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[rosesense]

@Punk In Drublic

I found this info on DIYorDie about 'peppery" notes. Don't know if it helps but the search continues.I wouldn't describe my problem as pepper but it is definitely in every VBIC I have ever tried.

I am in process of mixing a ton of sft's of the flavors I have. Although, I threw out most of the ice cream and vanilla ones.

I think @NotSoMini may have hit on my problem with the butaonic acid.

Ice Cream Stone
BRAND FLAVORING % MIXED % MADE
TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 4% 80%
HS French Vanilla Ice Cream 1% 20%
BRAND FLAVORING % MIXED % MADE
HS French Vanilla Ice Cream 2% 40%
FW Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 3% 60%
So here there are two recipes. The “alt” version for those who can’t enjoy TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream due to the “pepper” effect. That said, the alt version does not skimp on flavor at all, so both versions are completely compatible. Mainly, we’re using the flavor from TFA or FW’s Ice Cream, which is sweet, vanilla being present, and light, and adding some extra richness from the HS French Vanilla Ice Cream.

 

[TylerA]

Looks like more testing for the creams is in my future lol

I forgot to ask what percentage you guys would mix the WF Hazelnuts and Cream as a single flavor ... thanks again

 

[Punk In Drublic]

I personally don't think your taste problem is caused by butyric acid. The TFA Bavarian Cream and Vanilla Bean Ice Cream do taste bitter/peppery to you...but they don't have it. And yet the Strawberries and Cream that does have it...doesn't taste bitter/peppery to you.

IDK. The TFA Bavarian Cream is used in many of the mixes I found to be bitter and peppery, but I have also used it in other mixes that came out pretty good. I’ll have to try the creams, custards and vanillas on their own to see which one(s) are the culprit. Or what are the chances of 2 or more flavours being mixed together resulting in what I am experiencing? Grasping here!

@rosesense – good find. I’m pretty sure I have looked at DIY or Die for an answer, I know I reference that site and his videos quite a lot - maybe I overlooked that recipe in search of an article strictly on bitterness. Perhaps we are experiencing the same thing but are just describing it differently. I don’t own any TFA VBIC, think your brought that up? But much noted. Thx!

 

[FranC]

Looks like more testing for the creams is in my future lol

I forgot to ask what percentage you guys would mix the WF Hazelnuts and Cream as a single flavor ... thanks again

I'd do 5-6% for a single flavor.

 

[FranC]

I think it took me a couple hours to warm up after the frigid little shopping trip this morning but I did get my 2 sft's mixed. The Cranberry and Rhubarb.

Now I need to write down the other new flavors and look up mixing %

 

[NotSoMini]

But...the TFA Bavarian Cream and the VBIC that he's said are bitter/peppery...don't contain the butyric acid. Here's a list of the TFA flavorings that DO contain it:

Perfumer's Apprentice

Hummm he did ask me about BA and both my posting related to that.

Even though I was not responding as it relates to the peppery bitter taste, there is no rule that I am aware of that someone cannot respond for the person tagged or is there. Many people here have responded on my behalf and I appreciate it as I am offline more than I am on.

 

[NotSoMini]

I think it took me a couple hours to warm up after the frigid little shopping trip this morning but I did get my 2 sft's mixed. The Cranberry and Rhubarb.

Now I need to write down the other new flavors and look up mixing %

If it is the SC Cranberry, look forward to your thoughts.

 

[NotSoMini]

Funny – they mentioned Strawberry’s and Cream as having butyric acid. That is a cream flavour that I have confirmed does not taste bitter. vaping it right now!

@NotSoMini – I am open to the RY4 Delight not being to my liking. Yes, custard with tobacco is a bit strange. But the flavour I am getting from it is a strong bitter, peppery taste. And in the defence of the RY4 Delight, I get the exact flavour from many commercial and a few of my DIY mixes. The common denominator from all, at least the DIY, is creams and or custards. With the commercial juices I have no idea what is being used but they usually have cream or custard in their description.

Sometimes knowing the brand is just as important as flavor. TFA Vanilla Ice Cream always comes up as being peppery yet I do not hear that about other brands. I do not get any peppery/bitter tastes in my flavors however I use very few TFA flavors. And don’t forget taste is subjective and just because I do not taste it does not mean the next person will not.

My guess would be commercial juice makers probably use TFA, FW, etc. — the lower priced flavor manufacturers. This gives the commercial juice makers a higher profit. It is doubtful that they are using the higher cost flavors especially something like FLV and perhaps FA and the likes. This is not to say higher prices flavorings cannot taste peppery or bitter. I have nothing to back any of this up and all of this is just my SWAG and nothing more.

 

[FranC]

If it is the SC Cranberry, look forward to your thoughts.

It is and I will

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Sometimes knowing the brand is just as important as flavor. TFA Vanilla Ice Cream always comes up as being peppery yet I do not hear that about other brands. I do not get any peppery/bitter tastes in my flavors however I use very few TFA flavors. And don’t forget taste is subjective and just because I do not taste it does not mean the next person will not.

