Questionnaire to help new members decide on the best starter kit/pv for them.

[kiwivap]

Thats the whole point of putting this together As the father of a teenager sometimes you have to let people make their own mistakes even if you dont agree with em.

They aren't always mistakes. There is no point in putting together a questionnaire, as good as it is, if the answers are going to be disregarded or put down. I smoked 40-50 cigs a day and quit with cig size pvs, which I used for at least three months quite happily. Then later I was ready for an X2, which is Ego size. No mistake on my part.
I know others who smoked like I did who use cig size pvs and are very happy with them. What works for them is not a mistake. And if that's where they start, and then they want something ego size - fine. They have backups or they can use the cig size for the form factor.

That was my point - we need to respect where people are at, and I'll add we need to respect what works for them.

 

[kiwivap]

The next step would be to try a cartomizer tank or carto tank. Many experienced vapors prefer cartotanks in providing better flavor.

It's another step, and some experienced vapers find carto tanks better. But I've seen other experienced vapers say they are sick of the fiddling with carto tanks, and they prefer vivi novas.
Some juices work better for people in one or the other. I wouldn't call either option the next step in the sense of a step up - more like a step sideways - different things to choose from depending on what works for you.

 

[zapped]

Im not arguing with you anymore or even letting you try to turn what was intended as a nice gesture and is actually something good for noobs and veterans alike into another pointless debate.

No matter what I say youre going to take the opposite side every time so lets just leave it at that and leave this thread alone PLEASE?
I put a LOT of work into this with the help of a lot of other people and the least you can have is the common courtesy to stay out of it and not ruin it for everyone else with ANOTHER petty argument that amounts to nothing at the end of the day.

Just go find someone else to debate with because Im done.

 

[Rachy_B]

Thank you for taking the time to read this post and welcome to the wonderful world of vaping ( a term commonly used to refer to inhaling vapor from an electronic cigarette) . The questionnaire below is designed to assist you in the sometimes daunting task of choosing an electronic cigarette (sometimes referred to as mod, PV or APV) that works best for you. Answering the questions below then copying and pasting them along with your answers will help us to help you make an informed decision and hopefully lead to a successful and happy experience with vaping.

Wherever possible vaping slang or jargon is defined within quotation marks and colored red for easy reference. This is by no means meant as a comprehensive glossary of terms. A very good guide can be found on these forums here Forum Glossary - ECF InfoZone. It might be helpful to keep this active in another window for easy reference when you come across a term you dont understand.

For those who are more visual another good reference can be found here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3230-proper-terminology-carto-tank-what-juice-delivery-attachments.html

Taking the time to answer these questions will:

Assist you in thinking about your wants and needs in regards to an electronic cigarette or other device.

Assist forums members in helping you select something that works for you based on your criteria.

1. How many cigarettes did you smoke or are currently smoking per day? A number is very helpful since my idea of a heavy or casual smoker could be very different from yours.

2. Did you smoke ultra lights,lights, full flavor, filter-less, roll-your-own or cigars?

3. How important is it for your electronic cigarette (also called a mod, PV or APV) to look like and feel like a cigarette to you?

3. Do you like things big, bulky and durable or do you prefer small and compact?

4. Which shape is more pleasing to you to hold: something cylindrical or a box shape?

5.How long would you like or need the batteries to last in a typical day.For some this an 8 hour shift or could be 16 or more hours depending on your lifestyle.

6. How much effort do you want to put into vaping? Do you want something that requires little effort or are you more of a tinkerer? Generally extremely active lifestyles or someone who's constantly on the go doesn't have a lot of time but the reverse could be true for you as well.

7.Do you think you would prefer tobacco, menthol, fruit and candy or dessert flavors?

8.Do you think you would like a warmer or a cooler vape? Also let us know if you have sensitivities to cold or an aversion to hot liquids.

9. What is more important to you, throat hit (that feeling of weight or tickle hitting the back of your throat when you inhale) , vapor production (the amount of vapor or steam produced by your device and/or e-liquid) or flavor(The intensity of the taste of the vapor)? Again its okay to have more than one answer but please list them in order of importance.

10.Which is more important to you, price,quality, ease of use, or reliability? Its okay to have more than one answer just list them in order of importance.

11.How much are you looking to spend on your initial purchase or upgrade?

