RANT!!!! I'm sick and tired of the "Whatever keeps you off analogs" response

[Statistic]

AttyPops.. lots and lots of well due respect to you, sir.

I just have to clarify your statement though.. knowing a coil is an SLR coil or that it measures less than one ohm is not enough information to conclude that coil is inefficient or is putting undue stress on the battery.

I'm vaping .6 - .7ohm and am only asking my batteries (AW IMR 1600mAh) to give me about 6amps. They are rated to safely provide 16amps of CONTINUOUS draw. I am a heavy vaper and they last me all the way through a work day and sometimes into the next, and I am only draining them down to 3.7v, sometimes as low as 3.6v.

Darwin will settle it. It's either a problem, or it isn't. We'll see.

I don't debate anyone's RIGHT to SLR.

I don't see a reason for deliberately making a circuit that inefficient and stressed when there's a lot of other options that work well that are higher ohms. However, to each their own. If you really feel it is so much better, just be safe and do your research and make sure your mod is well vented.

Whatever keeps you off analogs.

 

[Crash Moses]

If you think that's flying off the handle you must have a pretty peaceful life.

He doesn't get it, he admitted to it, yet feels the need to cast judgement and mock people. That's what I'm ranting about. If he wants to make a thread in the appropriate section and truly ask why people are into sub ohm vaping, I'd be happy to participate. But that thread has already been made... several times. And answered, several times. The information is out in the open available to all, he refuses to partake of this information, that's his choice. It's not my job to ram the information down his throat.

I have to agree with UncleChuck and Statistic. Rickajho's hyperbole and generalizations were far from constructive.

 

[AttyPops]

@Statistic: Well, I didn't actually say you were over amping them.

This whole thing is rather funny if you take a step back from it and think. For example, we have countless stories about battery packs in cell phones, laptops, and airplanes having fires.... yet vapers regularly push batteries quite far, and it is considered "normal".

The other funny thing is that circuit designers for most electronic stuff are used to kilo-ohm and mega-ohm resistances. lol. The SLR guys are near the boarder of the acceptable amps/ohms/watts calc and debate .25 ohms differences in safety margins as significant (and they are significant at that level because .25 is perhaps 50% of the value).

Glad you are checking the C ratings of your particular make/model battery. Glad to see that you also have sense enough to make coils that are in the range where you can vape your battery to 3.59/3.60 volts (3.7/3.6 is the normal operating range) rather than recharging at 3.75 and only using the "extra top end" of the battery facepalm.

The things that I hear from the SLR guys concern me a bit since they talk about "hot buttons" and such. That's an indication of a lot of waste in the circuit.

Also, you can use say...30 ga coils and get a fantastic vape and more battery life.

That's not to say I consider you wrong for vaping SLR. You'd be dumb to do with without research though. Sounds as if you've researched it and probably checked your mod for GOOD vents too. (I hope).

Best of luck to you.

Whatever keeps you off stinkies.

Good luck. It's very inefficient* for little gain, IMO. But...to each their own.

* = efficiency from a vaping perspective is..."how many good hits can you get per battery charge?" SLR guys burn through batteries like they are going out of style. So....

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

"Ding Darling?"

Yes. Ding Darling was a political cartoonist known for conservation. The NWR named in his honor is an absolutely beautiful mangrove reserve, but it is absolute hell to do any construction work. A company I used to work with had construction contracts with US Fish & Wildlife, and we built stuff in places it was hard to even get a bicycle into, much less a Bobcat or mini-ex.

Yes, on Sanibel Island. Kinda touristy, but not in a commercial way.


IBCR Media, I don't get to Clewiston much. Probably been 10 years?

Two years longer than that for me. But I still stay in touch with a couple of radio guys, the bartender at the Tiki (oo la la) and the now retired refuge manager from Ding.

 

[AttyPops]

...snip...I am a heavy vaper and they last me all the way through a work day and sometimes into the next, and I am only draining them down to 3.7v, sometimes as low as 3.6v.

