Random DIY mixing and More

[Heartsdelight]

@FranC i had to have a peek at the cheesecake with the mascarpone in it. The curiosity was killing me and even though it’s only been 2 days I cheated and snuck a few mls in an rda.

Oh my god! Whatever I was vaping before posing as cheesecake has been thrown away! This tastes incredible! I can’t imagine how good it’ll be after a few weeks of steeping.

There is such a delicious tangy cheese taste especially on the exhale. I’ve never tasted anything like it. Now mind you I have no idea what mascarpone tastes like in real life but this is delicious!!

If anyone wants a fantastic cheesecake they have to try adding this to it!!

Can you post the Cheesecake Base recipe with the Mascarpone? Thanks!

Edit: never mind you did already

 

[Punk In Drublic]

@Punk In Drublic - Maybe it's the Vanillin that's in many flavorings that gives you the "peppery" sensation. I pulled up the component list for TFA's Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (since VBIC was mentioned as a problem flavoring) and read the descriptions/notes on the ingredients. You didn't mention a brand, but TFA's website shows the component breakdown, so I checked it.

For the Vanillin it says: "vanilla, vanillin, sweet, creamy, spicy, phenolic and milky". Maybe the "spicy" is what's "peppery" to you? There's a HUGE list of their flavorings that also contain Vanillin.

Guess that is possible. Own TFA Vanillin that I just gave a smell and drip taste, tastes sweet to me. Don’t know if the drip sample quantifies how it will taste when mixed or not. And obviously that is vanillin on its own, and not used to create a different flavour like vanilla.

Just going through some of my notes, seems CAP Sweet Cream, Vanilla Custard V2, FA Catalan Cream and TFA Bavarian Cream are the common flavours out of the mixed I have noted as to having a bitter or pepper taste. Will have to investigate further.

 

[Heartsdelight]

Mixed up Chefsflavours Tarte Au Citron at the suggested 20% as a reviewer used as a SnV I tried some & it’s delicious! It’s a bright lemon with a bit of pastry. It definitely taste like a commercial juice as it is sweet but very tasty. I’m enjoying it.

 

[PJReid]

Probably tried about 100 to 150 different commercial mixes with only a handful that I actually like. Not all taste bitter/peppery, many are sour as well where it should not be sour at all.

I seem to gravitate toward lemon and very sweet juices along with tobacco that does not have a cream, custard or vanilla as one of its primary flavours. Tried a few fruit flavours but as mentioned, many taste very chemical to me. Flavoured cough syrup like.

@PJReid – thanks for the tip, must have missed that post from @NotSoMini. Guess without knowing the actual ingredients within these flavours everything becomes somewhat of a gamble. Are there any companies that note Butyric Acid is not being used?

Figuring out what is in a flavor is tricky business. FA and TFA are pretty transparent with their ingredients lists. You can find the info on TFA's ingredients on their Italian website. There are people who have made getting this info into a major research project and some have been successful. Reddit is a pretty good source but you will have to dig for the information. FA will tell you if you ask them. Others are more secretive from what I understand.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[JCinFLA]

You can find the info on TFA's ingredients on their Italian website.

I found TFA's ingredients lists on their US website here:

Perfumer's Apprentice

 

[JCinFLA]

Just going through some of my notes, seems CAP Sweet Cream, Vanilla Custard V2, FA Catalan Cream and TFA Bavarian Cream are the common flavours out of the mixed I have noted as to having a bitter or pepper taste.

The TFA Bavarian Cream also has Vanillin. Here's a link to the list of all their flavorings that contain it.

Perfumer's Apprentice

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Interesting. Seems all my TFA flavours with the exception of Key Lime contains Vanillin. But I don’t find them all to be bitter or peppery. But like I mentioned, not all cream flavours result in bitter or peppery taste either. Guess I got my work cut out for me. Thx for that link.

@rosesense – given our similarities in sensitivities, I suspect you and I will be swappin’ a lot of tips and recipes. Welcome to the “supertaster” club!

 

[NotSoMini]

@Punk In Drublic — The only flavor manufacturer that I am aware of that publishes the compounds in their flavors is TFA and this is generally stated in a percent range. Even at that I use it as a guideline and not as gospel as I cannot image a manufacturer posting all the compounds for a particular flavor due to competitive reasons. I have read that even though a manufacturer does not include certain chemicals in their flavor, the flavor itself can develop it on its own. For myself I have an issue with certain ingredients causing muting such as Ethyl Maltol, Maltol, etc., etc. so I cannot use many of the TFA flavors for this reason along with other manufacturers.