12. Have you looked at any other accessories such as clearomizers, cartomizers, tanks, pre-filled cartidges etc and do you have any questions about how they work or what they are?

13. Would you feel more comfortable vaping (popular term used to refer to inhaling vapor from an electronic cigarette, mod, PV or APV) in public or do you prefer to do it in private?

14. Whats your favorite color?

15. Do you have any disabilities or other difficulties that might have a bearing on your choice? ex: some peoples wrists aren't strong enough to hold a big battery mod or their eyesight doesnt allow easy filling of ejuice (the liquid containing nicotine and flavoring used in electronic cigarettes, also referred to as nicquid or e-liquid)

16. Have you thought about securing backup devices in the event of failure or purchasing extra batteries?

17. Do you think you would prefer a battery that starts at 3.7 volts and gradually drops in voltage and vapor production as it drains or would you prefer the voltage to stay the same throughout the life of the battery?

I think that's at least a start, I'm sure we'll be adding more to it as more people contribute to the thread/or think of other additional questions that would be helpful.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and everyone's input is appreciated as this will hopefully help forum regulars and new people alike.

This is FABULOUS! Some of it is quite confusing- I'm not sure what a warm vape or a cool vape is, and I've no idea about voltages but I think the principle of this questionnaire is BRILLIANT! Cracking job!x

 

[kiwivap]

Im not arguing with you anymore or even letting you try to turn what was intended as a nice gesture and is actually something good for noobs and veterans alike into another pointless debate.

No matter what I say youre going to take the opposite side every time so lets just leave it at that and leave this thread alone PLEASE?
I put a LOT of work into this with the help of a lot of other people and the least you can have is the common courtesy to stay out of it and not ruin it for everyone else with ANOTHER petty argument.

I'm not making a petty argument. This is very important. I know of vapers who are very satisfied vaping the smaller ciggish size pvs. One couple that comes to mind have stayed off cigs for months using them. Its not a mistake on their part - it's been life changing. it was life changing for me too. I have said the questionnaire is good. But we need to respect the answers and go where people are at.
I think we all knowthat there is a tendency for folk to rush in and try and talk some-one out of what they want to do, but that is not always the right response. So that's what I'm talking about.

The current push by a few people to get everyone using a particular delivery system is a good example too. People have different preferences. The questionnaire allows them to express where they are at. And I'm saying when they do that, if we don't then follow through with where they are at they are going to be frustrated, and confused.

I've spent a lot of time helping new people here, and offline. I've learned that its important to listen to where they are at.
BTW, I am not just taking the opposite at all. I'm talking about things that are very important for people, and I consider them important too.

 

[KalNoodle]

I would put the "how much do you want to spend" question in colors or bold, because it's a very important question and I missed it when I was reading through the list. Otherwise, this is a GREAT idea! I spend quite a bit of time in the New Members section, and this would really help the new guys get what they need, not what everyone else thinks is a good system.

 

[zapped]

How about you create your own thread and put a couple of hours of work into it along with contributions from others and use that as your personal soap box and just leave me the hell alone? Is that clear enough for you?

Not that its any of your business but I just found out that I lost a family member last night that I was very close and I didnt come here to hear a lecture or get into a debate with you YET AGAIN.

I came here to view this thread because I needed something positive to help me pull myself together and make it through the day today and its something that Im very proud of.Thanks for trying to ruin that and for making a bad day even worse.

 

[zapped]

Im sorry Kal that wasnt directed at you, Im just in no mood for this crap today. I appreciate the positive support everyones given so far and sorry for the outburst but enough is enough.

 

[kiwivap]

How about you create your own thread and put a couple of hours of work into it along with contributions from others and use that as your personal soap box and just leave me the hell alone? Is that clear enough for you?

This isn't necessary. I have spent hours and hours of my time over several months helping people here. And others do too. There is nothing wrong in anything I've posted. I've said the questionnaire is good. I'm also saying we then need to hear the answers.

Not that its any of your business but I just found out that I lost a family member last night that I was very close and I didnt come here to hear a lecture or get into a debate with you YET AGAIN.

