RANT - no one is doing anything to help themselves. Heads in the sand!!

[Steve803]

This is exactly why i have a tank of zero nic juice. I vape that most of the day and switch to my 18mg tanks when I need the nicotine.

speaking from personal experience:

I find that the higher the nicotine level and amount being vaped can significantly increase anxiety and increase heart rate... vaping too much nicotine can very possibly have you jumping out of your skin... be careful...

I started with 24mg to help me quit smoking but reduced mine to 18mg after a couple of months and now I vape that all day everyday. I was a 1 to 2 ppd smoker for 37years so it's not like I'm going to just stop completely or drop down to a lower level bc I'm worried about the nicotine. The higher levels did give me headaches but now that I'm at 18mg I don't have a problem. When I'm ready to reduce to a lower level I will, but I'm not heading there right away.

 

[ch2468]

What is wrong with people?

And you should be ashamed.

I'm just one person, from a city of ~500K people, all of whom are non-vapers or closet-vapers... From another country. I can't even fight legislation in my city, let alone from a country I don't live in. I do feel bad for what happened in the Duluth, as well as the EU, but what can I do when I can't even convince local people that vaping is better for them than smoking?

 

[sgenn99]

I think the best thing for us as a community is to educate. I have turned a lot of people off of cigs and on to vaping, and I give away starter kits to those that are interested (god bless ft and their cheap prices.)
I don't vape anywhere I wouldn't smoke, because there is nothing worse than being that guy or girl in the checkout line at Walmart, blowing vapor and telling everyone that it's "just water vapor". I hate that almost as much as the misleading news articles that claim e juice had embalming fluid or whatever in it. We need to be better than that right now, because a lot of people get freaked out by what they don't know.

 

[tinkrrrbell]

but seriously,,,,,,if you think the govt in the US is in control of every aspect of our lives, you haven't lived in a place where the govt truly IS controlling every aspect of our lives.

With all due respect to the truly oppressed people in this world, that's hardly a justification for allowing one's own government to take more control without just cause. We're suffering less, so we should be okay with our liberty being chipped away at?

 

[Ken_A]

I'm absolutely sure that asking a pair of 12 year olds running a lemonade stand for their papers is a bit out of control,,,,,,

but seriously,,,,,,if you think the govt in the US is in control of every aspect of our lives, you haven't lived in a place where the govt truly IS controlling every aspect of our lives.

AND, IMHO, all parties want to control our lives,,,,,,,,,they claim to want small govt,,,,,,but what they want is BIG GOVT for THEIR issues.

With all due respect to the truly oppressed people in this world, that's hardly a justification for allowing one's own government to take more control without just cause. We're suffering less, so we should be okay with our liberty being chipped away at?

And to add my ... How do you think that governments GET total control....
"Well, that's not too bad and I'm only loosing a little freedom"
Can if you are not careful become
"Oh, sure.. I guess that the stuff I worked for my whole life should go to someone who deserves it more..."
And in extreme cases
"Relocation camp? Well... If its for the good of all..."

And I really don't want to go even to the FIRST statement! Don't get me started on the other two.

 

[DC2]

The destruction of what is right and good can only happen slowly, drop by drop.

 

[patkin]

but seriously,,,,,,if you think the govt in the US is in control of every aspect of our lives, you haven't lived in a place where the govt truly IS controlling every aspect of our lives.

Bravo to those who think they are because without those attitudes we're all closer to being doomed to a future in a place where they actually do. Our forefathers escaped what they perceived as exactly that when they came here. I'm waiting for the youth to get their backs up the same way when they see the consequences of what life with their hand out to the government brings along with it.

 

[Uncle Willie]

The "forefathers" regularly comes up on ECF and I always get a chuckle out of it .. as a guy that has studied History for my entire life ..

The Constitution is, first and foremost, a grant of power to the federal government.

The Constitution gives Congress an impressive list of powers. The list includes the well-known powers to “regulate Commerce . . . among the several states” and to collect taxes to provide for “the general Welfare of the United States.” and more .. On top of that, Congress can make laws that don’t fall within this list of powers but are “necessary and proper” to carry them out.

Those are the "forefathers" ..

 

[DC2]

The "forefathers" regularly comes up on ECF and I always get a chuckle out of it .. as a guy that has studied History for my entire life ..

The Constitution is, first and foremost, a grant of power to the federal government.

The Constitution gives Congress an impressive list of powers. The list includes the well-known powers to “regulate Commerce . . . among the several states” and to collect taxes to provide for “the general Welfare of the United States.” and more .. On top of that, Congress can make laws that don’t fall within this list of powers but are “necessary and proper” to carry them out.

Those are the "forefathers" ..

So you're saying Congress is the problem?
Or are you saying the two-party system is the problem?

That last one was my personal contribution to the discussion.


There IS a problem right?

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

So you're saying Congress is the problem?
Or are you saying the two-party system is the problem?

That last one was my personal contribution to the discussion.


There IS a problem right?

I think what he's saying is when people romanticize the founding of this country as having been a fist-pumping call to personal freedoms, with the "founding fathers" as the evidence, they're actually pointing to a body that announced a system of control, pretty much first thing.

 

[Steve803]

So you're saying Congress is the problem?
Or are you saying the two-party system is the problem?

That last one was my personal contribution to the discussion.


There IS a problem right?

I didn't get that out of what he said. I think we all have an understanding of what our country is and how it is supposed to operate even if we're totally wrong about it. I'm no scholar on this so I'm not going to argue the point for Willie, but I do know I'm as clueless as most people who claim they know what the original plans were for the country and where we are today.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I think what he's saying is when people romanticize the founding of this country as having been a fist-pumping call to personal freedoms, with the "founding fathers" as the evidence, they're actually pointing to a body that announced a system of control, pretty much first thing.

Pretty much .. within the context of post #227 by patkin .. in many cases, the true and documented history is clouded by romantic visions given to us thru textbooks and teachers ..

Make no mistake, the "forefathers" were an opportunistic bunch that, as the Constitution developed, would have had Grover Norquist ready to scream NO WAY ..

Many like to fantasize that we were a rag tag bunch of free thinking folks that wanted a Society free from control .. yet one of the first acts was a sweeping grant of power to the Government .. and I believe they did the right thing .. in order to have the Society we have today .. these people were very, very intelligent and "fore-THINKERS" IMO more than "forefathers" ..

 

[DC2]

I think what he's saying is when people romanticize the founding of this country as having been a fist-pumping call to personal freedoms, with the "founding fathers" as the evidence, they're actually pointing to a body that announced a system of control, pretty much first thing.

Holy Crap, you understand him!

I've been trying to understand him for years and I'm just starting to get it.
But you were right on it.


I'm not saying that understanding him makes me agree with him.
But at least now I can digest what he's saying.

 

[tinkrrrbell]

Not a history scholar here by any means, but I don't personally feel the realization that the colonies were stronger together than apart and the resulting changes in how the new "union" would be governed takes away from the spirit of liberty.

What does take away from liberty? The thought process that government should provide anything more than basic infrastructure and protection of our property and liberty from infractions perpetrated by others.

 

[Ken_A]

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

Thomas Jefferson

So... question to the people who think if they do anything it will fail... what are you doing to help yourself?