RANT - no one is doing anything to help themselves. Heads in the sand!!

[Uncle Willie]

In June 2006, the Surgeon General of the United States released a report detailing all of the ways that secondhand smoke constitutes a major health hazard .. if you had already been invested in your job for a number of years prior to that, the damage could have easily been done ..

 

[CommaHolly]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree,,,,,,

I think a person should have the right to clean air in the work environment. If they wash windows, they deserve at least BASIC safety equipment to lower the risks substantially,,,,,,,,,,,,,

and yes, I think cops are ENTITLED to bullet proof vests,,,,,,,,

but I'm a liberal like that.

 

[Uma]

Bad press gives a chance for the good people like here and Dr.Michael (NOT Marc) Seigel to straighten them out in the interviews and comments section. More and more facts are being put out there. Links to the Drexel study, links to Dr.Farsalinos reports and studies, FDA studies on nicotine, CBS reports on nicotine & Alzheimer's, etc... EKellar, Vill Godshall, ToddRick, Julie, Carlphillips, Robim, OMG, we are rocking the house guys and gals. They can't be everywhere at once, like the bad guys can, they need our help at all times!! Never give up! Only losers give up, and we are NOT Loosers!!!!!!!!!!!!

Btw, the best part? Every time the bad guys open their mouths, the higher and stinkies their manure piles. They are smothering themselves. Check out Glantz last show. For Heavens sakes, he was telling the audience it's better to smoke your brains out than to cut down to a few a day. What person in their right mind is going to take him serious? Someone on his payroll maybe.

I don't know about you, but I'm going to complain to all the senators on the daily plan about how Glantz suggests I go back to smoking full time when I slip up. Glantz suggests that 1500 smokes a month is so much better and healthier than 4 smokes a month and 1496 vapes.

Speaking of which, here is today's Daily Plan. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-vape-daily-action-plan-friday-9-13-13-a.html

 

[Ameera]

I haven't had time to read through this whole thread but there were plenty of people and organizations speaking on "our" behalf regarding the Duluth issue.. one such is..
https://www.facebook.com/groups/MNVapersAdvocacy/
BUT even if I had driven the four hours to Duluth for this meeting, with my family in tow to attest to how proud they are of my quitting smoking, which no one ever thought would happen.. wouldn't have made a BIT of difference, I live in a county half the state away! Government will always have their own agenda regardless of it's affects of it's people. Sorry if that seems jaded but in this case, the ruling is purely one sided, with no regards to those in Duluth who will now have to really fight for their right to vape.. in secret of course. GGRRRRRRR.. makes me angry.

Furthermore.. now the regulations are putting us, ex-smokers BACK in harm's way by being required to vape with the smokers... breathing in all those carcinogens in second hand smoke... oh.. that makes sense. I think if this is going to be the case.. we vapers need to fight for our right for clean air, as well. I don't want to be forced to stand outside with a bunch of smokers, NO OFFENSE (but I am proud that I don't smell like that anymore and like staying that way), that is why smokers have their "sections". GOD makes no sense to me!!! Let's just make sure that all the ex-smokers are still hanging out with the smokers.. who knows.. maybe they will pick it back up again! Actually, more smokers will be turned onto vaping just by seeing it and asking questions.. but all in all I think it is an infraction of justice. If it comes down to it, I will more than likely just head to the bathroom and chain vape a bit and call it good.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Scroll down a bit and see which party gets the majority of money from tobacco companies.


Tobacco | OpenSecrets

Next, find me 3 Republicans who are behind anti vaping legislation.

It is a party 'thing'.

So what you're saying is that we should -- nay, we must -- completely change our political affiliation...for vapes.

Uh, no.

Sorry, folks, carry on...

 

[BigBen2k]

I looked at that list; the top 5 recipients were Rep... oh never mind; no need to open up this can of worms.

 

[Ken_A]

No. There is no need to devolve this into a political debate. My original point stands. People feel that vaping is going to loose, so they do not want to stick up for themselves.

Therefore, we will loose because apathy always wins the day for the other side. Deluth vapers lost because most of them didn't try. If it happens where I live, I'm going to try. It would be nice if I knew I would have backup. Even if it's a tweet from across the world saying that vaping is good... From 1000 people.