FYI — when you first mentioned you were going to mix Da Momma’s RY4 Delight, I did not say anything because I did not want to discourage you plus the taste is subjective thing. I did not care for this recipe myself. It was the custard in this recipe that turned me off not to say I do not find custard to be a natural ingredient in tobaccos. When was the last time you purchased an analog that had custard it in? With premixes and DIY, mixers can use whatever flavors they want to.

 

[JCinFLA]

Actually...here's the exact page on their website to check the specs and components of every TFA flavoring. Just find the flavoring you want to check and click on "list" out beside it.

https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/specsheetlist.aspx

 

[JCinFLA]

Deleted double post...didn't show it posted at first.

 

[NotSoMini]

@Punk In Drublic - If you look at the TFA website and as an example look at DX Sweet Cream. Take a look at the description and see what is reminds you of: Acidic sour, cheesy, dairy, creamy with a fruity nuance. You will see that it lists it as butanoic acid as one of the compounds. If you click on it it takes you to butyric acid.

 

[JCinFLA]

But...the TFA Bavarian Cream and the VBIC that he's said are bitter/peppery...don't contain the butyric acid. Here's a list of the TFA flavorings that DO contain it:

Perfumer's Apprentice

 

[FranC]

You're talking about this one, right?

Cap NY Cheesecake 4%
Cap Graham Cracker 1 1/2%
Mascarpone 1% (or a bit more)

Yes

 

[Punk In Drublic]

But...the TFA Bavarian Cream and the VBIC that he's said are bitter/peppery...don't contain the butyric acid. Here's a list of the TFA flavorings that DO contain it:

Perfumer's Apprentice

Funny – they mentioned Strawberry’s and Cream as having butyric acid. That is a cream flavour that I have confirmed does not taste bitter. Vaping it right now!

@NotSoMini – I am open to the RY4 Delight not being to my liking. Yes, custard with tobacco is a bit strange. But the flavour I am getting from it is a strong bitter, peppery taste. And in the defence of the RY4 Delight, I get the exact flavour from many commercial and a few of my DIY mixes. The common denominator from all, at least the DIY, is creams and or custards. With the commercial juices I have no idea what is being used but they usually have cream or custard in their description.

 

[FranC]

Question: If a recipe is created to produce a finished juice of, say, 3mgs/ml nic, do the flavor percentages need to be adjusted if one is looking for 10mgs/ml? If so, in what direction?

No. You just up the nic.

 

[JCinFLA]

Funny – they mentioned Strawberry’s and Cream as having butyric acid. That is a cream flavour that I have confirmed does not taste bitter. Vaping it right now!

I personally don't think your taste problem is caused by butyric acid. The TFA Bavarian Cream and Vanilla Bean Ice Cream do taste bitter/peppery to you...but they don't have it. And yet the Strawberries and Cream that does have it...doesn't taste bitter/peppery to you.

 

[TylerA]

The WF Hazelnuts and Cream came today ... it smells delicious, I can't wait to try it - thanks to everyone that made that suggestion.

I have FLV Cream, and FA Fresh Cream coming soon and I'm curious which of those and at what percentages you guys would use those in a fruity/berry mix to smooth the flavor.

 

[JCinFLA]

The WF Hazelnuts and Cream came today ... it smells delicious, I can't wait to try it - thanks to everyone that made that suggestion.

I hope you like it! It's a shake and vape, too, by the way!

 

[FranC]

The WF Hazelnuts and Cream came today ... it smells delicious, I can't wait to try it - thanks to everyone that made that suggestion.

I have FLV Cream, and FA Fresh Cream coming soon and I'm curious which of those and at what percentages you guys would use those in a fruity/berry mix to smooth the flavor.

I'd use the Fa Fresh Cream at 1%.

 

[dc99]

The WF Hazelnuts and Cream came today ... it smells delicious, I can't wait to try it - thanks to everyone that made that suggestion.

I have FLV Cream, and FA Fresh Cream coming soon and I'm curious which of those and at what percentages you guys would use those in a fruity/berry mix to smooth the flavor.

FLV cream at .5-1%. Id start at .5. FA is a really heavy dense cream. Sometimes to dense if that makes sense. I prefer to use it with other creams as a base instead of just adding to something like fruit alone