I'm sorry for your loss. I'm still recovering from a car accident a month ago which has caused me firstly to be unable to work, and now I'm gradually resuming my work duties. I've been in considerable pain at times over these last weeks. So we have our lives to deal with. I also come here because I enjoy vaping, enjoy discussion, and I don't mind helping new folk who are going through the same things I and many of us went through. Lets keep to discussion, not personal attacks.
I've publicly supported you personally in staying off cigs, here and here.

I'm thinking about the next step - how we respond to the questionnaire. This is a topic that has come up recently here - how we respond to people.

 

[d9mel]

How about you create your own thread and put a couple of hours of work into it along with contributions from others and use that as your personal soap box and just leave me the hell alone? Is that clear enough for you?

Not that its any of your business but I just found out that I lost a family member last night that I was very close and I didnt come here to hear a lecture or get into a debate with you YET AGAIN.

I came here to view this thread because I needed something positive to help me pull myself together and make it through the day today and its something that Im very proud of.Thanks for trying to ruin that and for making a bad day even worse.

Sorry to hear about your loss.

This is a great questionare that will help folks ask the right questions.

 

[zapped]

I'm not making a petty argument. This is very important. I know of vapers who are very satisfied vaping the smaller ciggish size pvs. One couple that comes to mind have stayed off cigs for months using them. Its not a mistake on their part - it's been life changing. it was life changing for me too. I have said the questionnaire is good. But we need to respect the answers and go where people are at.
I think we all knowthat there is a tendency for folk to rush in and try and talk some-one out of what they want to do, but that is not always the right response. So that's what I'm talking about.

The current push by a few people to get everyone using a particular delivery system is a good example too. People have different preferences. The questionnaire allows them to express where they are at. And I'm saying when they do that, if we don't then follow through with where they are at they are going to be frustrated, and confused.

I've spent a lot of time helping new people here, and offline. I've learned that its important to listen to where they are at.
BTW, I am not just taking the opposite at all. I'm talking about things that are very important for people, and I consider them important too.

Maybe thats why I took offense because Ive already said that and taken pains both in the questionnaire and here to make it clear thats the end result were looking for.

Thats the whole reason I decided to take this on to begin with and it is working.Its not going to stop everyone from posting their preference in direct opposition to what the poster wants/needs but it will help. It already has and it made a big difference when someone was asking for help with an upgrade from their current model.

Im going to go call my Mom and will be back on the forums sometime this weekend.Good luck and please keep us posted how this is working out for everyone and feel free to link the thread if you feel its needed,

 

[kiwivap]

Maybe thats why I took offense because Ive already said that and taken pains both in the questionnaire and here to make it clear thats the end result were looking for.

Thats the whole reason I decided to take this on to begin with and it is working.Its not going to stop everyone from posting their preference in direct opposition to what the poster wants/needs but it will help. It already has and it made a big difference when someone was asking for help with an upgrade from their current model.

Im going to go call my Mom and will be back on the forums sometime this weekend.Good luck and please keep us posted how this is working out for everyone and feel free to link the thread if you feel its needed,

Well then we want the same outcome. But some-one else saying it, in this instance me, isn't a bad thing. Me saying it and explaining why just reinforces it. As I said, I've publicly supported you in staying cig free. So your reaction did seem unusual - but I do appreciate that today has been a difficult day for you.

If the questionnaire alleviates some of the confusion people have it will be great.

 

[TheDarthVap3r]

Thank you for taking the time to read this post and welcome to the wonderful world of vaping ( a term commonly used to refer to inhaling vapor from an electronic cigarette) . The questionnaire below is designed to assist you in the sometimes daunting task of choosing an electronic cigarette (sometimes referred to as mod, PV or APV) that works best for you. Answering the questions below then copying and pasting them along with your answers will help us to help you make an informed decision and hopefully lead to a successful and happy experience with vaping.

Wherever possible vaping slang or jargon is defined within quotation marks and colored red for easy reference. This is by no means meant as a comprehensive glossary of terms. A very good guide can be found on these forums here Forum Glossary - ECF InfoZone. It might be helpful to keep this active in another window for easy reference when you come across a term you dont understand.

For those who are more visual another good reference can be found here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3230-proper-terminology-carto-tank-what-juice-delivery-attachments.html

Taking the time to answer these questions will:

Assist you in thinking about your wants and needs in regards to an electronic cigarette or other device.

Assist forums members in helping you select something that works for you based on your criteria.

