ask me).. finding a true alpha gets harder and harder as time goes on.. I don't care who says what, if a dog isn't a true alpha it doesn't make a good guard dog, and a true alpha does crap for obediance but they are spectacular for man work.
So we intend to breed our dogs for the purpose of having another coco. I know I want one, of course dad wants one. I'm sending one to Oklahoma (after I've gotten it mostly trained) to protect my mom (she lives in a bad neigborhood) and my boss also has dibs on one because he knows how good of a guard dog we have and understands how hard it is to get one.
When we sell them they will be sold as guard dogs, and only after an extensive lecture on how to handle this type of dogs. Most of the time you hear about someone having to put their dog down because it bit them.. is because they knew nothing of dogs, picked one for looks only, and accidentally got an alpha and had no knowledge of how to handle them. When I was a kid dad turned away countless buyers offering him as much as TWICE what he was selling for (one guy offered him $8K for a dog) because the buyer was an idiot and would eventually end up getting themselves hurt and the dog killed and he didn't want to see the dog killed because of an idiotic owner.
To me.. this is the only reason to breed. To produce working dogs. Dogs that serve a purpose. Be it for the police, or prisons, or security companies or junk yards or just for a dog to guard your home and make you feel safe at night. I sleep at night under more than 200lbs of dog without a locked door and without any sort of wepon in easy access because I know with those two, I could sleep in a gutter in the worst ghetto in the US and never have to worry about a thing.
Ok.. rant mode off
IMO (formed from extensive research and speaking to many Rottie breeders and trainers both in the US and in Europe), Rotties should never be sold as guard dogs. While they will sometimes guard their companions, it is not what they were bred for. Many Rotties end up in shelters because they are purchased as guard dogs and the new owners found out the hard way that they are not always good guard dogs. Rotties are cattle dogs, they need extensive training to make a reliable guard dog, and when trained that way they need firmer handling than breeds that were bred for this purpose, firmer than most owners are capable of being. Also unlike some breeds the personality of Rotties is very variable (I've met Rotties that are everywhere from cuddly couch buddies to those who have the intended high-drive, prey loving ones who chase everything that moves) and there is no way to tell what the puppies will be like regardless of the parents temperaments. Sure sometimes you get lucky and get a Rottie who is a devoted guarder, but that usually has more to do with your relationship with them than anything. Just my opinion though. Rotties are working dogs, therefore bettering the breed is producing working dogs, in their case herding and pulling dogs
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In general you're right actually.. most of those stats though are based off of the American Rotts.. Both of bully's parents are of pure german lines specifically breed for generations for guard work. (shipped in from germany) Only breeding alphas to alphas.
The "may or may not be a guard dog" discussion is what I was on about before.. the alphas have been bred out in america.. becaus they are the agressive ones that no one likes. Americans breed for the pretty ones or the cuddely ones or wahtever. The germans breed for the smartest and the meanes (in any breed) A dog that is dumb and cuddly will be fixed immediatly (at the very least, often times they kill them for being "useless".. no i don't condone that part.. but it happens) physical impefection is treated the same way over there. That is why a german line is always best and why we won't get american dogs.. never have. Even dad's sheppies were shipped in from germany.
Anything less than an alpha makes a crap guard dog. That's where you get the "may or may nots" An alpha will always guard, trained or not, because they are that territorial. The problem is unless it's generations and generations of alphas you may get 1 or 2 out of a litter. MAYBE.. most the time you get a lot of betas and lesser mentality dogs. But you can tell the difference from the time their eyes open, before they even know. Their instinct is completely different. Its like the diference in the instinct of a house cat and a couger, immediatly evident from birth. One has the gall to stand alone and will fight at the drop of a hat, the other will take whatever you give and just wants to be loved and love someone else. Dealing with an alpha must always be treated with the same caution as dealing with a loaded gun.. you never know when it's gonna go off.
Also.. guarding is a form of work, you don;t raise a guard dog by cuddlign and loving it, you raise them by keeping them in their territory. You don;t take a guard dog to the park and let it play with all the little kids, you don't take it to the dog park and let it run around, and you don't socialize it with anyone that you don't want it to consider pack. EVER. If you make an exception to that rule you'll "ruin the dog" as my dad calls it. You also must always have a firm hand and never let the dog push you, an alpha doesn't comprehend "human is the boss" the alpha only understands that the strongest is the boss so you can never take guff off the dog, even a little growl of irritation must always be met with punishment because if he growls and you back up he thinks he's won and he's the boss.. and that's how owners get hurt. Like i said.. always the same caution as dealing with a wepon.. because that is essentially what a guard dog is.
True there will be some dogs that don't have the right mentality which is why dad is prepared for multiple litters.. and those "culls" as he calls them will be sold as "less than" but no pup will be given to an owner without proper imprintation (IE: protected during the fear stage so they grow up without being afraid of something... more on that later if you're interested)
You can take a dog with the perfect mentality and if raised socially and with love and cuddles and cookies and rainbows will grow up to be a big cuddle bug like you describe yours.
