Question about polycarbonate clearomizers
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For starky part, and considering the first title some asks himself if we are in the same boat. If we are in the same boat we can discuss things about the safety or after effects of vaping, diffrerent side effects and warn each other about lots of things. which we are doing or I notice ever since I joined the forum. But whenever or whereever I am considered "you" from someone as "we" they call themselves I became irritated. Even If this comes from someone countering vaping or very forum moderator. There is not any we or you here. We are vaping people who are inclined to help each other by experience and encourage new beginners. Do you see anyone who is a long time vaper considering a new member "hey you ignorant addict, you think you are doing right but you are wrong vaping is more dangerous than you can think" or "You poor noob you are new here I am old you have a long way to come to my level yet"
No?
Than I think right we are helping each other regardless the education or knowledge of us.
When I meet a person who is against vaping I try to explain things but if he/she insists I undertand it is a waste of time and I stark.
There are attacks to the e-cigs by various people big tobacco big pharma etc. They always find something to confuse vapers.
"There is formaldehit in Vaping devices." Nobody asks whether there is formaldehit in cigarettes too cause the answer is far more.
No need to lecture about them you just say "My friends there is "something" in e-cig causing "this" this is all there is to it"
I certainly think people lecturing me about the hazards of e-cigarettes consider them as smoking profiters or stark ignorants. sorry if I am wrong. If we are all "we" no question about it I totally apologize everybody. If we are not, I stark because they stark me too.
Now if you dont like my post you can clean it and ban me.
No?
Than I think right we are helping each other regardless the education or knowledge of us.
When I meet a person who is against vaping I try to explain things but if he/she insists I undertand it is a waste of time and I stark.
There are attacks to the e-cigs by various people big tobacco big pharma etc. They always find something to confuse vapers.
"There is formaldehit in Vaping devices." Nobody asks whether there is formaldehit in cigarettes too cause the answer is far more.
No need to lecture about them you just say "My friends there is "something" in e-cig causing "this" this is all there is to it"
I certainly think people lecturing me about the hazards of e-cigarettes consider them as smoking profiters or stark ignorants. sorry if I am wrong. If we are all "we" no question about it I totally apologize everybody. If we are not, I stark because they stark me too.
Now if you dont like my post you can clean it and ban me.
First off, since I'm the 1st one that mentioned the word "addict".... I really didn't think anything about it. It wasn't meant as an insult...just a reality. Although I understand that not everyone is addicted to nic, I know that most of us are former smokers who are/were. And the defensiveness of many on this board toward e-cigs is understandable but sometimes just a bit ....defensive. I didn't even think twice about mentioning addiction and vaping related stuff. Never occurred to me that some would get offended.
As to the rest, there's nothing wrong with "be nice". You don't have to agree. I know that with all the ANTZ and FDA stuff it gets rather irritating. I understand the defensiveness. But we have to work as a community to help dispel myths as well as research stuff. THAT is one of the most important things that sites like ECF give us...information.
And this is hardly the first..."overstated" title on the forum.
As to the rest, there's nothing wrong with "be nice". You don't have to agree. I know that with all the ANTZ and FDA stuff it gets rather irritating. I understand the defensiveness. But we have to work as a community to help dispel myths as well as research stuff. THAT is one of the most important things that sites like ECF give us...information.
And this is hardly the first..."overstated" title on the forum.
I think this is a very interesting thread. I opened this thread to amuse myself with the potential FUD herein, but it soon became clear that the OP made some valid points. I think the thread is a lot more valid now the threadtitle has been calmed down. I've made my own way to glass tanks, and the first time I dry-burned my gear during cleaning, I recognised the putrid burning smell coming off it, thinking "aargh, I recognise that from some of the dry hits I was getting". It's horrific to realise that at one point I was actually vaping that, until I upgraded my delivery devices to avoid it.
So it's very interersting to understand that the leeching from plastic clearo's might be a concern. I already consider them to be not right for me for various reasons, but I do have an iClear 30 I havent tried yet, so I'll keep the "cloudy" issue in mind
So it's very interersting to understand that the leeching from plastic clearo's might be a concern. I already consider them to be not right for me for various reasons, but I do have an iClear 30 I havent tried yet, so I'll keep the "cloudy" issue in mind
Just to be clear, from my understanding, the leaching happens regardless of plastic "clouding" and juice reactions. Although it is probably worse in that case.
Then again, I drink soda from food-safe plastic 2-liter bottles all the time. Whatayagonnado?
Then again, I drink soda from food-safe plastic 2-liter bottles all the time. Whatayagonnado?
^Better plastic than cans... I'm about to start buying bottles to not ingest "food safe lubricant/corrosion deterrent" that is on the inside of cans.
Edit- When I get around to it, I'm going to post a video of the same liquid with a polycarbonate and polypropylene tank submersed in it. I'll get it set up to where you can see the stress fractures develop before the tank fully cracks/melts.
Edit- When I get around to it, I'm going to post a video of the same liquid with a polycarbonate and polypropylene tank submersed in it. I'll get it set up to where you can see the stress fractures develop before the tank fully cracks/melts.
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Don't appreciate removal of content, replaced "questions". The decomposition of polycarbonate necessarily releases huge amounts of BPA. The title removes all of that problem. The responses here all point to a single answer, that of using a glass tank (or metal). This is the subject.
I would suggest specifically to you, that this problem of BPA is significant enough to warrant a better solution than, deleting it from the subject title. For example a juice maker says they put their juice in glass bottles, because of BPA, but then sells polycarbonate tanks to smoke them.
