Question about polycarbonate clearomizers

[tombaker]

1. Polycarbonate is laced with BPA --> The main polycarbonate material is produced by the reaction of bisphenol A (BPA) and phosgene thats it.
2. BPA has reasonable health concerns, its similar to estrogen, which is not a great thing for guys. The general medical consensus is that since there are alternatives to BPA laced plastics, why not just use them. The risks certain, the level of damage, from sucking up BPA, is not certain.
3. Polycarbonate releases BPA under room temperatures into water. Heat increases it.
4. A large number of E-Liquid, MELT, polycarbonate. Melt and/or Crack.
5. When a high VG fruit flavor juice clouds up a clearomizer, its releasing tons of BPA. BPA that is about to be directed into the lungs, and its orders of magnitude larger, than what mothers are worried about from apple juice in a baby bottle.
6. Even if your clearomizer does not cloud up fully, every e-juice with the heat, is going to leach out BPA, the Polycarbonate is leaching and melting,in every Polycarbonate Clearomizer, with every e-liquid.
6. Polypropylene tank material does not have this problem, it does not have BPA.
7. Lots of people who are aware of the risks of vaping BPA, just use glass clearomizers. Some fools think that solves it.
8. Lots of new vapors are coming in and using BPA leaching clearomizers. Its a known health risk, it not being fixed by the industry, and the dangerous products are still being sold to unknowing new vapors.

9. Nobody knows what vaping BPA is going to do, its like estrogen, it crosses the blood-brain barrier.
10. BPA is like estrogen, and there are plenty of youtube videos of Vape Reviews, who got man-boobs. Just saying, and we don't know what BPA does.

If the E-Cig "industry" can not figure out that a melting Polycarbonate clearomizer is spewing BPA into the Vapors lungs, then they are not truly thinking about safety of the Vapors.

For lawyers, you can just say it this way. The intended usage of the product with ejuice is unsafe.

Solution: Use Polypropylene tubes, or go Pyrex. Require manufacturers do the same, either by regulations, or refusal to buy.

This post is saying, its not just my problem, or my choice, its that every new vapor is going into Clearomizers is vaping BPA, so much BPA you can see some juices melt the clearo, as you watch

 

[OlDogNewTricks]

I respect you and your post, obviously this is meaningful to you. I would respectfully suggest a few things. First, The amount that you are getting from vaping is most likely far less than through direct contact with foods, etc. Any leachate would have to make it through the wicking, be atomized, inhaled, deposited and absorbed into the membranes. That's a lot of transitions. Second, many, if not most, end up with pyrex (borosilicate) pretty quickly after a reactive juice 'eats' their first tank. Those reactive juices are more likely to leach substances into the liquid than non-reactive ones. Thank you for your post. Good luck and have fun!

 

[Thrasher]

he use of polycarbonate containers for the purpose of food storage is controversial. The basis of this controversy is their hydrolysis (degradation by water, often referred to as leaching) occurring at high temperature, releases bisphenol A:

1/n [OC(OC6H4)2CMe2]n + H2O → (HOC6H4)2CMe2 + CO2

More than 100 studies have explored the bioactivity of bisphenol A derived from polycarbonates. Bisphenol A appeared to be released from polycarbonate animal cages into water at room temperature and it may have been responsible for enlargement of the reproductive organs of female mice.[18] However, the animal cages used in the research were fabricated from industrial grade polycarbonate, rather than FDA food grade polycarbonate.

An analysis of the literature on bisphenol A leachate low-dose effects by vom Saal and Hughes published in August 2005 seems to have found a suggestive correlation between the source of funding and the conclusion drawn.



Recent research suggests that endocrine -disrupting chemicals may in fact be much more common to many or most plastics than was previously realized. In 2011 researchers looked at 455 common plastic products and found that 70% tested positive for estrogenic activity. After the products had been washed or microwaved the proportion rose to 95%. The study concluded:

Almost all commercially available plastic products we sampled, independent of the type of resin, product, or retail source, leached chemicals having reliably-detectable EA [endocrine activity], including those advertised as BPA-free. In some cases, BPA-free products released chemicals having more EA than BPA-containing products.


so relax a little, many of the "plastics" being used now are actually an Acrylic blend. If they dont care what my tupperware bowl is made of do you think they care about a clearo?

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

Now with all the above said...if you get a clearo that IS attacked by a "cracking juice" STOP using it..the chemicals ARE leaching because it is reacting with whatever it is in the juice...thus either gut it and use the rest of it as parts, but do NOT use it for vaping

Most people end up going Pyrex (glass) tanks for the more volatile plastic eating/cracking/etching juices anyway

Most excellent research and reading though...thanks!!!

 

[Mattnatti]

No inhale into lungs and glass tanks work for me.

 

[tombaker]

Second, many, if not most, end up with pyrex (borosilicate) pretty quickly after a reactive juice 'eats' their first tank. Those reactive juices are more likely to leach substances into the liquid than non-reactive ones.

Appreciate your reply. I quickly am transitioning from KR808D-1 to EGO/510 threading. Bought and iTaste, waiting on Vape Mail, and it will come with 5 really nice iClear16. I bought from a local shop some Double Apple, until my re-order of Juices some in, which will be Liqua, and some all PG from another vendor. My clearos handled juice just fine, until I put this Apple in one, it melted in about 10 minutes, both the clear part, and the black drip tip. Turned out it was 100% VG. It hit the trash.

Beyond the clearo, it think it might have been attacking my white resin tooth filling. That 11 dollars of a quick fix juice, hits the trash.

Because of this, and then the notion my polycarbonate iClears could be leaching with 30% and citrus at a ton of other flavors. Well my simple solution is what you think. I am going to pony up for three Mini Protank II, removable tip version. 45 dollars and I set to go, and the replaceable heads will easily save me money in the long run. (Considered Davide, except the fill is supposed to be a hassle on the mini Davide.) I will put up my 5 iClear16s up for sale.

