Back on p. 980, I posted this to Punk in Drublic, about Vanillin:
Maybe it's the Vanillin that's in many flavorings that gives you the "peppery" sensation. I pulled up the component list for TFA's Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (since VBIC was mentioned as a problem flavoring) and read the descriptions/notes on the ingredients. You didn't mention a brand, but TFA's website shows the component breakdown, so I checked it.
For the Vanillin it says: "vanilla, vanillin, sweet, creamy, spicy, phenolic and milky". Maybe the "spicy" is what's "peppery" to you?
While the spicy part of that description wouldn't apply to the taste that bothers you, the term phenolic in it may be related to the "musty" taste. In doing a little research online, the term "phenolic" was mentioned in reference to when the aged oak barrels that wine is aged in...release vanillin from them into the wine. The newer the barrel, the less vanillin is released from them. I thought, hmmm, those barrels might be the source of the slight "musty" taste that I don't like in some wines. So I did some more digging about vanillin, and found the page linked to below, that describes how "vanillin" (both natural and synthetic) has been obtained and/or produced in the past, and in more modern times. In scanning through it, it sure seems that how it's been made could likely cause the taste that bothers you. IDK though. Maybe see what you think?
Vanillin - Wikipedia
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In the interests of full disclosure, I must inform you all that the free 30mls of NR Chocolate Cream I reported getting on April 2 is in fact Inawera Chocolate Cream. Apologies for misleading you.
In liquor making, the vanilla taste imparted to spirits aged in wooden casks is part of what's called "oakiness." I have added toasted wood to my mixtures to mimic the effect. I wouldn't use the word "musty" to describe its influence on flavor, but, hey, my tastebuds have minds of their own.
Since you're in full disclosure mode...I'll disclose that unlike many others on here, I've never done a single flavor test before using 1 in an eliquid sample test batch. I just do Bill's 100DTT (100 drop taste test) on any recipe I'm making for the first time and/or on any recipes I make up from scratch. So far, I've only made 1 eliquid that wasn't vape worthy and pleasing to my tastes. That was when I was making another 50mL batch of Key Lime Pie and forgot to shake the TFA Key Lime flavoring before using it. BLAH!!! It was the most bitter, nasty stuff I'd ever tried. It went down the porcelain throne.
So, you and Shadav won't be alone, if you don't do sft's. But you can still make perfectly tasty eliquids.
I was adventurous and bought 10mls of SC WF’s Zapote. Not sure if anyone knows what they are but they’re a tropical fruit that I was introduced to on one of my trips to Nicaragua.
My ex was originally from there and her family still lived there part other the year with the other part in key biscayne so we spent a lot of time in both places.
There’s a very short window of when they get ripe when a small area on the inside of it turns dark and a bit gooey. Its like a sweet caramel type fig texture. I’d never ever tasted anything like it before or since. It was quite exotic to me anyways.
So when I saw a zapote flavor concentrate I just had to get it! I have no idea if it’ll taste any good or anything like the little bit of heaven from Nicaragua but I’ll give it a try.
Has anyone here tried zapote in real life or the flavor concentrate?
I’m thinking that maybe paired with a cream might work nicely. I’ll have to 1st taste test though.
My ex was originally from there and her family still lived there part other the year with the other part in key biscayne so we spent a lot of time in both places.
There’s a very short window of when they get ripe when a small area on the inside of it turns dark and a bit gooey. Its like a sweet caramel type fig texture. I’d never ever tasted anything like it before or since. It was quite exotic to me anyways.
So when I saw a zapote flavor concentrate I just had to get it! I have no idea if it’ll taste any good or anything like the little bit of heaven from Nicaragua but I’ll give it a try.
Has anyone here tried zapote in real life or the flavor concentrate?
I’m thinking that maybe paired with a cream might work nicely. I’ll have to 1st taste test though.
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I get those emails too but it’s always AFTER I receive the item lol! But usually before I’ve had a chance to try it especially the flavor ones.
They actually have a booklet of that. I don’t know how to get one. I suppose contacting them and asking for one. I wouldn’t mind having a hard copy of it.
What is the difference between vanillin and ethyl vanillin?
I've been looking around and the answer I usually find is that ethyl vanillin is about 3x stronger than regular vanillin - just curious if that's the consensus here as well. I want to give a few more vanillas a try, specifically ethyl vanillin and DIYFS Holy Vanilla (some people swear by this, some people say it doesn't live up to the hype, would love to hear opinions on this too).
Also, is there a flavor out there that goes by a different name, but is solely ethyl vanillin or will I have to buy the crystals and dilute myself? If so, is there a recommended dilution ratio?
Thanks again
To be honest I don’t find Holy Vanilla lives up to its hype. It’s very good but I prefer HS vanilla.
Agreed. I took a look at that recipe yesterday saw the long list of ingredients and moved on. A great juice doesn’t need that many ingredients for me anyways.
Ohhhh I love TFA Vanilla Bourbon. Not bad on clogging if mixed at lower %.
On the sft's I check our Redditt and ELR etc for %. If I find nothing I take an educated guess. I let my sft's sit at least 7 days before I start going though them. If there's a lot it takes a few days. When I get done I let them sit another couple weeks before final try. If I have any custards,creams etc I let them sit a bit longer. I would suggest you pick out the first 6 flavors in your case for sft's and then proceed with 5-6 at a time as you feel like it til done.It's a pain but it really is important.
There is no reason at all to make it exhausting or unpleasant. Just do a few at a time.
Interested in yours thoughts. Never had one of those.
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