I have an advantage. Where I live is a tourist area. So a lot of messages saying that you will deny the area revenue will probably work wonders. But how can we stop these other places?

By being heard.

 

[xxThr4sh3rxx]

I support CASAA! I also support all you vapers recruiting your smoker buddies . I have recruited 6 people so far to vaping, and everytime I always made sure they knew what they were paying for, how to use it clean it blah blah blah. AND most importantly, I gave them at least a 30 minute lecture on everything they need to know and also which vendors (in Canada) have good prices and good joose.

The more vapers who are EDUCATED on the subject we have on our side, the more support our community has. I have been vaping for 9 months and have dedicated hours and hours of research so that I can properly introduce the product to people who have NO IDEA what it is I'm "smoking". Here in Canada, PV's are not as common as in the US and the community is waaay smaller (I know 8 people in real life that vape) and this makes it even more difficult for people to be open minded about it. I get the strangest looks sometimes when I go outside to the smoke pit for a fresh air break.

I'm not really allowed to publically protest, but if my town was to ban vaping I'd be pretty dam tempted to do it anyways...

 

[InTheClouds]

This site is huge, I was not aware of the daily action plan. Thank you for bringing it to may attention, it will now be a daily for me. 3 months and I am still learning and finding new things here.

 

[Ken_A]

This site is huge, I was not aware of the daily action plan. Thank you for bringing it to may attention, it will now be a daily for me. 3 months and I am still learning and finding new things here.

Thank YOU!!

And you may also want to join CASAA


CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

They do quite a bit of good and you can always rely on their responses.

 

[stevegmu]

So what you're saying is that we should -- nay, we must -- completely change our political affiliation...for vapes.

Uh, no.

Sorry, folks, carry on...

No, just stop complaining when the ones you vote for take away your 'rights.'

 

[Mrs. G]

Hmmm. Well, I read the daily action plan and do my part when it come to that and other vape legislation things NOT listed in a given day's plan. I don't post "done" or "did it". Many of us don't. Several members have brought up the fact that many of the calls for action pertain to people LIVING in a particular area or town. If you aren't a resident, you have no say in the meetings. I understand your frustration but, before lashing out at fellow vapers maybe that should have been considered. Yes, your post did irritate me but not for the reasons you intended, and yes, you did intend to irritate. It irritated me because of the assumptions made and the whole intent to shame others that you perceived to be doing "less than you are". We, as vapers, have enough stacked against us. Be it big tobacco or political parties or aliens, we have those with a great deal of power standing squarely in our way daring us to move them. Move them? We will if we stand together and encourage each other instead of pointing fingers, blaming, and accusing each other of a perceived wrong.
We all need to take a stand. We just don't all take that stand in the same way. While we need to come together as a group we also need to realize that this group is made up of individuals with different ideas and ideals. Some of us will write emails and letters and tweet until our fingers bleed while others who wouldn't do that will gladly attend meetings or protests. It takes all kinds. It takes multiple ways to get our message across. Heads in the sand? I don't think so. Not for as many as you may believe. If you follow the results and the stats as to how many tweets or emails go out and then add them to the stats for how many people go to town hall meetings and support lobbyists then add that number to the number of people who post youtube videos to get the word out, write blogs... the numbers add up. Do I think we have done enough yet? No. I just don't think we need to turn on each other.
Honestly, that's what THEY (whomever you believe THEY is, big tobacco, pharmaceuticals, political parties, aliens, or gremlins) want to see.
That's my 3 1/2 cents.

 

[CommaHolly]

No, just stop complaining when the ones you vote for take away your 'rights.'

sorry, not a single issue voter.

There are other issues that scare the crap out of me far more than someone taking my RIGHT to vape in a restaurant away.

Having said that,,,,,,,,,I don't believe or agree with every single thing my party says or does,,,,,,,and I'll still continue to fight for my rights to vape.

 

[BigBen2k]

In some way, I'm glad that officials in my state are taking on the issue, and I'm glad about the responses we've been able to give them. It's been successful, so far. The system works.

Now it's late, so I'm going to throw a cheap shot: at least e-cigs weren't outright banned, as part of a "motorcycle safety" bill, in some mysterious late night session...