And I'd like more data on that claim. Here's a typical battery voltage curve (this varies a bit by battery type. Also, high amps shift it down some.) Maybe you're using the whole 3.7 volt range, not recharging as soon as you see 3.7?

(Note the solid line)

The other thing that floors me about the SLR recharge claims is that, rather than "using up" the high end voltage charge then switching coils, the SLR guys recharge after using 10% to 20% of the usable/practical charge. Hardly using the sweet-spot of 3.7-3.6 volts. The 4.2-3.8ish voltage range drops off rather quickly.

Here's another example (this is not an IMR, but....):

 

[Statistic]

... The things that I hear from the SLR guys concern me a bit since they talk about "hot buttons" and such. That's an indication of a lot of waste in the circuit.

Also, you can use say...30 ga coils and get a fantastic vape and more battery life.

That's not to say I consider you wrong for vaping SLR. You'd be dumb to do with without research though. Sounds as if you've researched it and probably checked your mod for GOOD vents too. (I hope).

Best of luck to you.

Whatever keeps you off stinkies.

Good luck. It's very inefficient* for little gain, IMO. But...to each their own.

* = efficiency from a vaping perspective is..."how many good hits can you get per battery charge?" SLR guys burn through batteries like they are going out of style. So....

Atty.. come on now. "you can use say...30 ga coils and get a fantastic vape and more battery life" is a subjective statement. I cannot get anywhere near as enjoyable a vape with 30g wire as I do with my 26g wire.

And I'd like more data on that claim. Here's a typical battery voltage curve (this varies a bit by battery type. Also, high amps shift it down some.) Maybe you're using the whole 3.7 volt range, not recharging as soon as you see 3.7?

(Note the solid line)

The other thing that floors me about the SLR recharge claims is that, rather than "using up" the high end voltage charge then switching coils, the SLR guys recharge after using 10% to 20% of the usable/practical charge. Hardly using the sweet-spot of 3.7-3.6 volts. The 4.2-3.8ish voltage range drops off rather quickly.

Here's another example (this is not an IMR, but....):

I have no data compiled to back up my claim that one AW IMR 1600 lasts me all day, but it does. You'll just have to take my word on that one, or not.

1) Who says 3.6 - 3.7 is a battery's "sweet spot"? Because I'd like to say: I disagree. I can tell when my batteries dip below 3.8v by the change in flavor and density of my vape.. and this is after using them ALL DAY. 3.6 - 3.7v may be the "optimal use range" for let's say.. a flashlight. Yes, it drops off the 4.2 cliff quickly but for me the "optimal use range" of these batteries is 4.1 - 3.8v.

2) Please throw those drain charts out the window already. Nobody drians batteries in a continuous contiguous curve like that, if they are using it to send current through a coil to vaporize nicotine liquid. They draw it in short bursts. Plus.. the charts you cite are for what batteries, exactly?

I contend that my .6 - .7ohm coils are MORE efficient than the 1.8 - 2.4ohm coils I used to use and here's why: With my low res coils I take a 3-4 second drag, just like I did from a cigarrette when I smoked. My coils begin delivering warm dense smoke-imitating vapor as soon as I hit the button. When I was using higher res coils I was dragging and dragging and dragging on them to get enough vapor to quell my cigarrette smoke cravings. I found myself often vaping to the 10-second cutoff on my VAMO and having to press the button again to continue my vape. Not so anymore. Also.. let's not ignore the fact that in the voltage conversion in a regulated mod some energy is lost. Sure there is some voltage loss in a mech too but voltage loss is not unique to mechanical mods.

 

[AttyPops]

Statistic, maybe we should start a "let's discuss SLR in a friendly manner" thread. lol.

I appreciate your responses and opinion. And I do believe you, I just want more data to understand what you do...not that I doubt you.

The other funny thing is this statement:

With my low res coils I take a 3-4 second drag, just like I did from a cigarette when I smoked.

which, with variation on the 1st part, is what I used to say about 5v vaping "back in the day". We used small diameter wire for the coils (but were about 3.1 ohm stock coils).