1. How many cigarettes did you smoke or are currently smoking per day? A number is very helpful since my idea of a heavy or casual smoker could be very different from yours.

2. Did you smoke ultra lights,lights, full flavor, filter-less, roll-your-own or cigars?

3. How important is it for your electronic cigarette (also called a mod, PV or APV) to look like and feel like a cigarette to you?

3. Do you like things big, bulky and durable or do you prefer small and compact?

4. Which shape is more pleasing to you to hold: something cylindrical or a box shape?

5.How long would you like or need the batteries to last in a typical day.For some this an 8 hour shift or could be 16 or more hours depending on your lifestyle.

6. How much effort do you want to put into vaping? Do you want something that requires little effort or are you more of a tinkerer? Generally extremely active lifestyles or someone who's constantly on the go doesn't have a lot of time but the reverse could be true for you as well.

7.Do you think you would prefer tobacco, menthol, fruit and candy or dessert flavors?

8.Do you think you would like a warmer or a cooler vape? (A warm vape uses higher voltage or lower resistances to make the vapor warmer in your mouth while a cool vape works just the opposite) Also let us know if you have sensitivities to cold or an aversion to hot liquids.

9. What is more important to you, throat hit (that feeling of weight or tickle hitting the back of your throat when you inhale) , vapor production (the amount of vapor or steam produced by your device and/or e-liquid) or flavor(The intensity of the taste of the vapor)? Again its okay to have more than one answer but please list them in order of importance.

10.Which is more important to you, price,quality, ease of use, or reliability? Its okay to have more than one answer just list them in order of importance.

11.How much are you looking to spend on your initial purchase or upgrade?

12. Have you looked at any other accessories such as clearomizers, cartomizers, tanks, pre-filled cartidges etc and do you have any questions about how they work or what they are?

13. Would you feel more comfortable vaping (popular term used to refer to inhaling vapor from an electronic cigarette, mod, PV or APV) in public or do you prefer to do it in private?

14. Whats your favorite color?

15. Do you have any disabilities or other difficulties that might have a bearing on your choice? ex: some peoples wrists aren't strong enough to hold a big battery mod or their eyesight doesnt allow easy filling of ejuice (the liquid containing nicotine and flavoring used in electronic cigarettes, also referred to as nicquid or e-liquid)

16. Have you thought about securing backup devices in the event of failure or purchasing extra batteries?

17. Do you think you would prefer a battery that starts at 3.7 volts and gradually drops in voltage and vapor production as it drains or would you prefer the voltage to stay the same throughout the life of the battery?

I think that's at least a start, I'm sure we'll be adding more to it as more people contribute to the thread/or think of other additional questions that would be helpful.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and everyone's input is appreciated as this will hopefully help forum regulars and new people alike.

i like the new additions , would i be able to make 1 suggestion? how abut posting this completed article in a new thread and ask new members to fill it out and post the responses so that other members can then give feedback on their responses to the questionaire.

if you like you could pm me with the questionaire and i could fill it out and see if you feel it works ?

on a personal note , although i do not know you either porsonally or on here i am sorry to hear of your loss. its something we all go through at one point of another and although its never easy to deal with and nothing anyone says can change that , just know that at the very least you have our condolences .

 

[sawlight]

Sorry for your lose zapped!
Kiwi, your concerns are the EXACT reason this was done! It's an attempt to get the new members to really think about their needs, respond to the questionare, then other members can provide suggestions that HOPEFULLY respect what the OP wanted. Some will, some wont, but this is a point in the right direction.

 

[kiwivap]

Sorry for your lose zapped!
Kiwi, your concerns are the EXACT reason this was done! It's an attempt to get the new members to really think about their needs, respond to the questionare, then other members can provide suggestions that HOPEFULLY respect what the OP wanted. Some will, some wont, but this is a point in the right direction.

I agree sawlight. It would be so helpful if at the very least when people basically ask the forum to pick their next pv they could say how much they want to spend. That alone would help narrow it down. If they can answer a questionnaire it would be better.
And yes, hopefully we can all respect the answers. I hope you aren't taking a tone with me. It can be hard to tell on the internet sometimes.
I still think of the thread where a guy said he had a medical condition and vaping was dehydrating him. He said he was drinking so much water that if he drank anymore he'd have to move into the bathroom. He was asking if using vv might be the problem. He got a pile of responses saying "drink more water".

