Random DIY mixing and More

[Skeebo]

Here's Ty from Stixx Mixx. Around the 57:00 mark they talk about steeping. Ty says they are pre-steeped and can be used immediately. He seems like a cool dude.

He means the extracts themselves can be used immediately to mix with lol. Everyone had questions in that regard due to NETs themselves being a different animal when compared to flavors we buy for DIY.

But you can of course do what you want, I just know you are not getting the full flavor profile of a true NET off the shake.

 

[Redbird11]

First of all the nic is a solution not a suspension, so that once it is mixed, it stays mixed. No need to shake. The last drop has the same amount of nic as the first. Secondly, shaking, even before unsealing introduces air bubbles into the solution, increasing the chance of oxidation. Even an unsealed bottled has an air gap at the top. I never shake my nic.

Thank's for your input. I'm not super knowledgeable about the science stuff. So, just to clarify, I have a liter of 100mg PG nicotine. I transfer it into 4 glass bottles. If I don't shake it, each of those smaller bottles will still have the same 100mg strength?

 

[*RJ*]

He means the extracts themselves can be used immediately to mix with lol. Everyone had questions in that regard due to NETs themselves being a different animal when compared to flavors we buy for DIY.

But you can of course do what you want, I just know you are not getting the full flavor profile of a true NET off the shake.

He talks about his NETS are different than other NETS in the video. I am a non-steeper anyway. They have been in the basement for months. It's fine. This 50 ml bottle will steep as I won't be using it all up within a week.

 

[FranC]

Thank's for your input. I'm not super knowledgeable about the science stuff. So, just to clarify, I have a liter of 100mg PG nicotine. I transfer it into 4 glass bottles. If I don't shake it, each of those smaller bottles will still have the same 100mg strength?

Yes.

 

[dennism]

Did we miss your birthday? We did didn't we? I can't remember. If so...Happy Birthday @rosesense

Thank You!

 

[dennism]

@dennism !!!


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Thank You!

 

[Territoo]

Thank's for your input. I'm not super knowledgeable about the science stuff. So, just to clarify, I have a liter of 100mg PG nicotine. I transfer it into 4 glass bottles. If I don't shake it, each of those smaller bottles will still have the same 100mg strength?

Yes. It's like putting a cup of sugar into a pitcher of tea and mixing well. Each glass of tea poured from the pitcher will be equally sweet.

 

[Redbird11]

Yes. It's like putting a cup of sugar into a pitcher of tea and mixing well. Each glass of tea poured from the pitcher will be equally sweet.

That is good to know. I just didn't want to have a situation where I had really unexpectedly strong nic when mixing. Thank you for explaining it. I'm not sure where I read that you always need to shake your nic.

 

[barkfunklerbunk]

Well, dangit.. i guess I should have informed myself better with my nic. Oh well

 

[*RJ*]

I just asked Heartlandvapes for their opinion. To shake or not to shake. I'll let you know what they say. I can't remember if I shake it or not. I don't think I do. I think I do turn the bottle upside down a few times though to like "stir". But I do shake my working bottle. I shake everything...my flavors, my working nic, my mixed bottle. I'm a big shaker. But I don't think I aggressively shake my nic before freezing. This is a very interesting conversation. Hopefully they'll let me know soon.

 

[Territoo]

That is good to know. I just didn't want to have a situation where I had really unexpectedly strong nic when mixing. Thank you for explaining it. I'm not sure where I read that you always need to shake your nic.

You are welcome.

 

[440BB]

I recall Kurt the resident chemist explaining that oxidation stops when the oxygen in the bottle headspace is consumed in the process of oxidation. On that basis I've been comfortable shaking a vendor sealed bottle that's been stored for some time without concern of further oxidation. If a recently received bottle is involved I wouldn't see a need to further shake it and there may still be some free oxygen remaining as well.

I'm in the minority though, as I keep my nic concentrate in the vendor HDPE bottle in the freezer for the first year or two in order to conserve space. I justify it to myself on the thinking that freezing temperatures reduce chemical activity so potential leaching is minimized. So far so good but that's just what works for me.

 

[Zazie]

Happiest of b'days, @dennism. Until next year's, anyway.

 

[*RJ*]

Ty from Heartlandvapes said this:

"Shake it well before opening the bottle and dispensing to smaller containers and putting in the freezer."

 

[Zazie]

@dennism , we Virgo's rule!!

I think I remember finding out last year that there are a lot of us here.

 

[*RJ*]

I recall Kurt the resident chemist explaining that oxidation stops when the oxygen in the bottle headspace is consumed in the process of oxidation. On that basis I've been comfortable shaking a vendor sealed bottle that's been stored for some time without concern of further oxidation. If a recently received bottle is involved I wouldn't see a need to further shake it and there may still be some free oxygen remaining as well.

I'm in the minority though, as I keep my nic concentrate in the vendor HDPE bottle in the freezer for the first year or two in order to conserve space. I justify it to myself on the thinking that freezing temperatures reduce chemical activity so potential leaching is minimized. So far so good but that's just what works for me.

I've got two liters still in the vendor bottle. It really does take up less space in the freezer. I will be bottling it one day soon though to take to Mom's freezer. I used some the other day and it was fine after about 9 months.

 

[Zazie]

I have a question for all of you esteemed DIYers. In the next couple of days, I will be bottling up all my nic. Is it recommended that I shake my liters of nic up before pouring them into the glass bottles? I seem to remember seeing that advice on here before, but can't remember for sure.

There are two schools of thought: shake to even out hot spots; don't shake because it promotes oxidization. I guess the upshot is, do what you want. Me, I shook.

 

[Zazie]

I never really thought much about how shaking would add more oxygen to the process. That is something to consider. I guess, I figured that since I would shake it up before I unsealed the nic, that it wouldn't be an issue.

You're going to be introducing oxygen into it when you transfer it, regardless.

 

[Zazie]

First of all the nic is a solution not a suspension, so that once it is mixed, it stays mixed. No need to shake. The last drop has the same amount of nic as the first. Secondly, shaking, even before unsealing introduces air bubbles into the solution, increasing the chance of oxidation. Even an unsealed bottled has an air gap at the top. I never shake my nic.

Ooh, that sounds authoritative! I'd go with this advice and ignore me.

Not now me; earlier me.

 

[FranC]

To shake or not to shake.......LOL

I'm on the no shake side.