My guess would be commercial juice makers probably use TFA, FW, etc. — the lower priced flavor manufacturers. This gives the commercial juice makers a higher profit. It is doubtful that they are using the higher cost flavors especially something like FLV and perhaps FA and the likes. This is not to say higher prices flavorings cannot taste peppery or bitter. I have nothing to back any of this up and all of this is just my SWAG and nothing more.

Commercial e-juice using the cheaper flavorings is a valid observation. I brought up TFA Bavarian Cream only because it is one of the common creams that I have been using that the mix has turned out to be bitter. But as I have mentioned, I have also used this same flavour in mixes that worked out well so not sure if this is the culprit or not. Personally I think it is more than one….just no idea which ones as of yet. And open to the possibility that some are much worse than others.

Just whipped up a 50/50 no nic sample of CAP Vanilla Custard V2 at 5% which is another flavour that is common with my bitter mixes. Slight bitterness but no where near what I experienced. While I was mixing, I also did the back of the hand drip taste sample of FA Catalan Cream, which is one of the creams used in RY4 Delight – extremely peppery. Will have to confirm this with a mix

 

[PJReid]

If it is the SC Cranberry, look forward to your thoughts.

It is and I will

I LOVE the stuff!!! It does need a couple of weeks to fully develop. If either of you don't like it, I will happily take it off your hands. I have a 16oz bottle of TFA Cranberry that I don't expect to use but who knows? Yes, I got carried away when I bought that.

Flavor is such a subjective thing. It can also be genetic and that might the only reason that a flavor tastes off to an individual. Sometimes there is nothing you can pin down. Cilantro is a good example of this. To some, it tastes wonderful, to others, it tastes like soap. Researchers put it down to genes. I am in the soap camp, BTW.

 

[FranC]

I LOVE the stuff!!! It does need a couple of weeks to fully develop. If either of you don't like it, I will happily take it off your hands. I have a 16oz bottle of TFA Cranberry that I don't expect to use but who knows? Yes, I got carried away when I bought that.

Flavor is such a subjective thing. It can also be genetic and that might the only reason that a flavor tastes off to an individual. Sometimes there is nothing you can pin down. Cilantro is a good example of this. To some, it tastes wonderful, to others, it tastes like soap. Researchers put it down to genes. I am in the soap camp, BTW.

Pam,does this one hold it's tartness?

 

[PJReid]

Pam,does this one hold it's tartness?

It does to me but I have to stress that it is sweet/tart - not the tartness I would get from eating a raw fresh cranberry. I do hope you like it since I raved about it. I think our tastebuds are very different.

 

[FranC]

It does to me but I have to stress that it is sweet/tart - not the tartness I would get from eating a raw fresh cranberry. I do hope you like it since I raved about it. I think our tastebuds are very different.

Probably but I was very disappointed in the TFA as it turned quite sweet after a few days.

 

[JCinFLA]

Hummm he did ask me about BA and both my posting related to that.

Even though I was not responding as it relates to the peppery bitter taste, there is no rule that I am aware of that someone cannot respond for the person tagged or is there. Many people here have responded on my behalf and I appreciate it as I am offline more than I am on.

You definitely took my post wrong, or maybe I should've worded it differently, or just not posted at all. I in no way meant it the way it evidently came off to you. Of course you're free to post anything you want, and to whomever you want...as we all are.

My post was about how it didn't make sense to me, for butyric acid to maybe be a "culprit" for the taste he's getting...since the 2 flavorings don't contain it. It was just puzzling to me. What I said was never intended as a knock against you in any way. I'm sorry if you thought it was.

ETA: To avoid something like this again, I just won't respond to or reference your posts. That'll prevent it.

 

[dc99]

I know a lot of people get the pepper taste from TFA VBIC and some other flavors. I have read that it actually ethyl vanillan that causes this. I am by no means a chemist or Dr but it makes sense. Could just be you are sensitive to some of the molicules in it. I know a lot that cant taste strawberry. For a long time I couldnt taste FLV watermelon but for some reason I can now

 

[dc99]

OK everybody. Download this PDF. It is just FLV but there are some good recipes and notes and its free https://www.flavorah.com/wp-content/uploads/FLV-Vape-Recipe-Book-1.pdf

 

[hittman]

When I was mixing yesterday, I looked through the lists on all four of my cases at least a couple times looking for fizzy sherbet. I decided to skip it and go back at the end. I felt kinda stupid as it was plain as day on the list for the very first case I looked in.

The LMP recipe was tasting rather bland to me which got me thinking that I had run 20+ml through the tank without changing the coil. I opened it up today and holy cow it was black and gunked up. It tastes like a totally new recipe now. The lemon is much more detectable now.

 

[hittman]

OK everybody. Download this PDF. It is just FLV but there are some good recipes and notes and its free https://www.flavorah.com/wp-content/uploads/FLV-Vape-Recipe-Book-1.pdf

Got it. Thanks dc!

 

[FranC]

OK everybody. Download this PDF. It is just FLV but there are some good recipes and notes and its free https://www.flavorah.com/wp-content/uploads/FLV-Vape-Recipe-Book-1.pdf

Thanks. I bookmarked that to check out later.