 

[kiwivap]

Here are some thoughts/suggestions:

1. The questionnaire could be stickied. Some new members will find it. A lot won't, just like they don't find the other new members information.
2. There could be a thread with the questionnaire that new members could respond to. Difficult logistically as the thread would become a jumble of people's answers and responses to different people at the same time.
3. We could point them to it - either stickied or in a thread, and ask them to post their answers in the thread they started. Then they'll get responses to it.
3. We can bookmark the questionnaire and post it ourselves as a response to new members. That way they can answer it in the the thread they started, and get responses.

 

[Baditude]

heres a question , im using a vivi nova , thats a cartotank right. i love it , changing the head for different ohms ect for a higher votage or a lower depending on what suits which flavour.

a lot of people seem to think its a good beginner tank because of this. where would i go next from this is i have concluded carto-tanks are definately for me ?

The Vivi Nova is not a cartotank because there is no cartomizer involved. It is considered an atomizer or clearomizer tank, as that is the heating element used. These are liked by beginners and experienced alike because of the easy-fill aspect of simply unscrewing the top and adding juice. Some people, such as myself, feel that this type of juice delivery system often mutes e-juice flavors, compared to other devices available. This is highly subjective, though.

The next step would be to try a cartomizer tank or carto tank. Many experienced vapors prefer cartotanks in providing better flavor. A little bit more of a learning curve than an atomizer tank, but if you purchase pre-punced or laser-drilled cartomizers, half the learning curve is removed. I have recommendations on the cartomizers to try and a high quality and economically priced cartotank in my blog. Watch the video on how to fill the cartomizer and tank, and your first experience with cartotanks will be an enjoyable experience.

It's another step, and some experienced vapers find carto tanks better. But I've seen other experienced vapers say they are sick of the fiddling with carto tanks, and they prefer vivi novas.
Some juices work better for people in one or the other. I wouldn't call either option the next step in the sense of a step up - more like a step sideways - different things to choose from depending on what works for you.

This poster already said he was using a vivi nova and was asking about trying cartotanks as a next step. He was confused about the difference between a carto and clearo tank. Since he had already been using the clearo tank and was curious about a carto tank, a cartotank seems like a logical next step.

I didn't understand your comment, Kiwi, or even why you had to say what you did other than to be petty. I mean really, what did your comment have to add to what I had said other than to be critical of my opinion and honest attempt to help someone who asked for my help?

 

[kiwivap]

This poster already said he was using a vivi nova and and was asking about trying cartotanks as a next step

As you quoted me, "It's another step". And?
Edit: You've edited your post since I responded. I was discussing it. There have been some debates over which is better, and frankly neither is. Some prefer one and some prefer another. He said he loves using the vivi - so another step may be just as good, or not. Nothing there that disagreed with your own comment that its subjective. I just continued with that train.

You added some big chunks to your post above that weren't there when I first responded, and then the server went down before I finished replying. I really don'y see why you think my response would be petty. You said yourself your opinion on vivi novas was highly subjective.

Some people, such as myself, feel that this type of juice delivery system often mutes e-juice flavors, compared to other devices available. This is highly subjective, though.

You went on to say what some experienced vapers prefer in your view. I don't see why you'd have an issue with some-one treating the subject even-handedly and saying this:

It's another step, and some experienced vapers find carto tanks better. But I've seen other experienced vapers say they are sick of the fiddling with carto tanks, and they prefer vivi novas.
Some juices work better for people in one or the other. I wouldn't call either option the next step in the sense of a step up - more like a step sideways - different things to choose from depending on what works for you.

If your view of one system was highly subjective, then I can't see why some-one who sees both systems as viable for people and being about what they prefer being petty or critical.

I think you're piling on a bit with your buddy here though.

 

[Baditude]

I'm on a computer at work and it is acting up....I'll deal with this later.

 

[zapped]

I understand your frustration Bad.

Kiwi Im not trying to be rude but I dont know any other way to say this.You REALLY need to read the entire post and make sure you comprehend it before replying to someone.

This isnt the first time that youve focused on a sentence or a part of a sentence and ended up taking it completely out of context to whats actually being said.

I dont know if English isnt your second language, if youre just doing this to argue, if theres a reading comprehension issue or you're just skimming but frustrating is an understatement.