That same dog if raised exclusivly and with love only from select people, raised with the knowledge that no one else but "the pack" is allowed in it's territory will look at guarding as it's work.
To say "Rotties are working dogs" is true.. but you're not 100% correct as to what. Truely all dogs are working dogs. They love their job. Whatever assignment that is. If you raise a dog to believe that guarding is their "work" then they will take pride in it and do it better than anything else. If you raise them for hunting .. then that is their job, same for companionship, cuddling, and eating cat poop.. whatever job you assign to them from birth is what they will do and they will do it happily just to please "the pack" a dog without a purpose is a dog that gets into everything, tears up everyting, barks at everyting, poops everywhere, and is all around a useless out of control annoyance.
Yes, they are beautiful cats...and very sweet natured. Sorry to hear your allergic.
I agree wholeheartedly with you. Generally if you're breeding for the good of the dog/or cat breed, you're not going to make money at it. It costs a lot to show and the vet bills run up fast.
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I waited for my BLU Cig for several weeks and never got it. I cancelled my order and when they opened their site back up I ordered again, they charged my card $1 and i got an e-mail stating the order had been received, but nothing since and it's going on 2 weeks.
I guess its a good thing because a freind of mine got one from another supplier so I decided to order from them. I ordered what they call the Buy 2 and Save. It came with 2 complete sets which included 4 complete cigarettes (4 batteries, 4 atomizers, and 2 chargers). Also bought some menthol liquid from them and it is really great. The best part is I got it all for under $100 and the liquid is incredible. Very nice company to work with, I placed the order on Friday (3 days ago) and received it around noon today. Talk about quick shipping (and the shipping was free.
I'm told the Pro set is even better than the classic set I purchased so I plan to try it in a couple of weeks. Even better, they offer you a free set if you refer 5 people that buy so I'm going to let my freinds know to buy.
Anyway, the company I bought from is AquaVapor LLC and website is aquavaporcig and the model is a DEUCE II Classic set.
They also have disposable sets and mini sets for very cheap. If you gals are looking for a great ecig, you need to check them out.
I guess its a good thing because a freind of mine got one from another supplier so I decided to order from them. I ordered what they call the Buy 2 and Save. It came with 2 complete sets which included 4 complete cigarettes (4 batteries, 4 atomizers, and 2 chargers). Also bought some menthol liquid from them and it is really great. The best part is I got it all for under $100 and the liquid is incredible. Very nice company to work with, I placed the order on Friday (3 days ago) and received it around noon today. Talk about quick shipping (and the shipping was free.
I'm told the Pro set is even better than the classic set I purchased so I plan to try it in a couple of weeks. Even better, they offer you a free set if you refer 5 people that buy so I'm going to let my freinds know to buy.
Anyway, the company I bought from is AquaVapor LLC and website is aquavaporcig and the model is a DEUCE II Classic set.
They also have disposable sets and mini sets for very cheap. If you gals are looking for a great ecig, you need to check them out.
Speaking of Deuce, I'm thinking about right now...."What the duece?"
Is this a spammer? In our pet forums at that?
Btw, awesome kitty Beatle
Is this a spammer? In our pet forums at that?
Btw, awesome kitty Beatle
Speaking of Deuce, I'm thinking about right now...."What the duece?"
Is this a spammer? In our pet forums at that?
Btw, awesome kitty Beatle
Thank you!
(Macca says thanks too!
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I also have four young kittens (about 3 months old). They're all foster babies. My male baby got neutered today (the females next monday) and boy he sure is acting strange tonight. He's hissing and growling at the girls now for some reason. I'm hoping it's just side effects from the anesthesia. Anyone ever had their pets acting funny after a spay or neuter?
Sorry gals I just joined this forum because I just got my first e-cig and I am a cat lover so I found this topic and thought it would be a good place to share with others with the same interest. Sorry.
and no I am not a spammer, I'm just a happy vapor girl that has finally switched from analog to digital.
and no I am not a spammer, I'm just a happy vapor girl that has finally switched from analog to digital.
glad to hear this! LOL You could try posting your last post in "New Member" forums here: New Members' Forum - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat
Hope that helps!
LOL Ok sorry peach. It was so off topic and out of the blue and I saw it was first post.....<grin> Natural conclusion. Welcome to vaping
Welcome to vaping
My cat attacked the vet after his neuter... but he attacks people. He's a special needs kitty that guards our back door. He goes into attack mode when startled by people he doesn't know well.
Introducing my baby, Meow McCatney (Macca)
THis is my fav pic.
Awwwwwww what a cutie, esp the first two pics, thanks for sharing!
Every time I read the title of this thread, I get that song stuck in my head...
"...and they called it Puppy Luuuuuuuuve.....Oh I guess they'll never know....how a young heart really feels.....and just why I love her soooooooo...."
"...and they called it Puppy Luuuuuuuuve.....Oh I guess they'll never know....how a young heart really feels.....and just why I love her soooooooo...."
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