Questionnaire to help new members decide on the best starter kit/pv for them.

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I agree with a lot that has been said. I spend a lot of time in the New Members forum trying to help new people out. I really try to speak to them in laymen's terms. Most people have no idea what a cartomizer, clearomizer, or atomizer is. I usually say juice heating device or juice heating coil; perhaps even that goes over their heads.

I did make a picture dictionary of the more popular juice delivery devices that I link to often:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rto-tank-what-juice-delivery-attachments.html
and even included it in one of my blog entries, but then realized that new forum members are not able to read blog posts until so many posts, which is a PITA forcing me to find the original post.

I try to add a lot of images when explaining devices, comparing sizes, showing what a device that I am explaining looks like, etc. This really helps new people figure things out. For instance, size comparisons between an analogue, cig-sized battereis, and eGo sized batteries. Or how the different mah eGo batteries differ in size and how much battery time one can expect from each size.

Smokeless Image battery size comparisons.jpgx2battery.jpg

I find that entirely new people don't have a clue about what they want. They expect a device to be the same size and appearance of a cigarette and to be able to taste like a cigarette. They don't realize that those batteries will only work for 3-4 hours and that they will need to carry several to last out the day. They don't realize that the flavor cartridges are incredibly overpriced and won't last the amount of time a pack of cigarettes did. So now we are discussing expectations vs realistic applications.

New people are also put off by the high cost of getting into vaping. That is understandable, but I always ask them: How much did smoking cigarettes cost you each month. A typical pack a day habit generally costs $150 a month. Put that money towards your first vaping gear and juice. After the gear, recurring costs will be much less as you are only replenishing juice and disposables. One can actually save money by vaping. (Unless it becomes a hobby :D )

Basically, when it all comes down to it, vaping is nothing like smoking cigarettes. It doesn't really look like an analogue, isn't as simple to use as a cigarette, won't last as long as a pack of cigarettes. and most certainly won't taste like one.

New people need to learn this right off the bat. There is a major trade off when making the switch from smoking to vaping. BUT IF WILLING TO GIVE IT A CHANCE, AND KNOWING THE ABOVE FACTS GOING IN, VAPING WILL HELP MOST PEOPLE TO QUIT SMOKING.
 
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I agree with a lot that has been said. I spend a lot of time in the New Members forum trying to help new people out. I really try to speak to them in laymen's terms. Most people have no idea what a cartomizer, clearomizer, or atomizer is. I usually say juice heating device or juice heating coil; perhaps even that goes over their heads. I did make a picture dictionary of the more popular juice delivery devices that I link to often: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3230-proper-terminology-carto-tank-what-juice-delivery-attachments.html and even included it in one of my blog entries, but then realized that new forum members are not able to read blog posts until so many posts, which is a PITA forcing me to find the original post.

I find that entirely new people don't have a clue about what they want. They expect a device to be the same size and appearance of a cigarette and to be able to taste like a cigarette. They don't realize that those batteries will only work for 3-4 hours and that they will need to carry several to last out the day. They don't realize that the flavor cartridges are incredibly overpriced and won't last the amount of time a pack of cigarettes did.

Basically, when it all comes down to it, vaping is nothing like smoking cigarettes. It doesn't really look like an analogue, isn't as simple to use as a cigarette, won't last as long as a pack of cigarettes. and most certainly won't taste like one.

New people need to learn this right off the bat. There is a major trade off when making the switch from smoking to vaping. BUT IF WILLING TO GIVE IT A CHANCE, AND KNOWING THE ABOVE FACTS GOING IN, VAPING WILL ALLOW MOST PEOPLE TO QUIT SMOKING.

You do a great job in helping people in New Members. :thumbs:
 

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exactly baditude . personally i started vaping as a quit smoking excercise . it didnt work out for me , too much to take in with no results and i stopped.

it wasnt until after id quit smoking altogether( 3months now :D) and went back to vaping i enjoyed it so much now , i think the reasoning behind vaping was the key , first i waping as a smoking alternative . i wanted fast results and it wasnt their , my craving was still apparent and it fustrated.

but now that isnt there i can see the joy of vaping and it has become not an " alternative" but a " hobby".

your blog is great btw!
 

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How much effort do you want to put into this?

Me, I'm lazy. I'm happy topping off some cartos every day, but I don't even want to get into tanks or carto-tanks just because of the amount of effort which seems to be involved.

Also, I'm not sure how to phrase this as a question, but considering my line of work disposability is a key factor. I'm going to be perfectly happy having to buy new cartos every few weeks and new batteries every 6 - 8 months because if I lose my kit at work I'm out about $31.00, whereas if I go for a more exspensive mod like the Bolt or Provari I'm out $100's and that's unacceptable to me.