Anyway, I don't want to get into a full discussion on the SLR phenomenon here.

 

[DrApex]

Who was the vendor who stocked taco e-juice? Has anyone tried it?

Sent from my mobile. Ignore typos please.

 

[Statistic]

If this continuous discharge test reveals any indication that 3.6v is any kind of sweet spot then I am missing it...



I vape in 3-5 second "puffs", probably 15 to 20 per session and probably 40 or 50 sessions a day (rough estimates.. I will start keeping count for a while now out of curiosity). So I am getting a full days worth of dense flavorful satisfying vaping but I am only actually draining energy from my batteries for an estimated average of ~50 to 60 minutes.

 

[Statistic]

Statistic, maybe we should start a "let's discuss SLR in a friendly manner" thread. lol.

I appreciate your responses and opinion. And I do believe you, I just want more data to understand what you do...not that I doubt you.

The other funny thing is this statement:

which, with variation on the 1st part, is what I used to say about 5v vaping "back in the day". We used small diameter wire for the coils (but were about 3.1 ohm stock coils).

Anyway, I don't want to get into a full discussion on the SLR phenomenon here.

Yes Sir. Fwiw, I did not mean to come off as being abrasive or disrespectful towards you, if I did.

You are always so kind and respectful towards others around here and I have a lot of respect for your intelligence and candor.

 

[zoiDman]

If this continuous discharge test reveals any indication that 3.6v is any kind of sweet spot then I am missing it...



...

One Question.

If I buy one of the Batteries who's output is shown in the Graph, do I have a Reasonable Guarantee that the Battery I Hold in My Hand will perform Exactly like the Battery that was Tested?

 

[AttyPops]

Intelligence and candor? "He don't know me very well....doo heee?"

You came off fine.

 

[Signal30]

Why am I always attracted to threads with the word "RANT!!!!" in the title????

 

[Statistic]

One Question.

If I buy one of the Batteries who's output is shown in the Graph, do I have a Reasonable Guarantee that the Battery I Hold in My Hand will perform Exactly like the Battery that was Tested?

Yes.. if you attach a coil to it that draws the exact same amperage from the battery as is listed in the chart and hold the button down until the battery is dead...

That is assuming that whoever made the chart knows their stuff and did the tests "correctly" and is thus reporting accurate information

These charts are little more than performance comparisons under continuous drain.

 

[zoiDman]

Why am I always attracted to threads with the word "RANT!!!!" in the title????

I think it is the Roman Gladiator thing in All of Us.

 

[zoiDman]

Yes.. if you attach a coil to it that draws the exact same amperage from the battery as is listed in the chart and hold the button down until the battery is dead...

That is assuming that whoever made the chart knows their stuff and did the tests "correctly" and is thus reporting accurate information

These charts are little more than performance comparisons under continuous drain.

OK...

So if I see a Chart on the Internet, I can Trust it to be reflective of what I buy from Any Vendor. As long as the Battery says AW IMR on it. And as long as it is Red.

 

[retired1]

I think it is the Roman Gladiator thing in All of Us.

I read 'em for the entertainment factor and tacos.

 

[Signal30]

I assume I am attracted to whatever makes me happy.

 

[Statistic]

OK...

So if I see a Chart on the Internet, I can Trust it to be reflective of what I buy from Any Vendor. As long as the Battery says AW IMR on it. And as long as it is Red.

No. That is not what I said. Please feel free to re-read my response that you quoted, if necessary.

 

[Crash Moses]

Intelligence and candor? "He don't know me very well....doo heee?"

You came off fine.

You both showed clear and intelligent thinking. However, I had to laugh because I was reminded of the "Chart Monkeys" on my flight sim forums arguing over flight models and whether or not a Mustang could really take out a Panzer.

I believe the real issue with SLR vaping isn't the educated experienced users but the inexperienced vaper wanting to emulate something they saw on a YouTube video.

The questions is...what do we do about it?