The title is now entirely voided of its descriptive purpose, made to appear a noob question.....instead of BPA released in every Polycarbonate tank vs none in every Polypropylene tank.
Yeah, the title was changed when I got around to viewing this thread. I just avoided the beginning because of the typical question from that, but this is a really good thread.. I don't think scientific data should be deleted....via the omnipotent thread grim reaper.
That type of soda bottle is made from Polyethylene terephthalate, which is entirely BPA free. As with Polypropylene also. Polycarbonate unique as it made through processing BPA. Which is why Polycarbonate is not a good choice for any e-liquid and or heating elements. A better solution is Polypropylene, which does not disintegrate with e-liquids.
Polyethylene Terephthalate? How does that relate to:
http: //www.ibtimes.com/what-are-bpa-phthalates-plastics-chemicals-could-increase-reproductive-risks-men-women-1425244 <-- link deliberately broken. Copy and paste, remove space before // to read "What Are BPA And Phthalates? Plastics Chemicals Could Increase Reproductive Risks In Men And Women"
???? If at all.
And I'd expect this thread to get moved to health and safety soon too....
Not that I'm needed to defend the mods...and I should stay out of it...but FYI "newbies" can post anything, true or not, and google scans this server, and makes it look like ECF is full of stuff that is...questionable. So they watch titles and such for inflammatory stuff. Overall the strategy keeps out the false-info-spreaders.
And so you know, you're not the 1st to discuss this.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/469819-evod-bpa-free.html?highlight=BPA
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...7-plastic-bottles-e-liquid.html?highlight=BPA
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ng-away-plastic-tanks-glue.html?highlight=BPA
etc. Do a search and you'll find them.
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You said twice your are getting BPA from soda bottles, you are not. That 2-liter bottle, is made out of PET, and has zero BPA. They are understood to be safe already.
I have done searching on the threads, its entirely clear....that polycarbonate leaches BPA from heat, and more and less from types of juices, but from all, they get BPA. The solution offered is always glass, and let whoever else has not figured it out.....go on and vape the BPA.
I think that pressure should be put on the Chinese manufacturers to switch to an equally cheap material. Why not? Why would anyone put a friend into a Polycarbonate Clearomizer? Just 4 ingredients in e-Liquid, well 5 if you count the BPA....I suggest not that path.
Why not use Polypropylene???? which wikipedia says is "rugged and unusually resistant to many chemical solvents, bases and acids."
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Some tanks are polypropylene. But I was wondering how that related to the phthalate thing. Not the BPA part. Maybe one of our resident chemists will know.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tank-issues/285001-polypropylene-vs-polycarbonate-tanks.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tank-issues/285001-polypropylene-vs-polycarbonate-tanks.html
PET is not a alterantive to polycarboanate for tanks as of yet) Polyproplene is
OT....For your soda bottles.
Polyethylene terephthalate (PETE) is the main substance used to package bottled water and many sodas. Products containing PETE are labeled "Type 1" (with a "1" in the recycle triangle) for recycling purposes. Although the word "phthalate" appears in the name, PETE does not use phthalates as plasticizers. The terephthalate polymer PETE and the phthalate ester plasticizers are chemically different substances
It sounds like you have some concerns about Bisphenol-A. Here is an Interesting that you Probably won't like reading.
BPA-FREE? Not so fast…
If you look at the table PP (aka Polyproplyene) has no BPA or toxicity. PubMed Central, Figure 3: Environ Health Perspect. 2011 July 1; 119(7): 989 But the article goes on to say that some of the manufacturing materials could have EA (estrogenic activity) in them. However PP can be produced entirely friendly and it does not cost a penny more.
Polymers that can be made EA free have a similar cost compared with polymers made from monomers that have EA. For example, currently, clarified PP having no additives that exhibit EA (even when stressed) that is suitable for molding bottles costs approximately $1.20/lb. PP resins containing additives that have EA also cost about $1.20/lb
So your article is just confirmation, we don't have any need of e-liquid melt-able clearomizers. Nor is there any cost benefit to them
You are Preaching to the Crowd when it comes to Polycarbonate with me.
I watched the entire Train Wreck that was the early CE2 Clearomizer. It was the First Clearo. And it came out with a Polycarbonate shell/body.
It is Nice to have a perfectly Clear Shell on a Tank or a Clearo verses a Frosty one. But at what Cost?
If that cost is that Chemical Leaching may be occurring due to the choice of shell material, then the design has Violated the Fundamental Rule of Form Follows Function.
Unfortunately, the average user of a Tank or a Clearo has Little or No Knowledge/Concern about things like Bisphenol or Plasticizers. They just want what Looks Good and gives a Good Hit.
Perhaps when the Regulations hit, things like Improper Materials for Tanks and Clearos can be cleaned up. I hate to see OEM's take action only when forced. But some things Never Change.
BTW - Price isn't the Only consideration when a material is chosen for a Given Application.
And example of this is Cutting/Forming Threads needed to screw on a Drip Tip to a Clearo. Or to Screw on the Shell of a Tank to the Tank Body.
In this case, a Polycarbonate is a perfectly Acceptable candidate. Very fine threads with Small thread heights Isn't a big deal. Whereas those same thread in a Polypropylene is Impossible to manufacture.
Not saying that this Justifies why a OEM or Bootlegger would chose a Potentially Hazardous material instead of Redesigning their product. Just saying that their are reason besides cost that go into a Manufacturing Design/Production cycle besides just cost of material.
Why?
All Food or Drink metal containers have a sprayed in Resin Coating. So the product isn't in contact with Bare Metal.
Are you saying that the Plastic on the Inside of a Can is not as good as the Plastic your Water or Soda comes in?
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