Though now that I think about it, that's probably covered under the initial investment.
 

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How much effort do you want to put into this?

Me, I'm lazy. I'm happy topping off some cartos every day, but I don't even want to get into tanks or carto-tanks just because of the amount of effort which seems to be involved.

Actually, carto tanks can decrease the amount of effort. I'm a huge proponent of KISS. I like easy, too.

Instead of topping off a carto a few times a day, you could have a few tanks set up that could last you up to a week with no maintance required at all. Tired of a flavor, just unscrew the tank and screw on another one. It takes me one minute to refill a tank, 4 minutes tops to start a new cartotank.

But whatever works for you is great.
 

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heres a question , im using a vivi nova , thats a cartotank right. i love it , changing the head for different ohms ect for a higher votage or a lower depending on what suits which flavour.


a lot of people seem to think its a good beginner tank because of this. where would i go next from this is i have concluded carto-tanks are definately for me ?
 

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Actually, carto tanks can decrease the amount of effort. I'm a huge proponent of KISS. I like easy, too.

Instead of topping off a carto a few times a day, you could have a few tanks set up that could last you up to a week with no maintance required at all. Tired of a flavor, just unscrew the tank and screw on another one. It takes me one minute to refill a tank, 4 minutes tops to start a new cartotank.

But whatever works for you is great.

Like I said, I haven't tried them yet. I may have to give that 6 mil tank from V4L another look, but that'll be a few months down the road.
 

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heres a question , im using a vivi nova , thats a cartotank right. i love it , changing the head for different ohms ect for a higher votage or a lower depending on what suits which flavour.


a lot of people seem to think its a good beginner tank because of this. where would i go next from this is i have concluded carto-tanks are definately for me ?

Actually a Vivi Nova is a hybrid between a true carto tank and a clearomizer.

I recommend Pyrex tanks which can be found at Valley View Vapes, IBTanked and Phiniac. Then your going to need some pre-punched cartos or a regular cartos and a carto punch. Just starting out I recommend the pre-punched as theyre easier to use and more consistent.

Smoktek.com and Ikenvape.com both have great cartos at a nice price.
 

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heres a question , im using a vivi nova , thats a cartotank right. i love it , changing the head for different ohms ect for a higher votage or a lower depending on what suits which flavour.

a lot of people seem to think its a good beginner tank because of this. where would i go next from this is i have concluded carto-tanks are definately for me ?
The Vivi Nova is not a cartotank because there is no cartomizer involved. It is considered an atomizer or clearomizer tank, as that is the heating element used. These are liked by beginners and experienced alike because of the easy-fill aspect of simply unscrewing the top and adding juice. Some people, such as myself, feel that this type of juice delivery system often mutes e-juice flavors, compared to other devices available. This is highly subjective, though.

The next step would be to try a cartomizer tank or carto tank. Many experienced vapors prefer cartotanks in providing better flavor. A little bit more of a learning curve than an atomizer tank, but if you purchase pre-punced or laser-drilled cartomizers, half the learning curve is removed. I have recommendations on the cartomizers to try and a high quality and economically priced cartotank in my blog. Watch the video on how to fill the cartomizer and tank, and your first experience with cartotanks will be an enjoyable experience.
 

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You can get the polypropylene and plastic tanks for a cheaper price but they arent as tough as Pyrex and you have to worry about certain juices cracking the plastic ones.

I always ask people if they prefer to drink their favorite beverage from glass or plastic. I think the flavor is truer from glass and am one of the people who can taste the plastic even when Im drinking a soda.
 

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... "juice delivery system" Makes me think Tropicana makes home deliveries.

I did, to my home! But I retired from there five years ago after 21 years in the Instrumentation/Automation dept...
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Getting back on topic, as a questionnaire developer, just go waaay back and try to remember what you were 'looking fer' as a n00b!
 

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OP has been updated with everyones advice.ive provided simple definitions as well as links to the glossary thread and Bads picture glossary as well.

Thanks again for all the positive comments and everyones input. I might the one typing and organizing but this is a group effort and you all deserve a pat on the back :)
 

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Thanks to everyone who helped with the questions we were able to help our first poster tonight and pretty quickly narrowed it down to 18650 tube mods as battery life seemed most important to them.

@ Mods any chance we could get the original post stickied?
 
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So when some-one answers this question:

3. How important is it for your electronic cigarette (also called a mod, PV or APV) to look like and feel like a cigarette to you?

And they say its very important - let's respect that.

Thats the whole point of putting this together :) As the father of a teenager sometimes you have to let people make their own mistakes even if you dont agree with em.
 
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