(sorry Mrs G )

 

[kittybite]

Gonna throw my into the hat because that's what forums are for! As someone who is a member of a minority group that's recently experienced quite a few gains on the rights front, I would say the single most important thing we as a vaping community can do is be SEEN. Let your friends, neighbors and acquaintances know what vaping really looks like instead of letting the media shape their opinions. This might seem like an insignificant thing, but it makes a mountain of difference. Seriously. I would be surprised if there are very many people in this country who didn't have a smoker in their life they cared about. If that smoker knew about the alternatives out there, because you were vocal about vaping to their friend or loved one, it would make a huge difference in their life.

Two weeks before I bought my first ecig, I ran into two separate vapers in a local gaming group using Mods and didn't have a clue what they were doing (my first thought was that it was pot, but this is Portland so you never know). I'm a fairly savvy person in some respects, so I'm surprised that I had never run across an eGo or mod setup before - Blus were the only ecigs I had heard of. People don't know this stuff exists (including me!) until WE educate them. Regardless of what your action plan is or will be, make sure everyone you know sees and understands why you are vaping! We're not going make everyone an advocate, but we can put it into context for non-smokers who would otherwise be clueless.

 

[Steve803]

People don't know this stuff exists (including me!) until WE educate them. Regardless of what your action plan is or will be, make sure everyone you know sees and understands why you are vaping! We're not going make everyone an advocate, but we can put it into context for non-smokers who would otherwise be clueless.

This is an excellent point and I couldn't agree more. I am very public with my vaping. I travel for work and don't hide what I'm doing. Ignorance is breading fear and I explain whenever someone asks me what I'm doing or has a comment to make about it.

I have already contacted all my local representatives, both Dem's and Rep's in support of vaping. We all need to do whatever we can to not have our rights taken away, but it is up to the local people to represent themselves. In my frustration over the Duluth vote, I sent an email to the American Cancer Society and posted on their Facebook page my feelings about how they are obstructing a harm reduction device that has helped, IMO, way more people to quit smoking then the patch ever has. Just about every day I am sharing posts on my Facebook page from CASAA and my preferred vendor about the struggles we're having. I also make comments on the media articles that are about e-cig's good and bad...especially the bad ones. You would not believe what some of the nay sayers have to say about us. &%@@!!! it sure makes me made.

Something else we all can do is join the CASAA and fill out the survey and share your story so we can stand together and fight this ignorance that is attacking the only thing that many of us have ever used to successfully quit and remain off tobacco. See my signature below and click on the link to join today. The CASAA is our group, our lobbyist and they are working as hard as they can to support us and our new way of life...tobacco free.

 

[Butters78]

Nevermind.....

 

[Steve803]

Great tie-in Butters.

 

[Butters78]

Great tie-in Butters.

Lol I posted in the wrong thread.

 

[Steve803]

No, just stop complaining when the ones you vote for take away your 'rights.'

IMO....I really don't think there should be a political party argument here. There are both Dem's and Rep's that oppose and support vaping. From reading many of the articles and comments under the articles, I believe our opponents fit into a few classifications that are governing their attitudes and votes. All the vaper's I know personally cover the entire cross section of the political spectrum. From ultra conservative to mainstream liberals. There is no niche side that fits into that argument, how could it be, just read the posts here on the forum. The vaper's demographic is the entire country and we are all affected by this ignorance to ban us and our choices.

I think we have some law makers that are being bought. By whom? Big tobacco, Pharma, the health industry...these are all the groups that would lose huge amounts of profit if they don't have smokers to fill their pockets with our cash.

What about all the revenues lost by the taxes we no longer pay. Here's a link to the list of Florida county tax revenues earned from alcohol and tobacco. States profiting the most from sin | WESH Home - News Considering how it seems all of our communities are struggling with revenue loss this could be a undisclosed reason for trying to keep us all on tobacco.

What about the personal reasons like people that have lost a family member and are now pushing to save everybody's lives. Even though it's none of their @@!! business what we choose to do they are just as passionate about their cause as we are about ours'.

I find this finger pointing at any political party just trolling for an argument and making people feel alienated from the community as a whole. The actions being taken against us affects us all. Live and let live...not...do as I say not as I do.