Now the new problem. I know a Cancer survivor who she is now still smoking, I am about to set her up with Smokeless image, or Volt, clearos and my batteries. Carts just suck. Do I tell her about the BPA, can I find Polypropylene Clearos in KR808D...what a new hassle. She is over 60, and would just use and toss the mini clearos after a couple of weeks. So that is my problem on how to get her going.....I probably won't tell her anything. Getting off Analog is much more critical.

Then I read about all these legislators looking at E-Cigs, and know they can freak out some people on BPA, then hit with Chinese made, and then say without harsh regulations, E-Cigs are not safe as used.

So I end up being ...... that they just have not gone to the Polypropylene already, I look at the Smok Tech Tumbler its frostly, but some say its Polypropylene, other vendors say its Polycarbonate, and then again its not KR808D

My forum searchs show this was being talked about in 2008.....5 years later, nobody is leaning on China to switch

 

[tombaker]

he use of polycarbonate containers for the purpose of food storage is controversial. The basis of this controversy is their hydrolysis (degradation by water, often referred to as leaching) occurring at high temperature, releases bisphenol A:

You are forgetting the juice is melting the tanks, the user is vaping on a tank where the polycarbonate, is decomposing. The amounts of BPA released by melting PC, is going to huge, compared to water/orange juice/apple sitting in a glass.....which is all of the studies

The BPA from e-cig tanks, will never be studied in humans....it would not pass the medical ethics test.

 

[tombaker]

Now with all the above said...if you get a clearo that IS attacked by a "cracking juice" STOP using it..the chemicals ARE leaching because it is reacting with whatever it is in the juice...thus either gut it and use the rest of it as parts, but do NOT use it for vaping

I just figure that because its not melting, does not mean, its not just leaching out BPA still, but slower

 

[HawaiiVPR]

I often hear about these reactive 100% VG juices that damage tanks, scary stuff! I personally only use 100% VG e-juice, tried everything from citrus, spearmints, cinnamons and many of the other flavors that seem to get a bad rap. However, thankfully, I have yet to experience this.

Personally, if I ever used a juice that reacted that way to my clearomizer/tank, I would never use that brand again. Is it possible that there is some other additive other than the Vegetable Glycerin, nicotine and the flavoring that would cause something like this?

 

[Anjaffm]

Golly Gee, the end of the world is near....
In all my almost 2 years of vaping, I have never had any liquid react with plastic.

If you use liquids that react with plastic (I have heard that strong menthol liquid may do that), then use a glass vaporizer.
Problem solved - and no need to yell "the end is near".
If I want FUD and people yelling doomsday stuff in my ear, then I check the media.
Thank you.

 

[nmackan]

Golly Gee, the end of the world is near....
In all my almost 2 years of vaping, I have never had any liquid react with plastic.

If you use liquids that react with plastic (I have heard that strong menthol liquid may do that), then use a glass vaporizer.
Problem solved - and no need to yell "the end is near".
If I want FUD and people yelling doomsday stuff in my ear, then I check the media.
Thank you.

I am tickled death once I think those all concerned people were within a short time ago, used to smoke 4000 odd chemicals including 400 fatal, 50 carcinogen for about avarage 20 years. Since when they become health aware people I dont know.

 

[4star60]

Lol... My vape has BPA! My cigarettes had a lot more than that in them....

 

[Phoole]

I had a cinnamon that clouded up an Evod tank.
Will never use it in plastic again.

 

[Mouseshooter]

I wondered why some of my bargain clearos were getting cloudy, and one developed cracks in the threads. Found that the cinnamon juices are tough on plastic. Easy fix.... Protank II!

 

[SupplyDaddy]

Golly Gee, the end of the world is near....
In all my almost 2 years of vaping, I have never had any liquid react with plastic.

If you use liquids that react with plastic (I have heard that strong menthol liquid may do that), then use a glass vaporizer.
Problem solved - and no need to yell "the end is near".
If I want FUD and people yelling doomsday stuff in my ear, then I check the media.
Thank you.

My thoughts also....

 

[440BB]

Given the heat that is generated within a clearo or tank, this would seem to be a valid concern. It seems testing would be appropriate - anybody know if there is any data out there yet using liquids with nic?

 

[retired1]

Let's watch and be careful of the sensationalism in our titles please. I've edited it to remove the sensationalism and remove some of the ANTZ ammo it provided.

And for those of you with the snark, knock it off. It's not appreciated or warranted.

 

[AttyPops]

OP: I have no problem discussing such things. It's valid to at least test and to be aware.

Right now I'm vaping a metal atomizer...not worried about BPA. I probably get most of it from 2-liter soda bottles.

However, it is good "food" for thought.

You can always rationalize something stupid by saying "but I used to smoke XX cigs a day, so this isn't bad". Denial will get you killed too. It's amazing how otherwise rational people (addicts in particular) can rationalize away a valid concern. That's not to say we should panic, but awareness is a good thing. If we vape because it's healthier, we should try and make it as healthy as we can.

 

[Anjaffm]

@retired1:

I've edited it to remove the sensationalism and remove some of the ANTZ ammo it provided.

Thank you very much.
The sensationalism of the title is precisely what I was referring to in my comment.

Voicing a valid concern is one thing.
Using sensationalist headlines is a completely different matter.
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Insulting other users by lumping them with "addicts" is another matter again. I am still learning "who is who" in this forum. Information received. Well noted. *smiles*

 

[AttyPops]

Well, consider the "addict" a self reference then. It was not meant as an insult. Just a nicotine observation for me. (and I suppose caffeine too...the soda reference)